I don't get what all this madness over Maelstrom weapons is about. Why do all these obviously non vet trail running people need the best weapons in the game to farm delves and open world trash mobs for?

As much as I would love to buy an MA weapon I agree that it should be earned through completeing it.

cjthibs wrote: »

Insanarchy wrote: »

I'm sorry, but ZOS already catered to the lazy crowd when they made it 100% wep drop on vet. Seriously suck it up people and practice the content like intended. It's difficult yes, it's frustrating yes, it's RNG galore! But guess what beating it your first time feels as good as getting that weapon you want. Seriously people it's all about repetition. So practice and learn this little thing called patience like everyone else that beat it did. If something like this is really your crutch then this isn't the game for you. Sorry!

And repetition just ain't fun for the vast majority of people.
I'm not terribly upset that I'll never have a Maelstrom weapon...why? Because of the utter boredom and frustration of mindlessly completing the same content over and over and over all by myself would make me quit the game if I attempted it.

Understand completely. I personally don't like doing maelstrom either, but that's simply just my preference. It's not for everyone. I got the stuff I needed and now pretty much never go back. What seems to have made runs easier to endure was just chilling in chat with my friends laughing and having fun. Runs felt like they flew by sometimes.

I don't support this suggestion.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Why? It's simple.

Phase 1: Malestorm player wants to make money and still continue to play Malestorm.
Phase 2: Normal player like me don't want to play Malestorm yet has the gold to purchase the weapon.
Phase 3: $$$$$$$$ Profit $$$$$$$$



Everyone wins.

I would think a better alternative would be to all all stormproff holders to trade weapons between them to keep it it the club

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Why? It's simple.

Phase 1: Malestorm player wants to make money and still continue to play Malestorm.
Phase 2: Normal player like me don't want to play Malestorm yet has the gold to purchase the weapon.
Phase 3: $$$$$$$$ Profit $$$$$$$$



Everyone wins.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

the only people who have a justifiable reason for wanting to buy maelstrom weapons (in my opinion) are dedicated tanks & healers.

but since Master swords & master resto staves, are considered the superior option, and these are obtainable from Dragonstar which is a 4 person base game trial.

then there is no justifiable reason for OP's suggestion as I see it.

Speaking as a dedicated tank, I just made a DPS guy to learn it and beat it. I couldn't in good consciousness berate dps role players about learning situational awareness and class mastery like you do by beating vma without doing it myself.

And this thread like every single other one looking to short circuit the process needs to be smacked down and hard by the community. Hard content is hard and vma remains the only single way you can adequately prepare yourself for hard mode trials without wasting 11 other people's time.

It sucks, yes to be forced into single player content while playing an MMO. The learning curve happens once. When you're done, learning how to do it on another class is very fast and your repeat clears become much faster. If you're grinding champion points, MSA is a great place for it, and eventually you'll wind up with a very large stable of weapons for all your characters.

Sallington wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

It means low effort players win, so no.

My low effort gives me lots of gold to use to buy items like the Malestorm weapon that I need. It works both ways. Also it would also encourage players to do Malestorm since they can now make a living off of selling their loot to other players.

If you are unable to complete vMA for the weapons, then you're not going to be doing the content that you would need them for, so I don't know why you'd spend the millions of gold on them.

Not true done most of the trials and no Vmsa weapons on my chars..

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

You do realize that this is GAME and not Real life? The Maelstrom weapon is not a gun that requires any special training or any federal licensing. Since when do you have to become an expert in this ridiculous add on DLC to obtain the weapon just further advance your DPS in veteran trials? Can you please explain that one to me? I do pretty good in normal trials without doing Maelstrom.

Oh and I didn't realize that my incorrect spelling of the word "Maelstrom" caused you so much anguish and mental stress to the point that you just had to point it out to me. Please send me a bill from your therapist office and I'll gladly pay for it with my hard earn money that I worked so hard to get.

Ok, humble Khajiit apparently must enlighten a walker.

Maelstrom is meant to be a challenge, and for completing a challenge you get a reward. If every PVP'er in Cyrodiil could simply purchase a Maelstrom weapon then it diminishes the reward for completing said challenge. Would you run the hard content if you had millions in your bank and they were available on guild stores? Even if they did allow them to be sold this one would guess that people would simply sell the powered/charged ones.

Also, it appears that you do not realise what the use of the means within a forum context. Generally when Khajiit uses this it refers to a joke or a sarcastic comment. After all, this one is aware that some members of the forums do not have English as a first language.

