Undaunted Plunder will make people rich quickly?

Dragonnord · September 2016

I may be wrong but, on quick thinking, will Undaunted Plunder make people rich very, very fast?

1k per item? How many you can get after finishing a run if each boss you defeat increases drop amount?

Let's say first boss drops 1 plunder item, second boss 2, third boss 3 and fourth boss 4, being that 10 items, so 10k minimum (if not more). So 10 runs a day would be 100k? So in a few weeks you can have millions?

Is it just like that or am I missing something?

Thanks.

strikeback1247 · September 2016

Think of all the gold that will be pumped into the economy... 12 players per trial run getting 10k gold minimum each. The economy will get wrecked after a while. ZoS needs to addres this.

xblackroxe · September 2016

True on one side that gold is pumped in the system. The problem though is this money wont really stay with the vet trial runners. Usually we do 3-5 vet trial clears with hm a raidday of 3 hours. In that time everybody uses ~200 potions + repair costs which normally totals in about 40-45k an evening in expenses. If i get no sets to sell from there we'll all be poor in a matter of weeks.

So we trial runners definitely need something to keep the money running but I'll give you that this is not that good of an idea to solve this issue.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

I think (while not having hard data to back it up) that the population running vet trials is very minimal compared to the overall population in the game. Money injected into the game via stealing/murdering and fencing items is far more significant than money injected via trial raiding.
Besides, running vet trials (remember we cannot "scale" them anymore, so it's not like we can work around the systems and make runs easier by setting the instances at "CP10" level) requires skills, potions and time. So I think people will run them for fun and achievement, not for profit. If it comes to profit, other activities are more efficient per hour.

@CarbonX : yes you're missing the fact that running a vet trial lasts about an hour for excellent players and several hours for more average players - provided they can do it at all. And it costs potions. So having groups doing this 10 times a day is not really a realistic hypothesis.

Bigevilpeter · September 2016

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Trash pots don't give raiders what they need (major sorcery/major brutality).
It's you who make no sense, @Bigevilpeter . Either many people can complete the vet trial and yes, that will cause inflation, or people cannot complete them and there's no issue at all. But not both.

xblackroxe · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Oh come on if you run vet trials you can´t be that cheap and not run weapon/spell power pots. As I´m 90% of the time magicka as most of the top guilds people are you look at 38-40k alone from pots. Whipe a bit and you´ll be up there at 45k fast/go a bit longer and run 250-300 Pots.

Alucardo · September 2016

1k per item will make you rich quickly? Remember when you could sell items for 15-150k each in guild stores? I really wish they'd add better ways to make money in PVP. It didn't bother me that much before because I could just buy my gear from PVErs running the dungeons/trials, but now I have to go out and get it myself. I feel like the old method was much better. You guys would make gold doing something you enjoy and selling items you didn't want, and PVPers would buy them and continue doing what they enjoy.
Once update 12 hits, everyone will be grinding for overland sets and running dungeons. Cyrodiil gonna be dead yo.

Bigevilpeter · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Trash pots don't give raiders what they need (major sorcery/major brutality).
It's you who make no sense, @Bigevilpeter . Either many people can complete the vet trial and yes, that will cause inflation, or people cannot complete them and there's no issue at all. But not both.

It will make a huge gap in the economy. those who can do vet trials and have good groups will be very rich and those who can't will be very poor compared to them.

Price inflation will happen and the rich few will be the only ones who have access to the good gear and yellow mats.

Also for major brutalilty and sorcery all is need is one guy with motlen weapons

xblackroxe · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Trash pots don't give raiders what they need (major sorcery/major brutality).
It's you who make no sense, @Bigevilpeter . Either many people can complete the vet trial and yes, that will cause inflation, or people cannot complete them and there's no issue at all. But not both.

It will make a huge gap in the economy. those who can do vet trials and have good groups will be very rich and those who can't will be very poor compared to them.

Price inflation will happen and the rich few will be the only ones who have access to the good gear and yellow mats

That not true. If its really ~10k per run. If i use about 40-50 pots a run thats like a plus of 500-1k g per run. Thats nothing. Vet Trial runners wont get rich. People selling pots and stuff will just get even richer.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

It will make a huge gap in the economy. those who can do vet trials and have good groups will be very rich and those who can't will be very poor compared to them.

