Will this game ever really be fixed?

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

Look another " I hate this game and ZoS" thread..... Go hear the complaining about the new WoW xpac bugs and that has been the most successful MMO for 10 years.

It happens, and will happen. Does it suck? Yes it does.

YOU either choose to play it or not.

Rhaegar75 · September 2016

I'm experiencing massive lag spikes since the august patch....true pain!!!,

itscompton · September 2016

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Look another " I hate this game and ZoS" thread..... Go hear the complaining about the new WoW xpac bugs and that has been the most successful MMO for 10 years.

It happens, and will happen. Does it suck? Yes it does.

YOU either choose to play it or not.

If we hated the game do you really think we'd take the time to come discuss and comment about it? No, we LOVE the game, probably way more than you with your "whatever just bend over and take it" attitude, and it's upsetting when it's basic code is so badly broken it makes it nearly impossible to play.

ThePaleItalian · September 2016

itscompton wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Look another " I hate this game and ZoS" thread..... Go hear the complaining about the new WoW xpac bugs and that has been the most successful MMO for 10 years.

It happens, and will happen. Does it suck? Yes it does.

YOU either choose to play it or not.

If we hated the game do you really think we'd take the time to come discuss and comment about it? No, we LOVE the game, probably way more than you with your "whatever just bend over and take it" attitude, and it's upsetting when it's basic code is so badly broken it makes it nearly impossible to play.

Trust me I have mad love for this game. Subbed since beta on PC and moved to PS4. The lag and bugs have gotten so much better. Are there issues? yes there are.

I run into issues at times during PvP when there are a ton of players around. I run into bugs where NPC's do not spawn or issues with quests as well. But this post does nothing than have people bashing the company.

daswahnsinn · September 2016

This can't be the first game you've played made under ZeniMax Media Inc? The beloved Skyrim, released November 11, 2011, still has bugs that can break a play through to were you have to start a new game if you really want that specific quest completed or obtain a certain item without console commands. The sad truth of today's game industry is to make a game and release it regardless if it has major bugs.

A good example is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, I played through the game and spent 45 hours on my first play through to find myself not being able to completed the game. I kill the last boss but the game didn't take that into account and still told me to kill him to complete the last mission. I was highly pissed. Another game I pre-ordered for 60$ and it is bugged badly. High FPS drops, audio drops, random crashes, sounds familiar?

This is what we as consumers accept as a product and once we buy it we really other have to say we it's still fun for the most part, not play it and accept the loss, or try to get a refund.

Pibbles wrote: »

daswahnsinn wrote: »

This can't be the first game you've played made under ZeniMax Media Inc? The beloved Skyrim, released November 11, 201, still has bugs that can break a play through .

Gosh, that was released a long time ago. You'd think they'd have fixed it in the last 1800 years.

jao0199 · September 2016

at least lets hope one tamriel fixes more bugs and less fps drops/lag issues.

Troneon · September 2016

Well it's been nothing but crashes, bugs and exploits as well as big chunks of the game staying broken for months or longer on and off like the group finder, pvp and other things....since BETA....

So I think that answers your question...

If anything it will probably get worse as we have seen since most of the focus seems to be on the crown store and monetization...

raglau · September 2016

daswahnsinn wrote: »

This can't be the first game you've played made under ZeniMax Media Inc? The beloved Skyrim, released November 11, 201, still has bugs that can break a play through .

Gosh, that was released a long time ago. You'd think they'd have fixed it in the last 1800 years.

jircris11 · September 2016

Blackbird71 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

To those who think they are entitled to something because they pay money allow me to direct you to most of the products we buy in real life. most do not even work, some do not work as advertised YET we still continue to buy these same products. I have been here since beta and yes the game has gotten better, at launch there where main quests that where broken thus stopping you from even progressing. I do not mind those of you who wish to voice your dissatisfaction but remember no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay them monthly or even continue playing their game. If you do not enjoy your time on ESO then leave, other then that quiet down and play the game. Besides even IF they where to push 3-4 patches per week imagine all the people complaining then. server goes down once weekly and people raise hell over it because they pay 15 a month for eso+. Guess what so do i but i will gladly let that cut in to my time if it means new content or fixes.