Just admit you are hurt because the forum does not want people to simply be gifted things because they have gold, and do not wish to do the hard work to earn the things.

Mortehl wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Why? It's simple.

Phase 1: Malestorm player wants to make money and still continue to play Malestorm.
Phase 2: Normal player like me don't want to play Malestorm yet has the gold to purchase the weapon.
Phase 3: $$$$$$$$ Profit $$$$$$$$



Everyone wins.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

the only people who have a justifiable reason for wanting to buy maelstrom weapons (in my opinion) are dedicated tanks & healers.

but since Master swords & master resto staves, are considered the superior option, and these are obtainable from Dragonstar which is a 4 person base game trial.

then there is no justifiable reason for OP's suggestion as I see it.

Speaking as a dedicated tank, I just made a DPS guy to learn it and beat it. I couldn't in good consciousness berate dps role players about learning situational awareness and class mastery like you do by beating vma without doing it myself.

And this thread like every single other one looking to short circuit the process needs to be smacked down and hard by the community. Hard content is hard and vma remains the only single way you can adequately prepare yourself for hard mode trials without wasting 11 other people's time.

It sucks, yes to be forced into single player content while playing an MMO. The learning curve happens once. When you're done, learning how to do it on another class is very fast and your repeat clears become much faster. If you're grinding champion points, MSA is a great place for it, and eventually you'll wind up with a very large stable of weapons for all your characters.

There's an important concept in here that I wanted to reiterate. Let it be known up front that I agree with this post; I found it to be reasonable and rational.

The point I want to reiterate pertains to being prepared for harder content like trials. While I won't make any absolute claims that one "must learn to beat vMA before doing a vet trial," mainly because I know personally that it's not true, it does have value. I've spoken to a lot of people about their experiences with vMA, and I've helped a respectable number of people get through it by offering strategies and suggestions for each round specifically. I've yet to hear from someone who completed vMA at least once and sincerely believes it didn't make them a better player.

Veteran trials themselves are not inherently more difficult than vMA, and ultimately it doesn't really matter which one is harder. But I would like to emphasize that the development in player skill throughout the vMA experience is significant and noticeable. Veteran trials, except perhaps vMoL, can be completed without people being vMA experts and having vMA weapons. Veteran hardmodes, though? That's a different story. I do believe that vMA does a great deal to prepare players for the challenges in the hardest 12-man content. I also firmly believe that it makes you a better pvper, and many of my friends and guildmates agree.

The takeaway from this is that, despite how frustrating and challenging vMA is for most people, it is still a valuable experience. If you aren't playing this game for more than open-world content, pvp, and more casual pve content, then you probably don't have a need to do vMA. But if you're looking to make yourself into a better player, vMA is one of the most effective ways to do it.

As it pertains to the weapons that drop and whether or not they should be traded - I have to err on the side of keeping them exclusive to completion. It is common knowledge that vMA weapons are BiS for pretty much every dps build in pve, and for many builds in pvp too (although the requirement to use vMA weapons in pvp is easily debatable and highly contingent upon build), and of course that's why most people want them. But having the weapon doesn't make you a good player, it merely puts you in a place of potential. There is no doubt in my mind that this will be the subject of many disagreements, but why open up BiS weapons to people who didn't earn it? Will those people who buy vMA weapons be an asset or a liability in a veteran hardmode? I'd wager the latter.

It's been mentioned a few times at least to make them tradeable among those who are Stormproof. This may be a reasonable accommodation, since there's no guarantee anyone will ever get the weapon they need. For me, it's always just been a "matter of time" until I get it. I wouldn't be overtly opposed to being able to trade among other Stormproof, but I also can't fathom a reason why ZOS would accommodate this, or how they would go about it. After all, they are eliminating BoE gear altogether... we're not exactly taking steps in that direction.

Why do people care if someone gets to buy Maelstrom weapons? I don't understand, It literally does no harm to anyone. They aren't going to make you a better player and if they have the money to buy them then why not?

Travestynox wrote: »

No selling, trading, and no token system. It's random, deal with it.

@Travestynox Why do I have to deal with it when people who ran it before DB didn't, and got their weapons handed out the them in awesome traits? Why didn't they have to work for it*?

*work for it = run the arena 760 times on average for the weapon they wanted and 1000+ times with a chance of 20%. Before DB, it took around 30 to 70 runs, depending on your luck, to get every single weapon in Sharpened.