Price inflation will happen and the rich few will be the only ones who have access to the good gear and yellow mats.

Also for major brutalilty and sorcvery all is need is noe guy with motlen weapons

No. The ones who can be rich are not the raiders, but the ones selling the potions / ingredients to them. And that can be ANYONE ready to farm the flowers.

Yes vet trial raiders will have access to good trial gear. That's the whole point. But there's good gear outside of trial gear, crafted or BoE.

If you know of a way to get major sorcery or major sorcery without potion and without sacrificing a damage slot, please let us know, I think most raiders will be very interested in hearing this. What are those "motlen weapons" you talk about ???

Dragonnord · September 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

1k per item will make you rich quickly?...

Have you read the part where it says?...

"First boss drops 1 plunder item, second boss 2, third boss 3 and fourth boss 4, being that 10 items, so 10k minimum (if not more). So 10 runs a day would be 100k."

So, in 10 days you would have 1 million, in 30 days 3 million gold, and so...

Bigevilpeter · September 2016

xblackroxe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Trash pots don't give raiders what they need (major sorcery/major brutality).
It's you who make no sense, @Bigevilpeter . Either many people can complete the vet trial and yes, that will cause inflation, or people cannot complete them and there's no issue at all. But not both.

It will make a huge gap in the economy. those who can do vet trials and have good groups will be very rich and those who can't will be very poor compared to them.

Price inflation will happen and the rich few will be the only ones who have access to the good gear and yellow mats

That not true. If its really ~10k per run. If i use about 40-50 pots a run thats like a plus of 500-1k g per run. Thats nothing. Vet Trial runners wont get rich. People selling pots and stuff will just get even richer.

Its not 10k per run, its almost 10k per boss, maybe a little less, but still

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its not 10k per run, its almost 10k per boss, maybe a little less, but still

Your math is simply wrong.

Wollust · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

you need 40-45k expenses why the heck?? unless you keep wiping you won't repair that much and as far as potions go,use normal trash potions you don't have to use the most OP potions in the game. it will cost you nothing. What you said doesnt make any sense.

But now its too much incentive to play vet trials and most people will just suck hard on them so they can't get that gold and economy will be so messed up

Trash pots don't give raiders what they need (major sorcery/major brutality).
It's you who make no sense, @Bigevilpeter . Either many people can complete the vet trial and yes, that will cause inflation, or people cannot complete them and there's no issue at all. But not both.

It will make a huge gap in the economy. those who can do vet trials and have good groups will be very rich and those who can't will be very poor compared to them.

Price inflation will happen and the rich few will be the only ones who have access to the good gear and yellow mats

That not true. If its really ~10k per run. If i use about 40-50 pots a run thats like a plus of 500-1k g per run. Thats nothing. Vet Trial runners wont get rich. People selling pots and stuff will just get even richer.

Its not 10k per run, its almost 10k per boss, maybe a little less, but still

You're wrong, as usual.

Dragonnord · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

If you know of a way to get major sorcery or major sorcery without potion and without sacrificing a damage slot, please let us know, I think most raiders will be very interested in hearing this. What are those "motlen weapons" you talk about ???

If I will farm the trial for gold I won't use any expensive potions, because I don't care the boss taking 2 or 3 more minutes to be killed.

So, I would definitely sacrifice a slot in my rotation.

I prefer the trial taking 10 more minutes than spending 45k on potions if I'm on the trial to farm plunder/gold.

Carbonised · September 2016

Well if you think flowers and pots are expensive now, just wait till after the patch.

I sure as heck am gonna sell my plants for even higher amounts, now that trial runners are having an easy and steady supply of gold.

Bigevilpeter · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

If you know of a way to get major sorcery or major sorcery without potion and without sacrificing a damage slot, please let us know, I think most raiders will be very interested in hearing this. What are those "motlen weapons" you talk about ???

If I will farm the trial for gold I won't use use any expensive potions, because I don't care the boss taking 2 or 3 more minutes to be killed.

So, I would definitely sacrifice a slot in my rotation.

I prefer the trial taking 10 more minutes than spending 45k on potions if I'm on the trial to farm plunder/gold.

