Is it True? Craft Surveys Sending You Around Tamriel?

Conquistador · September 2016

If so, that is so STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID. What is ZoS' thinking on this? To make people quit the game?

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

outsideworld76 · September 2016

Well... it would not suprise me. They won't fix the lag either, so don't think they care about you, me or any other player. As long as people just pay for ESO+ everything is fine.

nine9six · September 2016

Yup. Sucks.

Unsent.Soul · September 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

magnusthorek · September 2016

Don't forget that EVERY ZONE will scale to your level so, if you're DC and get a Crafting Writ to Glenumbra, you won't evade or fight against monsters Level 5 -AND- the rewards of your Survey, if any, won't scale to zone's either, so you'll still find Ancestor Silk in that area

Sigtric · September 2016

Conquistador wrote: »

If so, that is so STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPID. What is ZoS' thinking on this? To make people quit the game?

Nestor · September 2016

I am going to have to quit stacking surveys then.....

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

I do them and stack them, just depends on how much time I have.

What if you get more mats for traveling? Would you still complain?

nine9six · September 2016

I'm going to stop doing Writs when the new update comes out. I'm not porting around the world for this.

WhiteMage · September 2016

What a weird thing to take issue over... Odds are you already took the nearest wayshrine to your node anyway. I don't see ANY difference.

nine9six · September 2016

Wayshrine within the same Zone? Fine.

TPing all across the world? Pass.

Unsent.Soul · September 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

I do them and stack them, just depends on how much time I have.

What if you get more mats for traveling? Would you still complain?

I never once complained... and why ask hypothetical questions? You WON'T get more mats so why ask?

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

I do them and stack them, just depends on how much time I have.

What if you get more mats for traveling? Would you still complain?

I never once complained... and why ask hypothetical questions? You WON'T get more mats so why ask?

Because people pick apart this game constantly. Just deal with it. Sorry you have to go through 1 more load screen to pick up your mats. I was asking that as a hypothetical question. Finding a way to "please" the wonderful gaming community while still having players out in the world.

Or not, and keep everything in one spot. Hey we can always see how much garrisons in WoW became. God forbid you have to move a little farther to pick something.

MasterSpatula · September 2016

nine9six wrote: »

I'm going to stop doing Writs when the new update comes out. I'm not porting around the world for this.

Agreed 100%. Between the ludicrous resource costs and just how laughably terrible the rewards are if you don't get a temper, survey, or page, Writs were only marginally worth doing anyway--and if ZOS hadn't nerfed the drop rates of tempers from hirelings into the ground when they introduced writs, they wouldn't be worth your time at all.

Add in a large time-consuming nuisance factor of running all over Tamriel for surveys, and writs have jumped completely over the line into "not worth it" territory.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

My question is, why exactly was this change even implemented? What is the logic behind it? To get more players to visit numerous zones, instead of just Craglorn and Wrothgar? This is what I mean by ZOS does these obscure and random changes, and when they do them — 9x out of 10 they are completely uncalled for. Who honestly thought that was a good idea at the conference table? Seriously. Where do they find these guys?

Tandor · September 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

I do them and stack them, just depends on how much time I have.

What if you get more mats for traveling? Would you still complain?

I never once complained... and why ask hypothetical questions? You WON'T get more mats so why ask?

You said it was dull, frustrating, and more like a punishment.

I hope I'm not around when you are complaining!

smacx250 · September 2016

Note that they have cut in half the number of surveys you need to do for the same amount of mats - they halved the survey drop rate, and doubled the survey mats. That should help offset some of the time spent going elsewhere.

AntMan100673 · September 2016

Con: If you've been doing craglorn writs for nirncrux you won't be able to any longer

Pro: You won't have to choose between doing craglorn writs and being a max level crafter

Con: It's easy to remember where every survey map is for in one zone not so much for the whole of tamriel

Pro: Occasionally you'll get sent to craglorn for a chance at nirncrux

Swings and roundabouts

DRXHarbinger · September 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

What a weird thing to take issue over... Odds are you already took the nearest wayshrine to your node anyway. I don't see ANY difference.

Exactly this....very strange thought process going on tonight.

nine9six · September 2016

MasterSpatula wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

I'm going to stop doing Writs when the new update comes out. I'm not porting around the world for this.

Agreed 100%. Between the ludicrous resource costs and just how laughably terrible the rewards are if you don't get a temper, survey, or page, Writs were only marginally worth doing anyway--and if ZOS hadn't nerfed the drop rates of tempers from hirelings into the ground when they introduced writs, they wouldn't be worth your time at all.

Add in a large time-consuming nuisance factor of running all over Tamriel for surveys, and writs have jumped completely over the line into "not worth it" territory.

Agree 100%.

Even with Writs in their current lackluster form, they are the first thing I do on all of my Toons.

Daily.

Religiously.

Days that I don't even feel like playing, I still do Writs. This leads to me doing other things in-game. Next thing you know, on a day I had no intention of playing, I've spent hours in-game doing an assortment of activities.

When this change hits Live I'll stop doing Writs. 10 out of 10 times that I don't feel like playing...I won't.

This will lead to me questioning my Sub since I'll hardly play. Then dropping the Sub altogether. I can already feel it...

All from this "not that big of a deal" Crafting Writ change. Snowball.

Taleof2Cities · September 2016

@Conquistador

I know you're on my friends list, but seriously dude, is it really that much of an inconvenience?

Would be nice to visit some places that I haven't been to in awhile, IMO.

SanTii.92 · September 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Crafting & Economy
Survey Reports
Survey Reports now drop half as often from Crafting Writs, but rich nodes at survey sites now provide twice as many materials as they did previously. This should result in roughly the same amount of materials from Survey Reports overall, but each individual report is now more lucrative.

