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[Set Discussion] Phoenix Armor

ParaNostram
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With how prominent burst gank builds are in PvP, sometimes it can be very helpful to be given a "second chance" of sorts. That's where this set comes in, sacrifice some damage potential and you have a second life on a cooldown. I've even seen healers and DPS run it in dungeons just to ensure uptime//survivability in fights known to pick off individual party members. Question is... Is it worth the damage lost?

What do you think? What would you say are the benefits and disadvantages of running this set are? Furthermore, do you think this set is viable?
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Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore

"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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  • Ch4mpTW
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    To be honest and straight forward with you, it's not worth using in PVP. I've had way more success utilizing it in PVE. The clutch is real sometimes.
  • olsborg
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    IMO this set is trash, in pvp. You just kill them twice instead of once.

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  • xellink
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    if you are a REALLY good player who likes a handicap.... its probably the best counter against LAG...
  • Sallington
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    Never use a set that is counting on you dying to make full use of it.
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  • catalyst10e
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    In PVP, if you're a much lower level, such as just starting to get your CP, it can be useful since you're usually too squishy to handle the burst meta. It's only useful tho, if you're able to get away from the fight to regain resources. (using streak or cloak)
    It's also one of the easier sets to obtain the full 5 pieces from in a relatively short amount of time. Jump into the sewers and grind out a bit of TV, even faster if a friend or 2 helps. It's 3 and 4 piece set bonuses also provide things most migicka builds look for. So it's still useful when you start to transition into a new set and start replacing pieces. So all-in-all I'd say it's a great set for a beginning magicka PVPer/PVEer.

    Having said all that, if you're talking about using it with a character at 531, there's just so many other sets that are better. Phoenix is ONLY useful if you're dying (somewhat) a lot, and if you're dying a lot at 531 CP you're doing something wrong.
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  • Lightninvash
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    it is only useful in PVE as said above as soon as people hear the phoenix screech they hop on you like crazy and in pvp the heal you get from the set is halved lol. In PVE I use it in my lowbies grinding gear as a last resort I'm gna die armor. SO instead of dying I will explode dealing a nice chunk of damage and a full heal lol.
  • ParaNostram
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    it is only useful in PVE as said above as soon as people hear the phoenix screech they hop on you like crazy and in pvp the heal you get from the set is halved lol. In PVE I use it in my lowbies grinding gear as a last resort I'm gna die armor. SO instead of dying I will explode dealing a nice chunk of damage and a full heal lol.

    They really should make this set immune to the 50% heal debuff in PvP IMHO.
    "Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."

    Para Nostram
    Bosmer Sorceress
    Witch of Evermore

    "Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
    Order of the Black Worm
  • leepalmer95
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    it is only useful in PVE as said above as soon as people hear the phoenix screech they hop on you like crazy and in pvp the heal you get from the set is halved lol. In PVE I use it in my lowbies grinding gear as a last resort I'm gna die armor. SO instead of dying I will explode dealing a nice chunk of damage and a full heal lol.

    They really should make this set immune to the 50% heal debuff in PvP IMHO.

    Either way if you've died once your more than likely gonna die again.

    Never seen this set make an actual difference for someone.
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  • ManDraKE
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    useless set for PvP. If you got killed once, you will get killed twice.

    Build to win fights, no to survive a few more seconds.
  • Edziu
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    well, I as ganger when meet someone with set...just while waiting until he "reborn" I rebuffing and charging heavy attack, then he is able to take damage and heavy attack with skill is lands on his face killing him this time really
  • Cryptical
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    The crucial issue is the healing does not begin until after the damage immunity goes away.

    So... And this has happened to me... something as small as a light attack can drop you if timed just right.

    To fix the set, the sequence of events should be changed so the healing initiates during the turn-to-stone and the damage immunity lasts to about 1/5 of a second after the explosion. The healing change is so that you are fight-capable the instant control of the character is returned to you. The damage immunity change is so you can do a dodge / block / move - so that nobody can use the transitional seam between your controller doing nothing and your controller moving the character.

    Those 2 changes to make it function in pvp. But for pve, a 3rd change is needed. The mobs know you aren't dead, so they don't look around for someone else when to them you should be considered dead. That needs to be fixed.
    Edited by Cryptical on September 16, 2016 8:45PM
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  • Runs
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    I used the set for a while, and I came to the conclusion it only has 1 real use... Cliff diving. This set basically lets you go where you want to go without worry of fall damage so long as you don't let it happen twice in ten minutes.

    In PvP and PvE, more than a few times, after it procced I would be instantly rekilled.
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