The pvp stamina meta.

Cronopoly · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Im so sick of being 1-shot by a stamina light attack. How can us weak magicka classes even begin to compete?
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Magus wrote: »

Reactive/malubeth/transmutation templar with bats. The main reason you lived so long was the sorc spamming healing ward on you while everyone ignored him though.

While I consider this a lighthearted post and even more of a look at me, "I've created something others mastered a while ago", I'm just being frank. Grats to figuring it out. The question however as you put it, are you competing? As a PVP Healer Tank yes. That's exactly what you made. Kudos, here's the cookie.

That said your post in no way addresses the valid concerns of the Magicka players imbalance in PVP. It is well observed pretty much everyone who has been paying attention, that NO ONE is talking about Healing Templars when the conversation of PVP Balance comes up.

Again this is nothing new with Malubeth Transmutation Bats and suspected Reactive.
We could all do this too and kill no one in PVP. We could all sit there spamming BoL running around in a zerg accomplishing nothing, at least not quickly. But we could all stay alive. It's the extreme end of the spectrum, and it does it's job well.

We see what happened to your paper wearing buddy once the competition showed up

KingYogi415 · September 2016

@Cronopoly
Instead of just being a condensending snob you could have added somthing new to the conversation. This thread is about magic not being as weak as everyone posts about.

You chose to completly igore my main point
about magblade being the king of cryo right now.

Do you have any counter arguments, links to any other threads I should read or was that it?

KingYogi415 · September 2016

How much do you bet for 1v1's is 100k a round to rich for you?

KingYogi415 · September 2016

I'm waiting. Please tell me what stam build even come close to magplar and magblade in cryo.
Stambuilds are a 1 trick burst pony. Cryo is about ZvZ balance.

Obviously the devs agree with me. Look at all the new stam sets and weapon ultis.

Tired of getting ganked? Slot inner light, not that hard.

Would you have written such a long conceited message if my post was a bomblade montage? I guess it could apply.
Heres your cookie back!

Actually_Goku · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

How can you admit almost every emp these days are bomblades then say they are "not that good though."

Do you think a class that can blow up 20 people solo should be better then other classes in a fair 1v1?

Magblades can gank just fine as well, And are needed in zergs for fear.

I see people cry all day on the forum about stam when magic nightblade is truely the AP king.

Maybe when reverse slice is better then proxy det stam would be better then magic.

Lolwut

Every magicka class has some sort of specialisation still - Mag Sorcs being the only mag spec with burst, Magtemp being all around good, but lacking in 1v1 situations against skilled players, Magblade, as you said, being the best against zergs, and then Mag DK... Well, I guess they're okay at group play?

Whereas Stam classes across the board have more tankiness, more damage, more crit chance, better weapon skills to choose from, and in most cases, better spammables and better CP synergy.

Straight up - there is a reason everyone, especially elite players and streamers are using stamina builds. Unless you know something the rest of us don't?

BRogueNZ · September 2016

problem there was a no EP templar

thankyourat · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

How can you admit almost every emp these days are bomblades then say they are "not that good though."

Do you think a class that can blow up 20 people solo should be better then other classes in a fair 1v1?

Magblades can gank just fine as well, And are needed in zergs for fear.

I see people cry all day on the forum about stam when magic nightblade is truely the AP king.

Maybe when reverse slice is better then proxy det stam would be better then magic.

I don't run a bomb blade though. So I should be punished because I want to run a set that can sustain so I can fight against competitive players? For my playstyle reverse slice is also better than proxy det. Because i can access it whenever I need to. proxy I need to hit so many people for it to hit worth anything. I probably got killed by a bomb blade 2 times in the last month and both times were bridge battles. Becoming emp doesn't mean you are a good player and farming ap doesn't mean you a good player. Literally every stamina class is better than magblade right now

KingYogi415 · September 2016

@Actually_Goku yah most of elite pvpers I know play magic nightblade or magic templar. And their not going to stream themselfs.