I don't know who this "we" is that you're referring to that goes around accepting bad products/service, but whoever they are, they sound like a bunch of idiots. In "real life", when I buy a product that is nonfunctional, or does not work as advertised, it can be returned for a refund. Is ZOS going to start issuing refunds for subscriptions paid whenever things don't work properly? While the game is a virtual world, the product is purchased in "real life" like anything else, and should be subject to the same standards: deliver a working product/service or give refunds.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.

I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.

They don't have an obligation to you personally though. Their service is completely optional to you. You made the choice to pay them, and you have just as much of a choice not to pay them. Frankly you don't have the right to go to someone and tell them they suck at their job cause they're not meeting your irrelevant standards. You work a 12 hour shift job? Good for you. But I bet it's not THEIR job, and just because of that you don't have legitimacy to say they're not trying hard enough.

You are forgetting the other half of the equation: while we each made a choice to pay them, they made the choice to accept our money, and by doing so have obligated themselves to their part of the contract, which is to provide a working product. If they are not fulfilling that contract after they have accepted payment, then yes, their customers certainly do have a right to complain about the job they are doing. So yes, they do have a personal obligation to each and every paying customer.

name one product in the past two months that you have bought and id did not do as advertised so you returned it and made a difference in the products line. Actually let me answer that for you, NONE. Complaining that a game that you are taking your time to play is "buggy" yet still continuing to play it is a waste of your time and everyone else apparently. If you want to make a difference then quit the game ask for a refund and go about your way. Looking at your form level it is quite clear you have not been with ESO for very long, if you have been you would be able to actually see a massive improvement compared to what it use to be. As mentioned in my last post that for some reason you decided to nit pick through in stead of reading as a whole, in no way am i defending eso. i am simply growing tired of self entitled people thinking they are owed something. ESO has been out long enough for you to know what you are buying and yet you failed to do research, get over it and move on.

Drakoleon · September 2016

Draven147 wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.

I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.

This sense of entitlement is what is wrong with the world. You bought the product willingly you played it and saw what the state of the game was like and you stayed. At no point in time ever did anyone at ZoS force you to keep playing the game. ZoS doesn't owe you a god dam thing. If you choose to keep playing the game like the rest of us then you choose to accept it with all its flaws. If this game isn't up to your standards then walk away and check back every patch to see if it's improved any. There are many man other options out there.

This kind of "logic" is what makes gaming companies selling CRAP and your "kind" of customer is the ideal "victim"!!!
Congrats.....and keep buying every crap they're selling without complain!

AnviOfVai · September 2016

Answer to your question: Multiplayer games are *never fixed* improved, but never fully fixed.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

Hm... To be honest with you? If you mean fixed as in: Bug-free, exploit-free, lag-free, etc.? No. At least from a realistic point-of-view, bruh. But, if you meant your question as a means of will the game get better over time? Yes, I think so. Or rather I'd hope so.

raglau · September 2016

jircris11 wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

To those who think they are entitled to something because they pay money allow me to direct you to most of the products we buy in real life. most do not even work, some do not work as advertised YET we still continue to buy these same products. I have been here since beta and yes the game has gotten better, at launch there where main quests that where broken thus stopping you from even progressing. I do not mind those of you who wish to voice your dissatisfaction but remember no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay them monthly or even continue playing their game. If you do not enjoy your time on ESO then leave, other then that quiet down and play the game. Besides even IF they where to push 3-4 patches per week imagine all the people complaining then. server goes down once weekly and people raise hell over it because they pay 15 a month for eso+. Guess what so do i but i will gladly let that cut in to my time if it means new content or fixes.

I don't know who this "we" is that you're referring to that goes around accepting bad products/service, but whoever they are, they sound like a bunch of idiots. In "real life", when I buy a product that is nonfunctional, or does not work as advertised, it can be returned for a refund. Is ZOS going to start issuing refunds for subscriptions paid whenever things don't work properly? While the game is a virtual world, the product is purchased in "real life" like anything else, and should be subject to the same standards: deliver a working product/service or give refunds.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.

I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.

They don't have an obligation to you personally though. Their service is completely optional to you. You made the choice to pay them, and you have just as much of a choice not to pay them. Frankly you don't have the right to go to someone and tell them they suck at their job cause they're not meeting your irrelevant standards. You work a 12 hour shift job? Good for you. But I bet it's not THEIR job, and just because of that you don't have legitimacy to say they're not trying hard enough.

