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Can we get rid of poisons now?
Alucardo
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Or at least add "to NPC enemies" so PVE people can still make use of poisons. After killing the same four yellows, they finally came back with a guy using the 60% increase magicka poison. After 1 blazing shield my magicka reserves were run dry and I died lol
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
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Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah, I don't like the poisons and won't use them myself. Nothing like fighting 5+ enemies and 3 of them are bowtards stacking poisons on you for 100% uptime. Add in a few beamplars and Velidreth proccing stam users and you have nearly my daily Cyrodiil encounter.PC/EU DC8 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Or at least add "to NPC enemies" so PVE people can still make use of poisons. After killing the same four yellows, they finally came back with a guy using the 60% increase magicka poison. After 1 blazing shield my magicka reserves were run dry and I died lol
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
go use them too! problem solved!10 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Or at least add "to NPC enemies" so PVE people can still make use of poisons. After killing the same four yellows, they finally came back with a guy using the 60% increase magicka poison. After 1 blazing shield my magicka reserves were run dry and I died lol
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
go use them too! problem solved!
Heh, well I'd be a bit of a hypocrite considering I never wanted them in the first place. I honestly don't believe they belong in PVP. They're far too strong.10 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you think about it Poisons like those actually give Hybrids an advantage lol unless you get hit with both a Magicka AND Stamina cost increase and they stack then you're screwed...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy2 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »If you think about it Poisons like those actually give Hybrids an advantage lol unless you get hit with both a Magicka AND Stamina cost increase and they stack then you're screwed...
I guess technically my build is hybrid-esque now. The thing is, if I have no magicka I can't use my shield, if I have no stam I can't block. Poisons are bad for everyone =(4 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Things to remove from PvP- Poisons
- Mandatory unpurgable gap closer snare
- The entire champion system
- Mercenary Contracts
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Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭Or at least add "to NPC enemies" so PVE people can still make use of poisons. After killing the same four yellows, they finally came back with a guy using the 60% increase magicka poison. After 1 blazing shield my magicka reserves were run dry and I died lol
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
Well if they could not kill you with skill I think it makes sense to use a poison to kill you. I mean that is a strategy. The concept of fair is thrown out the window when you have the knowledge and the strength to take out the enemy when they do not. It is war and not everybody is a honorable warrior who wants to earn respect by defeating their foe. Using poisons is part of playing the game as well. I find it kind of fitting to take out strong foe with poison. Maybe they can make the snake blood passive useful for fighting against alchemical poisons. It makes sense for some to train their body so they cannot die from certian poisons.4 -
EnOeZ✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Things to remove from PvP- Poisons
- Mandatory unpurgable gap closer snare
- The entire champion system
- Mercenary Contracts
...and Wrobel
Let's face it he is better at set design.5 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Do what works for you. If someone needs to use poisons to gain an advantage then more power to them. Idk about you but I would prefer to use whatever tools necessary to gain the upper hand.0 -
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✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Things to remove from PvP
[*] The entire champion system
They already did in 2 campaigns. However, almost nobody goes to Azura's Star...Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 18, 2016 8:25PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭"After One Blazing Shield"
"Enabling those with no skill"
Isn't the job of a healthplar to literally run into a group of people and spam one ability? It isn't OP or anything, it's just not what I would equate to a riveting showcase of skill.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭so you were 1vXing and got mad when the group finally used a legit tactic to actually take you down?
. . .sounds like working as intended for me.ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.24 -
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✭✭Poisons only proc on weapons skills and light attacks... (not blazing shield)
It's the dysnc that f's u. Most poisons seem to instantltly drian all my resources.0 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Probably, those who use poisons would tell the same about radiant, wrecking blow, poison iniection or anything they don't like... Beside, poisons at least cannot be spammed, since they proc only 20% of times, while other skills can... 6 -
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✭Or at least add "to NPC enemies" so PVE people can still make use of poisons. After killing the same four yellows, they finally came back with a guy using the 60% increase magicka poison. After 1 blazing shield my magicka reserves were run dry and I died lol
You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Yours with paws,
Aluc.. wait that's not my line.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
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"Enabling those with no skill"
Isn't the job of a healthplar to literally run into a group of people and spam one ability? It isn't OP or anything, it's just not what I would equate to a riveting showcase of skill.
I use all 10 skills on my bars when fighting. Definitely not spamming one ability. Well, 9. Repentance when they're all dead, unless I get poisoned.1 -
Wing✭✭✭✭✭
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"Enabling those with no skill"
Isn't the job of a ANY TEMPLAR EVER to literally run into a group of people and spam one ability? It isn't OP or anything, it's just not what I would equate to a riveting showcase of skill.
fixed for you
ESO player since beta.
game got too disappointing.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Probably, those who use poisons would tell the same about radiant, wrecking blow, poison iniection or anything they don't like... Beside, poisons at least cannot be spammed, since they proc only 20% of times, while other skills can...