When my bomblade guild leader wanted emp, at day 8 he had 6 million AP while the seccond place guy had 3 mil.

When kush played scourge last month he was also a bomblade emp who also has almost twice the ap of anyone else. The only reason other people get emp is when these people stop pvping to give it to them.

KingYogi415 · September 2016

I used to think only boosting would get you those numbers, now it's only boosting and magblades

KingYogi415 · September 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

How can you admit almost every emp these days are bomblades then say they are "not that good though."

Do you think a class that can blow up 20 people solo should be better then other classes in a fair 1v1?

Magblades can gank just fine as well, And are needed in zergs for fear.

I see people cry all day on the forum about stam when magic nightblade is truely the AP king.

Maybe when reverse slice is better then proxy det stam would be better then magic.

I don't run a bomb blade though. So I should be punished because I want to run a set that can sustain so I can fight against competitive players? For my playstyle reverse slice is also better than proxy det. Because i can access it whenever I need to. proxy I need to hit so many people for it to hit worth anything. I probably got killed by a bomb blade 2 times in the last month and both times were bridge battles. Becoming emp doesn't mean you are a good player and farming ap doesn't mean you a good player. Literally every stamina class is better than magblade right now

Well thats the way it is. Bomblades can make more AP easyer then any other spec. Yes being able to farm tons of AP is killing everyone you see all the time. And Yes that means you are a good player.

xarguideb17_ESO · September 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

And said Templar did crap damage. Your point is ?

It's a support build like the video title says. And my point is I think magicka vs stam is more balanced then alot of people seem to suggest.

Everything has it's trade off.

Your video is proof of nothing on class balance, and misdirection. It's a perfect example of framing one specific fight and applying it to all MAG builds. It's dumb.

ofc *all* magicka builds aren't good, just as all stamina builds aren't good. Magicka DK may be the worst atm, but not by a very large margin, it can be playable also.
It's not dumb. It's an example that magicka doesn't suck.
Dismissing a valid example and calling someone dumb is dumb.

alephthiago · September 2016

Bomb blades are good for that, bombing.....the end.
You need to be looking for big battles and hoping they will be all packed up enough to even be worth it giving it a try and then do your thing.

Its has no sustain, surviving is difficult because everything takes you out of cloack and spamming shields with that terrible magicka regen will get you killled.

If being good at the game comes down to being able to farm ap then maybe coldfire ballistas and trebuchets should be added to build videos.

Abob · September 2016

I'm pretty sure most people that cry about stam vs magicka meta don't even play the game.

Magicka was a lot stronger until the last few patches, in which the game became more balanced, but people that used to dominate due to their magicka class being stupidly strong, now can't accept the fact that stamina classes can actually fight back so the see them as overpowered.

I remember when stamplars were laughed at by every class, especially by magicka sorcs... well, every class was laughed at by magicka sorcs.

It's the same as heavy armor: now that it's viable, one shot wonders cry that it is op because they have to actually think about what they are doing.

KingYogi415 · September 2016

^So much truth!

And to clarify I do think magDK and magsorc need small buffs. But this is most balanced the game has ever been.

Syiccal · September 2016

^^ yea I agree it's only the fact now that ppl don't have stupidly strong sorcs it's said stam is OP. Truth is at the min any class played right can be op against lesser players

Hankrabbit · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Did anyone read my coment about emps being bomb blades like half the time? If magic is so bad why does this one MAGIC class seem to be able to earn more AP faster then any other playstyle in the game?

The sorc in the video with me melting people, and keeping my alive was magic as well.

Things are more balaned then they have ever been. Learn to adapt or die!

you are playing on ps4 NA? if your on EU it is just wrong.

btw. the players on the video have 501 cp. This video isn't up to date. are you kidding us?

Publius_Scipio · September 2016

I can't speak to any other class or meta in the game from a 1st hand experience because since the very beginning I've only played one character, a stamina NB. Since beta, early access, official launch, and forward, I have experienced the ups and downs of stamina NB.