You are forgetting the other half of the equation: while we each made a choice to pay them, they made the choice to accept our money, and by doing so have obligated themselves to their part of the contract, which is to provide a working product. If they are not fulfilling that contract after they have accepted payment, then yes, their customers certainly do have a right to complain about the job they are doing. So yes, they do have a personal obligation to each and every paying customer.

name one product in the past two months that you have bought and id did not do as advertised so you returned it and made a difference in the products line. Actually let me answer that for you, NONE.

You can't answer that for all of us.

Last month I stayed at a hotel with less than superb service and I wrote it up on Tripadvisor. The hotel responded and in fact changed the two elements of their process that caused the issue, and updated their website to reflect this.

Last week I closed a relatively long running dispute with a garage who'd done some work on one of my cars but had neglected to diagnose something fairly elementary. This got a bit nasty and I was about to take these people to court. The garage capitulated, refunded me, and now include this specific diagnostic item as part of their workflow.

Complaining about, and rejecting, products and services can, and does, change products and services for the better. Not all the time, but you cannot make the assumption that it's none of the time.

AnviOfVai · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Hm... To be honest with you? If you mean fixed as in: Bug-free, exploit-free, lag-free, etc.? No. At least from a realistic point-of-view, bruh. But, if you meant your question as a means of will the game get better over time? Yes, I think so. Or rather I'd hope so.

BRUHHH SENT A MESSAGE BEHIND ME *faints*

TheShadowScout · September 2016

davidj8291 wrote: »

Will this game ever really be fixed?

No.

If they would ever manage to "fix" everything, there will be new things to "fix" with every update.
Worse, what one person considers "fixed", another considers "broken", so a great many things will forever remain a compromise that noone may be completerly happy with, but all the various opinions can sort of live with.
So, bad question.

Better question - "Will this game get better?"
And from whzat I have seen in these two years... Yes, it DOES get better, all the time. And there is still a lot of room for more improvements to be made during the coming years...

So... I am content, for the most part, this game is no less "faulty" then any others, and way more fun to play!

jircris11 · September 2016

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Answer to your question: Multiplayer games are *never fixed* improved, but never fully fixed.

beat me to it lol

kevlarto_ESO · September 2016

As with all mmo's there will be things fixed things broken, will the game ever be completely fix has not happened any where with any mmo yet, there will be improvements, and set backs, such is the life of the online gamer.

Jimboo84 · September 2016

Name 1 game which is bugless.

Noisivid · September 2016

Pibbles wrote: »

daswahnsinn wrote: »

This can't be the first game you've played made under ZeniMax Media Inc? The beloved Skyrim, released November 11, 201, still has bugs that can break a play through .

Gosh, that was released a long time ago. You'd think they'd have fixed it in the last 1800 years.

don't get your hopes up; most people just can't code in Latin ++ anymore.

as far as ESO, there seem to be some issues baked into the original coding/architecture and I don't think too many of the original people are still working on it are there anymore. I would think this would make untangling the issues more problematic.

I think it's generally gotten better over time though, other than the lag spikes after the Aug update. It will probably never be completely "fixed" though.

starsands · September 2016

No.

Preyfar · September 2016

Yes. ESO has come a long way since launch, and the devs had almost made a complete 180 in the game's direction. One Tamriel is a further extension of that. There's still some serious issues and major imbalances (VMA duel wield, I'm looking at you) but it's in a much better place than it was a year ago, and vastly better than it was two years ago.

I think the greater underlying problem which makes fixes harder is the engine is as efficient as the devs would like to be able to make changes. There's undoubtedly far too many subsystems that rely on X, Y and Z to be changed when all you want to do is update A. And it sucks, honestly, but these issues are the kind that can get ironed out and refined over time.

It's not perfect. Far from perfect. But ZOS has put a hell of a lot of work into righting the wrongs of the past. I don't agree with everything they do (Training and Prosperous, WHY, OH GOD, WHY?!) but I think they've come far.

kongkim · September 2016

Will any MMORPG Ever really be fixed 100%?

antihero727 · September 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS is constantly taking an accounting of things that need to be looked at. I don't think the devs are getting paid for doing nothing. Also the reality is sometimes fixes can't be ready and released as fast as players would like. Our sense of time for fixes as players is probably not realistic in the world the devs operate in.

Agreed. They do have to take a look at everything and schedule them appropriately, especially considering the approval process they have to go through with Microsoft and Sony for updates.

