Converted StamBlade to MagBlade. Looking for CP setup help

kylewwefan · September 2016

Wearing, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower, 2 Skoria, V14 Master Inferno Sharp.

I wish I had done this some time ago, took the gear off my templar, and it seems NASTY on niteblade. I put 100 in elemental, 77 in erosion. Thinking maybe I should put some in Thurman?

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

For pve I'm assuming-I personally put a good chunk in elfborn as nightblades are crit machines. And I run the shadow.

Also, just a suggestion but the difference in spell damage going v14 to v16 with weapons is quite huge. You may want to start farming that maelstrom staff now

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kylewwefan · September 2016

If the game is working tonight, I'm planning on trying it out in maelstrom for a few. I've been impressed at how well elemental blockade and sap essence have performed not even leveled up. Even refreshing path has been hitting hard and healing like crazy on this setup. I can't wait to see how it does in the arena!

kaithuzar · September 2016

Are we talking pve or pvp or maelstrom?
Until they buff skoria next patch you may be better off with engine guardian or 1 kena & 1 blood spawn for maelstrom or pvp.
Right now Nerineth is better for pve although skoria may be better after the next update.

For pve cp i think the general thing is to try & balance points because of diminishing returns so i would suggest something like 80 in elfborn , 80 in elemental dmg & maybe the rest in thaumaturge, but 99% of pve'rs will tell you 100 into ele dmg.

For pvp cp I put very little into elfborn because it's crit & most good players should be wearing impen.

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

^ I assumed op meant for pve only...otherwise I definitely would have made many more suggestions lol. Specifically for maelstrom I prefer to run skoria over nerieneth just due to the targeting and my use of swallow soul over force pulse. I'll also run kena for faster times, but never recommend it for first time clears.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · September 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

^ I assumed op meant for pve only...otherwise I definitely would have made many more suggestions lol.

Speaking of, I just did the same thing as the OP today, but with the express purpose of 1v1 fun when dueling goes live.

The difference is that I wanted to do this as melee, but I'm REALLY feeling the Stam meta right now. For context, here's my bar setup:

Front: Impale, Dark Cloak, Lotus Fan, Concealed Weapon, Crippling Grasp (Soul Harvest)
Back: Degeneration, Flex Spot*, Healing Ward, Mirage, Mass Hysteria (Soul Tether)

However, I'm having MAJOR issues balancing damage and resources. I'm running an Altmer and even with those advantages, I'm finding this build just EATS Magicka (even with tons of CP in cost reduction and regen). I know part of the issue is that I REALLY want to run the Fasalla's Guile set, but is there another set I need to be shooting for to supplement this?

Or is running a melee MagBlade in the current meta a study in futility? My main reason for making my dueling toon Magicka instead of a StamGanker is that I'm thinking any duelist worth his/her salt is NEVER going to let you open with a stealthed Surprise Attack. So, I figured focusing on DoTs, self-heals, and heal debuffing the other guy would be the way to go. Until I hit this statistic-balancing wall.

Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice you guys can give!

ryanborror · September 2016

I run 89 elemental expert 31 thaumaturge the rest in elf born except for a less than 10 in staff expert and spell erosion

kylewwefan · September 2016

Thanks for the replies. I am talking about PvE and maelstrom. The setup ran quite well through dungeons.....I still have much to learn about maelstrom. Stuck in the third round. Even with this setup I can't survive

it did do quite well during the daily' s though.

What is it with maelstrom that it's not like anything else in the freaking game?

kaithuzar · September 2016

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

^ I assumed op meant for pve only...otherwise I definitely would have made many more suggestions lol.

Speaking of, I just did the same thing as the OP today, but with the express purpose of 1v1 fun when dueling goes live.

The difference is that I wanted to do this as melee, but I'm REALLY feeling the Stam meta right now. For context, here's my bar setup:

Front: Impale, Dark Cloak, Lotus Fan, Concealed Weapon, Crippling Grasp (Soul Harvest)
Back: Degeneration, Flex Spot*, Healing Ward, Mirage, Mass Hysteria (Soul Tether)

However, I'm having MAJOR issues balancing damage and resources. I'm running an Altmer and even with those advantages, I'm finding this build just EATS Magicka (even with tons of CP in cost reduction and regen). I know part of the issue is that I REALLY want to run the Fasalla's Guile set, but is there another set I need to be shooting for to supplement this?

Or is running a melee MagBlade in the current meta a study in futility? My main reason for making my dueling toon Magicka instead of a StamGanker is that I'm thinking any duelist worth his/her salt is NEVER going to let you open with a stealthed Surprise Attack. So, I figured focusing on DoTs, self-heals, and heal debuffing the other guy would be the way to go. Until I hit this statistic-balancing wall.

Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice you guys can give!

Run either siphoning attacks or magicka harness (or maybe the other morph if you're in light armor)
use atro mundus stone for recovery, also look into 5 worm cult (jewelry needed)

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · September 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

Run either siphoning attacks or magicka harness (or maybe the other morph if you're in light armor)
use atro mundus stone for recovery, also look into 5 worm cult (jewelry needed)

Thanks for the advice! The Atronach stone is helping, and I just dropped my Shadow Dancer set in favor of a 5-piece Seducer.

It seems that cost reduction is making more of a difference than straight regen, in spite of my Altmer passives. Gonna do some more tweaking. Thank you again!

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Run either siphoning attacks or magicka harness (or maybe the other morph if you're in light armor)
use atro mundus stone for recovery, also look into 5 worm cult (jewelry needed)

Thanks for the advice! The Atronach stone is helping, and I just dropped my Shadow Dancer set in favor of a 5-piece Seducer.

It seems that cost reduction is making more of a difference than straight regen, in spite of my Altmer passives. Gonna do some more tweaking. Thank you again!

If you really want to stick with melee and fasallas, I would definitely say run the atronach mundus. A lot of magicka characters are running seducers lately due to the issues with resource management.

The problem you may run into is damage, however...it's why I eventually moved to necropotence.

kylewwefan wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I am talking about PvE and maelstrom. The setup ran quite well through dungeons.....I still have much to learn about maelstrom. Stuck in the third round. Even with this setup I can't survive it did do quite well during the daily' s though.

What is it with maelstrom that it's not like anything else in the freaking game?

The third round is where most start to feel a bit of the pain of maelstrom lol don't worry we have all been there. Practice, watch videos, slot harness if you haven't already (until you get used to the fights), run rapid regen if you need to, slot agony if you want so you can just keep whatever troubles you the most disoriented (I recommend disorienting the lamia dominae ones), use sigils wisely, etc. Is there a specific boss you're struggling with on that stage?

kylewwefan · September 2016

Round one when the first wamasu comes out I seem to get just overrun with adds.

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Round one when the first wamasu comes out I seem to get just overrun with adds.

What I would suggest is to just agony the most troubling add, keep harness up if you can and either A: Run to the additional mobs to kill them, kiting the wamasu or B: Bring everything to one island and put down your aoes (Path and Elemental Blockade) then do a sap essence to finish anything off and start your boss rotation on the wamasu. His attacks are quite predictable, just stay to his side to avoid the conal attacks. He is quite slow so keeping cripple on him will give you the speed you need, and his health is pretty low so it shouldn't take too long to burn him down.

DRXHarbinger · September 2016

I dump all my blue cp into magic damage and then spell pen, using sharp staff, Ele drain and 5 light anything you fight will have next to no resistance. Next update you can hit 19k spell pen which is just over the res cap for pve bosses. Plus it's really good to have in pvp as half of Cyro is running heavy impen.

Put 10 in blessed though. Makes that funnel health a little bit better.

QuebraRegra · September 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Wearing, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower, 2 Skoria, V14 Master Inferno Sharp.

I wish I had done this some time ago, took the gear off my templar, and it seems NASTY on niteblade. I put 100 in elemental, 77 in erosion. Thinking maybe I should put some in Thurman?

Why the points into elemental for a MAGBALDE? Is this because of the destro staff stuff? I thought straight penetration was better?

kylewwefan · September 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Wearing, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower, 2 Skoria, V14 Master Inferno Sharp.

I wish I had done this some time ago, took the gear off my templar, and it seems NASTY on niteblade. I put 100 in elemental, 77 in erosion. Thinking maybe I should put some in Thurman?

Why the points into elemental for a MAGBALDE? Is this because of the destro staff stuff? I thought straight penetration was better?

I have no idea where things should go. That's why I asked

I thought the elemental expert also includes magic damage. Idk I was thinking about putting a few into staff expert also.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · September 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Why the points into elemental for a MAGBALDE? Is this because of the destro staff stuff? I thought straight penetration was better?

Because it includes Magic damage.

jpalm1995 · September 2016

Get any gold v16 staff until you get a v16 maelstrom one. I'd replace elemental blockade with cripple until you get a maelstrom staff.

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

Wearing, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower, 2 Skoria, V14 Master Inferno Sharp.

I wish I had done this some time ago, took the gear off my templar, and it seems NASTY on niteblade. I put 100 in elemental, 77 in erosion. Thinking maybe I should put some in Thurman?

