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Five Finger Discount

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Myrnhiel
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I not really am an achievement hunter (except for the Master Angler :) ), but every once in a while I take a look into the achievement list and sometimes I find something I would like to complete.

So when starting with the Thieves Guild, I found the achievement "Five Finger Discount" and found that it was not a bad one to complete: "Successfully pick pockets at each of the four most popular shops in Abah's Landing". Didn't sound too difficult, so I decided to do that as my Bosmer is on an thieving spree already. :)

"Leaping Frog Sundries", "The Serpent and Senche" and "Hew's Mane" were easy (apparently finally my Bosmer is getting the hang of pickpocketing... B)) . Then I came to "This One Sells Glyphs" - and I have to admit that I am a bit "irritated". There is Split-Nose standing behind the counter but you cannot steal from him. So I went upstairs and found Nugwugg scrubbing the floor. When I crouched and put my cursor on him, I saw that he was rated as "slave"!

As I recall (and I might be wrong there but I don't think I am) one of the main rules of the Thieves Guild is: "We do not steal from the poor". I know in "Oblivion" this was a great thing with Grey Fox and all, and I know that "Oblivion" is taking place a looong time after ESO but still... I didn't find any hint in ESO that stealing from the poor is acceptable.

So completing this achievement actually requires me stealing from a slave ? Or is there a customer irregularly wandering into the place and I just haven't seen them yet? Or somebody hiding behind a cupboard, bookshelf or desk and just don't want to be seen??

I don't steal from poor people - beggars and slaves have my greatest sympathy in this game and sometimes I am really frustrated that I cannot flip a coin or two to someone who is kneeling on the ground and asking for just a bit of money or freeing a poor soul that is clearly exploited (we really need the Twin Lamps in ESO....)

So I won't complete this achievement because it just feels plain wrong to me to steal from Nugwugg. But if there is a way around this I would really like to know it.
Edited by Myrnhiel on September 20, 2016 3:06PM
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  • bebynnag
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    now i feel bad for getting this achievment on my main.....

    :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
  • rotaugen454
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    If you could reverse-pickpocket, you'd be able to steal, then put back. That would end the quandary.
    "Get off my lawn!"
  • Ilsabet
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    Well if you steal one thing from him, he'll still have two things left over, so he won't be totally destitute.
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  • Nestor
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    If your stealing from the Slave, your really stealing from the Master.....

    OK, I know, it's weak, but it's something.
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Another TOS I didn't fully read . Not supposed to steal from the poor ? Ok my bad .
  • Abeille
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    Nestor wrote: »
    If your stealing from the Slave, your really stealing from the Master.....

    OK, I know, it's weak, but it's something.

    Yeah, it is a way of looking at it. A slave is property, they don't own anything themselves.
    Poor Walks didn't even own his eggshell pieces :c
    Edited by Abeille on September 20, 2016 2:40PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Myrnhiel
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    puffytheslayer wrote: »
    now i feel bad for getting this achievment on my main.....

    :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

    Oh, I really didn't mean to. It's just my way of playing the game. But perhaps now your alts won't steal from poor Nugwugg?
    rotaugen454 wrote: »
    If you could reverse-pickpocket, you'd be able to steal, then put back. That would end the quandary.

    Yes, but that's just not the meaning of stealing, is it? I mean, stealing is taking something from someone without permission, for one's own profit (e.g. keeping or selling it). If I could put it back, it wouldn't be stealing in the strict sense anymore. And the Thieves Guild is still keen on making profit, right?

    Ilsabet wrote: »
    Well if you steal one thing from him, he'll still have two things left over, so he won't be totally destitute.

    But as I don't have any choice in WHAT I take, that won't work. What if he carries the Leather Bouncing Ball (his last memento of his his little brother who died of an illness) and a Bag of Letter Tiles (a game that he was always playing with his mother when he was little) and the Antique Sewing Kit that his master gave him in the morning (and told him not to loose it, otherwise...) because he is supposed to mend clothing after having scrubbed the floor?

    Whatever of these things I take - I either take a memento of his family (which will hurt him immensely) or I steal something from his master (and he will be punished for that).

    I don't get to choose - and so I don't know if I am taking something valuable to him or not...
    Nestor wrote: »
    If your stealing from the Slave, your really stealing from the Master.....
    OK, I know, it's weak, but it's something.

    And having the poor slave being punished for my crime??? No... I just can't see it that way.

    I am also very interested in knowing why an Orc has come to be a slave of a Khajiit.... But I think his is one of the things we will never get to know.
    Edited by Myrnhiel on September 20, 2016 3:08PM
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  • Zouni
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    These beggars and drunkards sometimes have high value blue or purple items - that tells me they stole these goodies from someone else.
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  • I_killed_Vivec
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    Blade of Woe is your friend... give the slave eternal freedom.

    After you've pick-pocketed him first ;)
  • Myrnhiel
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    I_killed_Vivec wrote: »
    Blade of Woe is your friend... give the slave eternal freedom.

    After you've pick-pocketed him first ;)

    I haven't done the Dark Brotherhood yet, and I don't think I will ever join the club with her. :)

    It's already enough that I turned her into a thief (I found an explanation for that), but a murderer? No, I don't think so. When I was new to the game and she accidently killed someone... That was a really bad feeling. I didn't know then that you can turn on an option to prevent attacking innocent people. When I found out, I turned it on VERY quickly!
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  • linoge63
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    We aren't really stealing, we are resource reallocating. The item the slave had on them to relocate actually was expressing vibes that scramble his/her ability to discern preference over slave-hood.

    If the universe of that individual is not only ok with that item transferring, but through synchronicity demands it, then do it...otherwise we are resisting the flow.

    Synchronicity says there are no accidents, so do I ;)
    Edited by linoge63 on September 20, 2016 3:39PM
  • Pheefs
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    I do wish we could reverse pick pocket everyone too, then we could drop a sapphire in their pocket and it would still count.
    You would still be picking the pockets, a sneaky good deed.

    & no one would believe you if you got caught, "No, no really! I was putting money in the pocket, IN!!!"

    Steal from the rich and give to the poor, extreme edition!
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  • Myrnhiel
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    Pheefs wrote: »
    I do wish we could reverse pick pocket everyone too, then we could drop a sapphire in their pocket and it would still count.
    You would still be picking the pockets, a sneaky good deed.

    That's what I did with the heists in Skyrim - I always felt bad that I had to steal the most valuable possessions (normally the golden urns/statues/figurines), even if I only stole them from the rich - so I always put the value of the stolen object in gold into a drawer or cupboard. So even if I took something from them, they always got something in return.

    But even if this were possible, I still wouldn't steal from Nugwugg - I would just give him the money so he'll have the possibility to flee and begin a new life somewhere else very far away.
    Edited by Myrnhiel on September 20, 2016 4:27PM
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  • linoge63
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    Pheefs wrote: »
    I do wish we could reverse pick pocket everyone too, then we could drop a sapphire in their pocket and it would still count.
    You would still be picking the pockets, a sneaky good deed.

    & no one would believe you if you got caught, "No, no really! I was putting money in the pocket, IN!!!"

    Steal from the rich and give to the poor, extreme edition!
    ;)

    I agree, and one could sneak poison a target via that as well.

    An entire new line of alchemy could arise from reverse steal effects.
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