If they listened to the community & hired professional testers it might be easier to fix bugs while in PTS before it goes live. Who in their right mind live betas a game for 3 years, ZOS? We still have bugs from beta 1 going into beta 3 right now. One day this game will be ready for launch. Unless your pve only we don't have even a slightly polished product.

Nysara · September 2016

The fanboys doesn't know one thing for sure, WE. ARE. PAYING. ACTUAL. MONEY. TO. THIS. GAME!

So trying to lick ZoS boots won't give you anything or free gold. So seriously stop believing they are nice company and actually fix anything lol.

A similiar example; I'm fan of a some football team, we had a goalkeeper at his young but he does SO many mistakes in every match so we always protesting him in field and out he kept his distant attitude on fans but eventually he failed hard on an important match then we fans outraged and had to forced our way into field and attempted to catch that goalkeeper that was running away from so many fans. Later we bought new goalkeeper but he was not better. Eventually that goalkeeper took the position back with WORKING HARD and IMPROVISE after so many years.

Now he is best *** goalkeeper our team has for years.

For similiarity, ZoS is like that goalkeeper. Never listens players and under strict "professionalism" they losing players each passing days due to extreme stupidness and being not so "professional". Cannot explain with word but to you see through life's experience. Hope you get my meaning lol.

So don't expect any fix or ever soon. This game is sick and slowly dying thanks to huge mistakes.

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

You know what's sad here? Everyone that hates Zenimax and wants to see them all fired and replaced knows nothing about what's really going on. Also some valid points made and to be made:

1. EVERY MMORPG is NEVER bug-free.
2. Do we pay real money to ESO? Yes. Do we pay real money to other MMOs that ALSO have issues? Yes. Moot point? Definitely!
3. Bug fixes are not done with the magical press of a button. Just because another company can fix THEIR issues sooner than Zenimax can fix these doesn't make Zenimax inferior. In fact, those games differ drastically from TESO: TU in both hardware and content. So realistically speaking, comparing Zenimax to other companies is not really fair.

I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, it is likely this game will never be bug-free. It's a TES game after all lol but it is very likely to improve over time. And no, it isn't dying. Those who think it is, what they really mean is it is dying for THEM, or has already died for them.

P.S. The whole fanboy crap people choose to pull just proves all they have is hate, and not solid, factual points. Wanna prove a good point? Do it in a civilized manner, otherwise no one will take it seriously.

Blackbird71 · September 2016

jircris11 wrote: »

Blackbird71 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

To those who think they are entitled to something because they pay money allow me to direct you to most of the products we buy in real life. most do not even work, some do not work as advertised YET we still continue to buy these same products. I have been here since beta and yes the game has gotten better, at launch there where main quests that where broken thus stopping you from even progressing. I do not mind those of you who wish to voice your dissatisfaction but remember no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay them monthly or even continue playing their game. If you do not enjoy your time on ESO then leave, other then that quiet down and play the game. Besides even IF they where to push 3-4 patches per week imagine all the people complaining then. server goes down once weekly and people raise hell over it because they pay 15 a month for eso+. Guess what so do i but i will gladly let that cut in to my time if it means new content or fixes.

I don't know who this "we" is that you're referring to that goes around accepting bad products/service, but whoever they are, they sound like a bunch of idiots. In "real life", when I buy a product that is nonfunctional, or does not work as advertised, it can be returned for a refund. Is ZOS going to start issuing refunds for subscriptions paid whenever things don't work properly? While the game is a virtual world, the product is purchased in "real life" like anything else, and should be subject to the same standards: deliver a working product/service or give refunds.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.

I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.

They don't have an obligation to you personally though. Their service is completely optional to you. You made the choice to pay them, and you have just as much of a choice not to pay them. Frankly you don't have the right to go to someone and tell them they suck at their job cause they're not meeting your irrelevant standards. You work a 12 hour shift job? Good for you. But I bet it's not THEIR job, and just because of that you don't have legitimacy to say they're not trying hard enough.

You are forgetting the other half of the equation: while we each made a choice to pay them, they made the choice to accept our money, and by doing so have obligated themselves to their part of the contract, which is to provide a working product. If they are not fulfilling that contract after they have accepted payment, then yes, their customers certainly do have a right to complain about the job they are doing. So yes, they do have a personal obligation to each and every paying customer.

name one product in the past two months that you have bought and id did not do as advertised so you returned it and made a difference in the products line. Actually let me answer that for you, NONE.