True enough, but we're talking about something that makes your skills cost 60% more. Just another way to help big groups crush smaller ones.
Every one of those skills you listed has a counter. There is little to no counter when your resource pool all of a sudden dries up because you were poisoned. If they worked in a way that would diminish your pool over time, that might make it more manageable, but it just sucks it all up after a couple of abilities, and it is rather hard to tell when you've been poisoned which makes it worse.Edited by Alucardo on September 18, 2016 9:20PM6 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Probably, those who use poisons would tell the same about radiant, wrecking blow, poison iniection or anything they don't like... Beside, poisons at least cannot be spammed, since they proc only 20% of times, while other skills can...
True enough, but we're talking about something that makes your skills cost 60% more. Just another way to help big groups crush smaller ones.
Every one of those skills you listed has a counter. There is little to no counter when your resource pool all of a sudden dries up because you were poisoned. If they worked in a way that would diminish your pool over time, that might make it more manageable, but it just sucks it all up after a couple of abilities, and it is rather hard to tell when you've been poisoned which makes it worse.
Come on, it's just for 6.4 seconds. You don't die if you pay a javelin 3200 mag instead of 2000 (I don't have my templar now, can't check) for 6.4 sec, neither you don't run out of magicka. You can use light/heavy attacks which cost nothing (counter...).
Let's say, if in those six secs you cast three skill, your increased cost will be of 3-4k magicka. It's not exactly a death sentence...0 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You're enabling people with no skill to win fights instead of learning how to play the game. Now I know a lot of skilled people use them too, but they are over the god damn top.
I don't want them nerfed, I just want them gone from PVP, forever.
You've had your fun, now let's get rid of them.
Probably, those who use poisons would tell the same about radiant, wrecking blow, poison iniection or anything they don't like... Beside, poisons at least cannot be spammed, since they proc only 20% of times, while other skills can...
True enough, but we're talking about something that makes your skills cost 60% more. Just another way to help big groups crush smaller ones.
Every one of those skills you listed has a counter. There is little to no counter when your resource pool all of a sudden dries up because you were poisoned. If they worked in a way that would diminish your pool over time, that might make it more manageable, but it just sucks it all up after a couple of abilities, and it is rather hard to tell when you've been poisoned which makes it worse.
Come on, it's just for 6.4 seconds. You don't die if you pay a javelin 3200 mag instead of 2000 (I don't have my templar now, can't check) for 6.4 sec, neither you don't run out of magicka. You can use light/heavy attacks which cost nothing (counter...).
Let's say, if in those six secs you cast three skill, your increased cost will be of 3-4k magicka. It's not exactly a death sentence...
It isn't just 6.4 seconds. When you are fighting multiple people with poisons you will be poisoned nearly the entire fight.PC/EU DC3 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Just like other things happening since beta days: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262756/poison-making-cant-go-live-the-way-they-work-now/p1
You can read in the same post the usual "fans"that are maybe not even playing nowadays defending zos and saying we overreacted.Edited by RazielSR on September 18, 2016 10:05PM0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just like other things happening since beta days: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262756/poison-making-cant-go-live-the-way-they-work-now/p1
You can read in the same post the usual "fans"that are mayne not even playing nowadays defending zos and saying we overreacted.
I remember people complaining about poisons on the PTS when they were 30%. ZOS replied with "Don't worry guys, that's just a bug. It'll be 60% on live" 3 -
Rykmaar✭✭✭Just like other things happening since beta days: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262756/poison-making-cant-go-live-the-way-they-work-now/p1
You can read in the same post the usual "fans"that are mayne not even playing nowadays defending zos and saying we overreacted.
I remember people complaining about poisons on the PTS when they were 30%. ZOS replied with "Don't worry guys, that's just a bug. It'll be 60% on live"
Yeah I agree.
I mean the very design of this system was to give people a choice between poisons and enchantments -- with the premise being that they would be on par.
Right now, they are they are anything but on par. Poisons have such a drastic impact on PvP that the only real counter to poison spam is more poison spam.
Adding a mechanic that can only be countered by itself is not adding choice, its adding something that players will have to do. Enchantments just can't compete in PvP.
I love the idea, ZoS, but the current iteration of it is far too much.0 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭The whole thing is a big mistake and unnecesary problems added, as it would be spellmaking.0
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Grymmoire✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Things to remove from PvP- Poisons
- Mandatory unpurgable gap closer snare
- The entire champion system
- Mercenary Contracts
...and Wrobel
Let's face it he is better at set design.
Being a tad factitious, also remove or block passives or go further, block both passives and class skills; heck why not just block everything and require PvP players be naked and carry equal sized Seal Clubs, that way real player skill will determine the outcome. Then complaints can focus on lag, ping and players utilizing cheats.
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭something that compromises unkillable troll builds?
yeah, must be bad.
haven't tried them, actually.2