Lol all the whole party needs to do is let the tank use molten weapons and all the team gets major brutality and sorcery

KingYogi415 · September 2016

You can make 2-4 times that an hour farming mats.

A vet trial run can easily take 2 hours with a new group. This 10k a run is bull and doesn't even cover the cost of pots.

We need at least 1 boe set, or a rare costume/mount/hat with a very low drop rate to keep end-gameplayers interested.

By removing all BOE from end-game PVE zos is defficating all over their most loyal players.

Sharee · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

I may be wrong but, on quick thinking, will Undaunted Plunder make people rich very, very fast?

1k per item? How many you can get after finishing a run if each boss you defeat increases drop amount?

Let's say first boss drops 1 plunder item, second boss 2, third boss 3 and fourth boss 4, being that 10 items, so 10k minimum (if not more). So 10 runs a day would be 100k? So in a few weeks you can have millions?

Is it just like that or am I missing something?

Thanks.

How long does a run take? I can do Bruma dailies in about 30-45 minutes, and get about 4-5K out of it. If the Undaunted run takes twice as long, then the income is comparable. Granted i can only do this once per day, but there are other ways of getting money solo as well.

I've seen columbine being sold for 1K a piece before... but let's say it goes for 500. If i can find 20 columbines in the time these guy take to run a trial(and i think that's a reasonable assumption) then we'll break even too.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

If you know of a way to get major sorcery or major sorcery without potion and without sacrificing a damage slot, please let us know, I think most raiders will be very interested in hearing this. What are those "motlen weapons" you talk about ???

If I will farm the trial for gold I won't use use any expensive potions, because I don't care the boss taking 2 or 3 more minutes to be killed.

So, I would definitely sacrifice a slot in my rotation.

I prefer the trial taking 10 more minutes than spending 45k on potions if I'm on the trial to farm plunder/gold.

Well, I'm not experienced enough in vet trial to say whether that's doable or not, but if 12 people use a less efficient rotation it might lead to a significant DPS loss and current strats would require adjustment ?

Besides, you talk about "farming trials for gold". Who's got time to run 10 vet trials a day ? Remember a run is about an hour for a good group.

I'm confident that farming trials for gold won't become a big issue because, as I already mentioned, there are more effective use of your time if your goal is gold.

SirTreb · September 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Its not 10k per run, its almost 10k per boss, maybe a little less, but still

If items dropped are BOP, it will not be 10k per boss per player.

Dragonnord · September 2016

Come on guys! A vet trial doesn't take far more than 1 hour, unless, honestly, your group is not good at all or don't know what they're doing.

vSO and vAA take 1 hour +/-, and vHRC takes 30-35 mins the most.

I'm taking about prople that run trials, not pick up groups that take 2, 3 or 4 hours to kill four bosses.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

Come on guys! A vet trial doesn't take far more than 1 hour, unless, honestly, your group is not good at all or don't know what they're doing.

vSO and vAA take 1 hour +/-, and vHRC takes 30-35 mins the most.

I'm taking about prople that run trials, not pick up groups that take 2, 3 or 4 hours to kill four bosses.

24 mins. I just took one of the first video it came for vHRC search in Youtube.

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LoL... and your "proof" is a video showing a vHRC run at Vet12 level. Well done.
For your information, vHRC has been revamped. Beating it at CP160 vet version is not a walk in the park anymore. That applies to all Craglorn trials.

Dragonnord · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Come on guys! A vet trial doesn't take far more than 1 hour, unless, honestly, your group is not good at all or don't know what they're doing.

vSO and vAA take 1 hour +/-, and vHRC takes 30-35 mins the most.

I'm taking about prople that run trials, not pick up groups that take 2, 3 or 4 hours to kill four bosses.

24 mins. I just took one of the first video it came for vHRC search in Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohF8taaUfs

LoL... and your "proof" is a video showing a vHRC run at Vet12 level. Well done.
For your information, vHRC has been revamped. Beating it at CP160 vet version is not a walk in the park anymore. That applies to all Craglorn trials.

I give you that one, didn't check the level because I run trials every week and I know the time taken.

For your information, I have completed all revamped vet trials, dozens of times, weekly.

Regardless the guild I go with, finishing vet trials take the times I mentioned above, unless your group is missing a lot of knowledge and skills.