You know what they say about making assumptions. Hint: your answer would be absolutely wrong.

Complaining that a game that you are taking your time to play is "buggy" yet still continuing to play it is a waste of your time and everyone else apparently. If you want to make a difference then quit the game ask for a refund and go about your way.

Is ZOS offering refunds? I'm not aware of it if they are. What I have done is stopped giving them any of my money unless they change course and improve to a level of quality that I am satisfied with. I have made them aware of this, so if ZOS wants my business, they know what they have to do. Whether they do or not will be up to them, and whether I pay them anything further is up to me.

Looking at your form level it is quite clear you have not been with ESO for very long, if you have been you would be able to actually see a massive improvement compared to what it use to be.

Forum level and participation is not necessarily a true measure of experience with a game. Again, you really seem to be trying really hard to prove the assumption adage.

As mentioned in my last post that for some reason you decided to nit pick through in stead of reading as a whole, in no way am i defending eso. i am simply growing tired of self entitled people thinking they are owed something. ESO has been out long enough for you to know what you are buying and yet you failed to do research, get over it and move on.

And I am growing tired of people who think they know everything (including the meaning of "entitlement") but are instead often wrong. "Self-entitled" is often used derogatorily when discussing people who expect something for nothing, or feel they are owed something for no other reason than that they exist. However, entitlement itself is not a derogatory term, and it does have valid use cases. Such as, when you enter into a contract with another party in which you pay for a good or service, you are in fact entitled to receive said good or service according to the terms of the contract (assuming of course you have fulfilled your part of the contract by making the agreed upon payment). If the other party does not deliver the good or service, or it is not functioning to the standards agreed upon, or they instead deliver a different product than agreed upon, then you are most definitely entitled to a refund or replacement, and that sort of entitlement is not a bad thing as it is fully justified by your actions and efforts.

As to "knowing what I was buying," I did in fact do significant research, as I do before getting involved in any game that may become a long-term investment of my time and money. At the time, I was satisfied with what I saw. However, what the game was at that time and what it is now are two very different things, and upcoming changes are aimed to separate those two even further. In most industries, being sold one product and then having that product changed for something else would be considered a fraudulent business practice, yet for over a decade now MMOs have been getting away with it, primarily because their customers have allowed them to do so with rationalizations such as the ones you offer.

Blackbird71 · September 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You know what's sad here? Everyone that hates Zenimax and wants to see them all fired and replaced knows nothing about what's really going on. Also some valid points made and to be made:

1. EVERY MMORPG is NEVER bug-free.
2. Do we pay real money to ESO? Yes. Do we pay real money to other MMOs that ALSO have issues? Yes. Moot point? Definitely!
3. Bug fixes are not done with the magical press of a button. Just because another company can fix THEIR issues sooner than Zenimax can fix these doesn't make Zenimax inferior. In fact, those games differ drastically from TESO: TU in both hardware and content. So realistically speaking, comparing Zenimax to other companies is not really fair.

I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, it is likely this game will never be bug-free. It's a TES game after all lol but it is very likely to improve over time. And no, it isn't dying. Those who think it is, what they really mean is it is dying for THEM, or has already died for them.

P.S. The whole fanboy crap people choose to pull just proves all they have is hate, and not solid, factual points. Wanna prove a good point? Do it in a civilized manner, otherwise no one will take it seriously.

For me it's not a question of whether the game is bug-free; as you point out that is a fanciful impossibility. It is a matter of whether bugs are accruing faster than they are being solved. With each expansion, with each patch, there will always be new bugs, that is a given for any MMO. The question is what is being done to address them? If new bugs are occurring faster than old bugs are being solved, then the total bug count is ever-increasing. When this happens, a responsible and customer-oriented company will devote more resources to fixing bugs until bugs are being solved faster than they are created, so that the bug count will steadily decrease rather than increase.

For some time now, ESO's bug count and overall quality issues have been going in the wrong direction, and we have had no indication that ZOS is either willing or able to address this properly. Old bugs persist, and new ones pile up. Yes, bugs take time to fix, but there has to be some progress and evidence that bugs are decreasing. At this point, it appears that ZOS either can't or won't devote the resources necessary to address these issues. If they can't, that would indicate that they currently lack the financial means to do so, which does not bode well for the longevity of the game. If they won't, that too is bad as it means they have little respect for their customers or interest in providing a quality experience, and instead are just trying to milk us for as much money as they can take before the whole system crashes and burns.