Why the points into elemental for a MAGBALDE? Is this because of the destro staff stuff? I thought straight penetration was better?

I have no idea where things should go. That's why I asked I thought the elemental expert also includes magic damage. Idk I was thinking about putting a few into staff expert also.

I will be honest and say I do not know the "absolute best min-max magnb dps cp set-up" but I do know that I am enjoying running 100 elemental and the rest in elfborn.

kaithuzar · September 2016

Yea I'm thinking about running a cyrodiil gank build in ....
wait for it....
light armor.

This is a shock to most of you that know I run heavy, but for those few times when I just really want to gank ie.. kill quickly & gtfo I'm definitely gonna run that new light armor set that gives spell pen!
(note: this is not an "open world" build, just a gank type thing)

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

kaithuzar wrote: »

Yea I'm thinking about running a cyrodiil gank build in ....
wait for it....
light armor.

This is a shock to most of you that know I run heavy, but for those few times when I just really want to gank ie.. kill quickly & gtfo I'm definitely gonna run that new light armor set that gives spell pen!
(note: this is not an "open world" build, just a gank type thing)

Lol been there, done that

here is some inspiration (my last ganking video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZhCFb1SNk

kylewwefan · September 2016

So I changed up CP a little

Blue Tree

10 Spell Erosion
10 Elfborn
100 Elemental Expert

47 Staff Expert

10 Thaumaturge

My staff attacks are hitting for like 18k now. Except on the 3rd level Lamia Queen. She seems to have quite a bit of resistance.

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

So I changed up CP a little

Blue Tree

10 Spell Erosion
10 Elfborn
100 Elemental Expert

47 Staff Expert

10 Thaumaturge

My staff attacks are hitting for like 18k now. Except on the 3rd level Lamia Queen. She seems to have quite a bit of resistance.

Yeah that lamia boss can be a real pain at first, especially with the adds. I remember my first time through feeling awesome then getting to her and swearing at everything lol. Especially the stranglers when they used to pull instead of snare.

I'm curious why you went with so many into staff expert. Mind sharing your boss rotation?

kylewwefan · September 2016

No idea. It looked good, better use because I start with reapers mark so I figured the penetration was already pretty good.

Rotation....uhm well I'm kind of all over the place there.

Resto healing ward, rapid regen, siphon strikes , Swallow soul, sap essence
swap
Destro killers Blade, elemental blockade, flame reach, Reapers mark, merciless resolve,

I think I actually spent more time on the resto bar using swallow soul and sap, and light heavy attacks. I was moving around and making it my job to grab the sigils....I was really shocked when I made it to the boss, but then I really didn't seem to have enough damage to kill her off before the sigils ran out. I consistently got her down to below 25% health, but just couldn't seal the deal.

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

No idea. It looked good, better use because I start with reapers mark so I figured the penetration was already pretty good.

Rotation....uhm well I'm kind of all over the place there.

Resto healing ward, rapid regen, siphon strikes , Swallow soul, sap essence
swap
Destro killers Blade, elemental blockade, flame reach, Reapers mark, merciless resolve,

Oh lol I didn't know if you switched to wearing elegance/a lightning staff or something along those lines. If you're running the shadow or thief though, then I really would suggest moving them to elfborn.

What I'm going to suggest here is just purely what I use as a rotation, so if you are liking how your set-up flows then stick with it. It seems odd to me, but I'm more cookie-cutter when it comes to the arena so what do I know lol.

Destro Lightning front bar (because it's my only maelstrom sharpened staff lol): harness, swallow soul, merciless, cripple, inner light.

Destro Fire Maelstrom precise: inner light, siphoning attacks, double take, twisting path, blockade.

I will put down my two dots and my two buffs on back bar then just weave with swallow soul/merciless procs/while keeping up cripple. For the first stages I don't bother slotting an execute even though I should lol. I'll swap out double take with an execute when I need one or with agony if I'm feeling off that day.

For aoes on the front bar, I have the Lightning staff heavy attacks (until next patch).

For panic healing I have harness, but swallow soul keeps me pretty full on health.

Either way, the biggest suggestion I could make to you is to find a way to put inner light on at least your damage bar, and if your destro is your damage bar, try to put swallow soul on there instead of reach for weaving it. You won't have as many resource issues.

kylewwefan · September 2016

I'm going to switc this toon back out to a stamblade. MagicBuild on an Orc niteblade is just not very good it seems. On the plus side, I am leveling up a High Elf MagBlade that I'll use this setup on...hopefully it will perform better!