Junipus · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

Come on guys! A vet trial doesn't take far more than 1 hour, unless, honestly, your group is not good at all or don't know what they're doing.

vSO and vAA take 1 hour +/-, and vHRC takes 30-35 mins the most.

I'm taking about prople that run trials, not pick up groups that take 2, 3 or 4 hours to kill four bosses.

24 mins. I just took one of the first video it came for vHRC search in Youtube.
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Edited for profanity

Despite this feeling so much like a troll thread I've had to come under a bridge to type this, your assumptions are so unrealistic as to be preposterous.

Taking into account your times above and some of the ridiculous maths in this thread, say someone does 10 runs of vHRC at 30 minutes each and uses no pots, that's still 5 hours of gaming resulting in 100k of gold. Doing vSO or vMOL would require 10 hours for 100k of gold. I'd seriously doubt, and doubt your seriousness, if you couldn't make more gold in 10 hours from crime sprees or farming materials to sell.

The whole concern and smelly nerf hammers in this thread is laughable at best and down right ignorant jealousy at worst.

Dragonnord · September 2016

Junipus wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

Come on guys! A vet trial doesn't take far more than 1 hour, unless, honestly, your group is not good at all or don't know what they're doing.

vSO and vAA take 1 hour +/-, and vHRC takes 30-35 mins the most.

I'm taking about prople that run trials, not pick up groups that take 2, 3 or 4 hours to kill four bosses.

24 mins. I just took one of the first video it came for vHRC search in Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohF8taaUfs

Despite this feeling so much like a troll thread I've had to come under a bridge to type this, your assumptions are so unrealistic as to be preposterous.

Taking into account your times above and some of the ridiculous maths in this thread, say someone does 10 runs of vHRC at 30 minutes each and uses no pots, that's still 5 hours of gaming resulting in 100k of gold. Doing vSO or vMOL would require 10 hours for 100k of gold. I'd seriously doubt, and doubt your seriousness, if you couldn't make more gold in 10 hours from crime sprees or farming materials to sell.

The whole concern and smelly nerf hammers in this thread is laughable at best and down right ignorant jealousy at worst.

10 hours of crime spree? LOL!!! You can only sell a limited amount of stolen items per day dude!

And selling mats nowadays? really? No one buy mats anymore dude!

Don't try to be a god of knowledge here because you are just being ridiculous on your "teachings".

And log in to the game once at least please, since you obviously haven't for a long time.

PS4_ZeColmeia · September 2016

My only concern is that it is one sided on the economy. Trials should be profitable, but gold is inflation vs items which is exchange.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

CarbonX wrote: »

10 hours of crime spree? LOL!!! You can only sell a limited amount of stolen items per day dude!

You can fence over several days, that takes little time.
Also, there's no limit on how many chests you can break per day. There's always gold inside. 60-100 depending on the level of the chest. So yes, crime spree is a valid option for making gold.

CarbonX wrote: »

And selling mats nowadays? really? No one buy mats anymore dude!

Noone buys mats ? Then people buying columbine, lady's smock and every other plant in guild stores constantly are "noone". I sell mats all the time and they always go within 24 hours. Nothing sells better than mats.

Dragonnord · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

CarbonX wrote: »

10 hours of crime spree? LOL!!! You can only sell a limited amount of stolen items per day dude!

You can fence over several days, that takes little time.
Also, there's no limit on how many chests you can break per day. There's always gold inside. 60-100 depending on the level of the chest. So yes, crime spree is a valid option for making gold.

CarbonX wrote: »

And selling mats nowadays? really? No one buy mats anymore dude!

Noone buys mats ? Then people buying columbine, lady's smock and every other plant in guild stores constantly are "noone". I sell mats all the time and they always go within 24 hours. Nothing sells better than mats.

You really spend 10 hours a days running around looking for chests? You really think anyone does?

And honestly, how much gold you make per day with the mats thing?

I mean, be honest, you do it all the time as I read above, right? So, how much time you take per day to collect enough expensive plants to create and sell expensive potions.

After doing so, do you still have time to play the game?

KingYogi415 · September 2016

A stack of rough leather sells for 30k take about and hour to farm.

Killing people and farming their blood makes about 20k an hour.

Your welcome!

They put all our end-game drops into dolmens so casuals have a small chance at good items. And yet people still make threads like this.