Survey Reports are no longer unique items, and now stack to 200. Only one Survey Report will be used each time you approach and harvest the associated survey report site.

STEVIL · September 2016

Ok so BTW half the boxes having surveys means more boxes with 25pc mat packs.

but here is what happens right now.

First, i run writs on 7 different characters. (Though right now they skip their equipment writs.)
Most of those characters run writs that are at different levels - some at max, some at first. So i am already collecting surveys from different zones. The others run just maxed writs.
because the surveys dont stack, the characters have one of each survey in their inventory and then a bunch of the boxes holding mystery surveys (i know they are surveys but for Wrothgar not which one until i open each one up.)

So at the point i decide to go gather in the surveys a lot of time is spent clicking on boxes to see which ones etc.

under the new regime:
I will get surveys for many other areas.
i will get them half as often but double loads on harvest.
they will be extractable and stack in my inventory.
So, at a glance, i can tell "i have 5 of this one so lets go harvest"

So it seems to me that once in a greater while i will head off to some zone and harvest a lot of mats at once.

it also seems to me that since my guild dailies and other issues will be sending me to other zones, i can also just harvest when i am in the area.

All in all, i dont think there will be any major detriment to my play, since i haord and harvest a bunch at a time.

So what i think we will see is folks who under the current setup go and gather surveys often, maybe even as they get them, will need to reconsider whether they want to continue that style or go to more "hoard and harvest" methods now that the surveys stack so easily.

In every major patch, some things that used to be done one way, some builds that accomplish x, etc need to be rethought and possibly adapted to the new changes.

how one approaches surveys, seems like that might be one for this patch.

Even if its seen as a drag, its maybe not as bad as they guys who "had to redo all my gold gear"...

MasterSpatula · September 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

Note that they have cut in half the number of surveys you need to do for the same amount of mats - they halved the survey drop rate, and doubled the survey mats. That should help offset some of the time spent going elsewhere.

Well that's just another "how does anyone even think of this stuff?" issue.

Perhaps the single biggest complaint players have about writs is the huge cost in resources. Doubling the mats from surveys would be a good way to fix a design flaw. Doing this while halving the drop rates of surveys leaves us with the same number of mats. In other words, it's an arbitrary change with identical end results while doubling down on bad design.

Why? Who even does that?

Personally, I can say that one of my biggest issues is that the standard reward is just pathetic. When I get a long run of writs in a row without a single temper, fragment, or survey, I feel insulted. That's how bad the standard reward is. It's like someone saying, "Ha, ha! You just consumed 320 valuable raw materials, and you're getting back 9. Oh, and a repair kit. Sucker!"

Making surveys drop less often is only going to increase the number of times I feel disappointed in the ZOS for making this and in myself for falling for it. Even if the material returns even out, the feeling of being rewarded is lessened. It takes something that was never good and actually manages to make it worse.

altemriel · September 2016

outsideworld76 wrote: »

Well... it would not suprise me. They won't fix the lag either, so don't think they care about you, me or any other player. As long as people just pay for ESO+ everything is fine.

PVE zones are (going to be) instanced, so no increased lag with One Tamriel there

Runs · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

My question is, why exactly was this change even implemented? What is the logic behind it? To get more players to visit numerous zones, instead of just Craglorn and Wrothgar? This is what I mean by ZOS does these obscure and random changes, and when they do them — 9x out of 10 they are completely uncalled for. Who honestly thought that was a good idea at the conference table? Seriously. Where do they find these guys?

Update 12 is a hit to the people who currently make easy gold in game. This is one of the changes that removes the ability to make easy gold. We can no longer camp Craglorn writs for the survey maps. At least that is why I believe the change is there, it just fits in with the other economy changes, no more baby(scaled for easy coffer) runs, no more selling dungeon and trial gear. Still can make gold from trials with the motifs, but that will be once every 7 days per character and not completely easy/fast.

To the people that don't fully understand why different zone survey maps are a big deal for some of us... I personally make 860k monthly from selling Nirnhoned items made with the nirn I get from survey maps alone. That income will almost vanish, yeah we should still occasionally get Crag surveys but it wont be close to the same.

I do think the changes(with exception to the crown crates) are good for the game in the long run. Current endgame mat prices will go down, 10/10 equipment writs should become cheap enough to be worth it to do. And the surveys will take us to zones we otherwise wouldn't be going to, while there we could find something else to do(theoretically).

TL:DR This change has a negative impact, but I still welcome it.

Unsent.Soul · September 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Wait, so you are going to quit playing because you have to go a wayshrine and go to another place to get your stuff.. so an additional 3 minutes of moving is going to make you stop playing?

I am glad they did this. With on Tamriel coming out have players all over the map doing this, instead of phasing 50 people in one stop clicking on a bunch of nods.

Do you stack up surveys or do them as you get them?

Either way look at the big picture... they are forcing us to sit and wait for more loading screens to get the same materials.

Making things long and drawn out is rather dull. I won't quit playing, but it's frustrating. Also, if people do stack surveys it will consume more inventory space. You'd have blacksmith 1-3 wrothgar, 1-3 any other map, plus more.

At the end of the day it seems more of a punishment.

I do them and stack them, just depends on how much time I have.

What if you get more mats for traveling? Would you still complain?

I never once complained... and why ask hypothetical questions? You WON'T get more mats so why ask?

You said it was dull, frustrating, and more like a punishment.

I hope I'm not around when you are complaining!

True, I guess I thought it more of a con/pro thing but in the light, yea, I did complain.

It's mind boggling, like @Ch4mpTW put it, why was this even needed? If it's to "get more players to travel to more zones" than that just seems like an extremely lame excuse.