That being said, stamina in general has come a long way in ESO along with the NB class as a whole. And yes there were times and metas when NB's could be categorized by many as being overpowered. I however do not believe that NB's currently are out of line in comparison to the other classes. Especially not stamina NB. My opinion is that magica NB is most likely the "easier" flavor of NB to be successful with.

Lately I have seen around the forums players asking ZOS to bring magica up in order to match the power of stamina. What stamina class is causing this (stam sorcs?)? Surely it's not stamina NBs causing everyone headaches? Besides a very small window to get the burst, I'm not sure what else a stam NB can do besides run and hide. Or simply die. The sustained DPS isn't on the same level as other classes, poor self heals, and with cloak either being quirky or someone simply using a defect pot, the NB pretty much has its pants down around its ankles. A patch or two ago people thought incapacitating strikes were going to be a big deal, but honestly we all know it's not that difficult to dodge that ult over and over.

NBs used to be the mobility class. But I think it's safe to say that the current crop of stam sorcs are better in not only combat mobility but in sustained DPS.

The reality (at least from my perspective) is what could, should, would, a stamina NB do to compete against these tanks in this current meta? I think right now DK and templar tanks are off the charts in what they can do. Especially templars with their ridiculously effective aoe's, tankiness, and DPS ability. I would imagine that even the best players controlling a stam NB against an equally good player with a meta tank, the highest chances are that the stam NB simply won't be able to finish the fight and have to retreat, or the stam NB simply gets beat. The smallest chance I give to the stam NB winning. Most likely the win coming from the tank making a mistake.

So again, I personally don't know why people think magica is so lacking compared to stamina. The only reason I can think of are the flavor of the month stam sorcs running around right now.

KingYogi415 · September 2016

Hankrabbit wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Did anyone read my coment about emps being bomb blades like half the time? If magic is so bad why does this one MAGIC class seem to be able to earn more AP faster then any other playstyle in the game?

The sorc in the video with me melting people, and keeping my alive was magic as well.

Things are more balaned then they have ever been. Learn to adapt or die!

btw. the players on the video have 501 cp. This video isn't up to date. are you kidding us?

It's from 2 months ago. Nothing has changed much since then.

Cronopoly · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

@Cronopoly
Instead of just being a condensending snob you could have added somthing new to the conversation. This thread is about magic not being as weak as everyone posts about.

There was no point in your OP that all of us were not completely unaware of with that class/setup in regards to magicka. You tried misdirection in the title knowing that DPS classes would likely view your thread so you could grandstand and got called on it by several persons. You tried clever. Didn't work out.

I have no need to provide further arguments on this subject of cancer builds that are more about the sets than any skill. The pool here is shallow on this subject and nothing deep to articulate. Sorry you took it personal. I thought you would have had thick skin. Goodbye.

Reykice · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

And said Templar did crap damage. Your point is ?

It's a support build like the video title says. And my point is I think magicka vs stam is more balanced then alot of people seem to suggest.

Everything has it's trade off.

In pure dps its not balanced, stamina is far ahead and easier to play.

For pvp other things matter so magicka is still ok.

JAMESLJNR · September 2016

That was painful to watch, do you know how to maintain stamina? And why are you using Blazing Shield?

KingYogi415 · September 2016

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

That was painful to watch, do you know how to maintain stamina? And why are you using Blazing Shield?

It's a good display at why stam needs some dps. Stam couldnt hold a match for magica for a long time.
Please link a better or equal quallity display of pvp tanking. I like watching eso gameplay!

leepalmer95 · September 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

That was painful to watch, do you know how to maintain stamina? And why are you using Blazing Shield?

It's a good display at why stam needs some dps. Stam couldnt hold a match for magica for a long time.
Please link a better or equal quallity display of pvp tanking. I like watching eso gameplay!

Stam needs dps?

Wut.

Your are literally talking out out of your ass.