Based on what I've heard - and a little bit of my own experience! - I'd say that stamblades are still in a good position. They have very high burst DPS, and if done right can be a beast for 1vX situations. However, they do tend to be squishier and easier to kill compared to the other classes, due to, as you said, their lack of Major Mending.

Stamblades are in the weakest state since about 2 years or so for the following reasons,

1. Cloak is practically useless
2. No major mending or shields or both (hello stam dk's....)
3. Everyone is wearing heavy
4. Poisons make 1vx impossible
5. Good players know how to block, use magelight and cc.

Only novice players are calling for a nerf because they get hit with Incap Strike wearing no impen and not blocking. Don't listen to these players they don't know what they are doing. Against good players it's a one trick pony that rarely works.

The only real viable build right now is to spec bow/snipe heavy, which is a lame, go full glass cannon and eat dirt a lot, or be a fear bot.

For stam class going 1v1 its the worst class right now behind stam sorc, stam dk and stam temp.

Stam blade is ridicliously good.

The only people who tell you otherwise are trying their absolute hardest to keep it from the nerf hammer of dreams.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Best for ganking.
3rd for solo roaming and scouting. (Behind magicka nightblades and stamina sorcerers)
5th for open world fighting. (Behind other the stamina variants and magicka templar)
7/8th for dueling. (Last along with magicka nightblades)

Stamblade drastically out performs magblade in solo situations, better burst, healing, sustain, defense, and mobility

You're nuts. Stamblade is literally the hard counter to magplar, but you think magplar is superior?

Furthermore, in a duel situation, stamblade is incredibly strong, you don't need to build sustain into stamblade dueling builds because of siphoning attacks and you have all the tools to counter any type of build.

Honestly, Stamblade is super under-rated. Behind Stam sorc and DK for sure, but about even with stamplar and significantly above magplar, imo.

Stamina Nightblades are the hard counters of Magicka Templars, true, but for open world, survivability is king. You are invoking the "Paper says rocks are balanced but scissors are OP argument here". In open world, you can see 22k Magicka Templars, facetank zergs. Show me a stamina nightblade who can do it. Magicka Templars are the stronger class overall, but stamina nightblades can kill them due to their natural counter mechanics to templar skills.

Stamina Templars get Major Mending and an easy purge, which makes them the choice of nearly every 1vXer out there, not to mention extra weapon damage.

Funfact: A Stamina Nightblade never won any major community arranged duel competition. They are the only class who haven't. Why? The answer is simple. Duels need you to be able to reset battles at will, something that needs good healing. You can't get a stealth advantage in duels. Siphoning Attacks is not as reliable on a stamina nightblade as on a magicka nightblade, due to close range of melee attacks (same reason why hardly any Stamina NBs use Assassin's Will). Sure, I can beat most players on my Stamina Nightblade, if I know the person's builds in advance and specifically play a counter-build. But in case of two equally players, one on a Stamina Nightblade and the other on any other class, the odds are with the other player.

susmitds wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Best for ganking.
3rd for solo roaming and scouting. (Behind magicka nightblades and stamina sorcerers)
5th for open world fighting. (Behind other the stamina variants and magicka templar)
7/8th for dueling. (Last along with magicka nightblades)

Stamblade drastically out performs magblade in solo situations, better burst, healing, sustain, defense, and mobility

You're nuts. Stamblade is literally the hard counter to magplar, but you think magplar is superior?

Furthermore, in a duel situation, stamblade is incredibly strong, you don't need to build sustain into stamblade dueling builds because of siphoning attacks and you have all the tools to counter any type of build.

Honestly, Stamblade is super under-rated. Behind Stam sorc and DK for sure, but about even with stamplar and significantly above magplar, imo.

Stamina Nightblades are the hard counters of Magicka Templars, true, but for open world, survivability is king. You are invoking the "Paper says rocks are balanced but scissors are OP argument here". In open world, you can see 22k Magicka Templars, facetank zergs. Show me a stamina nightblade who can do it. Magicka Templars are the stronger class overall, but stamina nightblades can kill them due to their natural counter mechanics to templar skills.

Stamina Templars get Major Mending and an easy purge, which makes them the choice of nearly every 1vXer out there, not to mention extra weapon damage.

Funfact: A Stamina Nightblade never won any major community arranged duel competition. They are the only class who haven't. Why? The answer is simple. Duels need you to be able to reset battles at will, something that needs good healing. You can't get a stealth advantage in duels. Siphoning Attacks is not as reliable on a stamina nightblade as on a magicka nightblade, due to close range of melee attacks (same reason why hardly any Stamina NBs use Assassin's Will). Sure, I can beat most players on my Stamina Nightblade, if I know the person's builds in advance and specifically play a counter-build. But in case of two equally players, one on a Stamina Nightblade and the other on any other class, the odds are with the other player.

They're underrated- squishy sure, but not useless by far, and I think susmitds has a great point. It's not a class that is built to charge into duels, but one that requires you to think a little more about how to approach each situation you may encounter due to your limited resources.

Stamblade(in medium armor) used to be good before they changed battlesprit and you could reliably burst someone down. Now you cant burst unless they have 20k hp or less and aint in heavy armor. Stamblade is still ok, but the lack of major mending and other means to keep being abit more tanky makes them as ppl mention here, quite squishy.

Medium Armour nb lost a lot of power once cloak lost purge. Now most dueling nbs i see are building wanna-be heavy sustain s+b dk builds.

Stamina NB is probably the worst stamina dueling class. StamSorc Hurricane destroys any chance to cloak, templars got mad heals and purge... dks got mad heals and shields.

Sure they can win duels as a wanna-be dk build but its not the same running medium with cloak in duels.

My open world potenail is crazy strong though. Probably one of the strongest spec's for roaming. Group play is the weakest of all stamina classes imo.

Stamina Nightblades used to be fire in duels but now theres to much pressure in medium armour. Heavy arnour nbs are wanna-be dks they dont count.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Stam blade is ridicliously good.

The only people who tell you otherwise are trying their absolute hardest to keep it from the nerf hammer of dreams.

Pretty much this. Because if it wasn't so good, there would be far less of them. The majority of people in PVP wouldn't be a StamBlade. Kind of like how MagDK isn't so good, and therefore you seldomly see them. And yet, people will tell you how Stamblades are so 'weak'. People will say how the class lacks so much in all these different areas, meanwhile continue to play them and encourage others to.

It's amazing how many people just won't pause, and look at things from a logical point-of-view. And see whether or not what people say makes sense. They'd rather bandwagon and play "Follow the Leader", more so than say, "Hey, if something is so bad... Why is it that so many threads keep popping up about them doing so well? Why do so many people use them?"

The most played class in cyrodiil right now is magicka Templar by far and no one is even close, and it's almost even between stam dk and stamblade right now. a couple updateds ago I would've agreed with you but stamblades are dying out. The reason is everyone is wearing heavy armor. Usually the nerf nightblade threads are just bad players with bad builds honestly, because if I main a magblade and don't have these problems with stamblades it should be no reason anyone else does. If played right it can be a killing machine, but so can any other class. I personally think stam Templar is the best class. They are so underrated and I don't know why

PurifedBladez wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Stam blade is ridicliously good.

The only people who tell you otherwise are trying their absolute hardest to keep it from the nerf hammer of dreams.

Really lol? How would you nerf them?

1. Remove the stun from Incap and raise the raise the ultimate cost.

That's just for starters.

acw37162 wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Stam blade is ridicliously good.

The only people who tell you otherwise are trying their absolute hardest to keep it from the nerf hammer of dreams.

Really lol? How would you nerf them?

1. Remove the stun from Incap and raise the raise the ultimate cost.

That's just for starters.

Remove the stun I agree with, but why would you nerf nightblades when there are better classes usually middle of the pack classes don't get nerfed.

another PVP thread has wandered away from its home

All they need to do is increase the cost of cloak with each use like they did with streak, sort out the CC from fear and increase the cost or reduce the damage from incap strike.