So yes, comparing ZOS to other companies is fair. If ZOS (or any other company) can address their bugs in a timely manner, and show that the total number of bugs is decreasing, then it is a good indicator of the future quality and life of the game. If they cannot, it would suggest a troubled future for that game and/or company. ZOS having different hardware and software than other companies is irrelevant; what is relevant is how they prioritize the quality of their product.

davidj8291 · September 2016

Draven147 wrote: »

Shogunami wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.

I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.

This sense of entitlement is what is wrong with the world. You bought the product willingly you played it and saw what the state of the game was like and you stayed. At no point in time ever did anyone at ZoS force you to keep playing the game. ZoS doesn't owe you a god dam thing. If you choose to keep playing the game like the rest of us then you choose to accept it with all its flaws. If this game isn't up to your standards then walk away and check back every patch to see if it's improved any. There are many man other options out there.

Keep the chest pounding to a minimum boss.

It's the false sense of telling people they are entitled for paying for a service and expecting sustained performance. You would actually have a point if the game was like it is when I bought it. But it actually worked.

So, yeah. ZOS does owe their paying customers a quality and nondegrading service. I paid for a game that works. I expect it to work more often than not. That's basic economics. This isn't government economics where you have to sit back and wait for whenever they say because they are providing it for you (on your dime still).

I paid for the game and I expect it to function as advertised. So, like I said, keep the chest pounding to a minimum.

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

Blackbird71 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You know what's sad here? Everyone that hates Zenimax and wants to see them all fired and replaced knows nothing about what's really going on. Also some valid points made and to be made:

1. EVERY MMORPG is NEVER bug-free.
2. Do we pay real money to ESO? Yes. Do we pay real money to other MMOs that ALSO have issues? Yes. Moot point? Definitely!
3. Bug fixes are not done with the magical press of a button. Just because another company can fix THEIR issues sooner than Zenimax can fix these doesn't make Zenimax inferior. In fact, those games differ drastically from TESO: TU in both hardware and content. So realistically speaking, comparing Zenimax to other companies is not really fair.

I could go on, but you get my point. Yes, it is likely this game will never be bug-free. It's a TES game after all lol but it is very likely to improve over time. And no, it isn't dying. Those who think it is, what they really mean is it is dying for THEM, or has already died for them.

P.S. The whole fanboy crap people choose to pull just proves all they have is hate, and not solid, factual points. Wanna prove a good point? Do it in a civilized manner, otherwise no one will take it seriously.

For me it's not a question of whether the game is bug-free; as you point out that is a fanciful impossibility. It is a matter of whether bugs are accruing faster than they are being solved. With each expansion, with each patch, there will always be new bugs, that is a given for any MMO. The question is what is being done to address them? If new bugs are occurring faster than old bugs are being solved, then the total bug count is ever-increasing. When this happens, a responsible and customer-oriented company will devote more resources to fixing bugs until bugs are being solved faster than they are created, so that the bug count will steadily decrease rather than increase.

For some time now, ESO's bug count and overall quality issues have been going in the wrong direction, and we have had no indication that ZOS is either willing or able to address this properly. Old bugs persist, and new ones pile up. Yes, bugs take time to fix, but there has to be some progress and evidence that bugs are decreasing. At this point, it appears that ZOS either can't or won't devote the resources necessary to address these issues. If they can't, that would indicate that they currently lack the financial means to do so, which does not bode well for the longevity of the game. If they won't, that too is bad as it means they have little respect for their customers or interest in providing a quality experience, and instead are just trying to milk us for as much money as they can take before the whole system crashes and burns.

So yes, comparing ZOS to other companies is fair. If ZOS (or any other company) can address their bugs in a timely manner, and show that the total number of bugs is decreasing, then it is a good indicator of the future quality and life of the game. If they cannot, it would suggest a troubled future for that game and/or company. ZOS having different hardware and software than other companies is irrelevant; what is relevant is how they prioritize the quality of their product.

You should also keep in mind the rate of expansion of those other games as well as various other factors involving the company itself.

ESO is only a few years old whereas other games are way older and thus do not have much more expansion going for them, if any at all. Zenimax wants to get their content out quicker than normal so that people remain entertained, because frankly endgame is something people do to entertain themselves because they've done everything else that interests them.

Ask anyone and they'll agree that sure ESO has more problems than any other game tends to, or at least games I know of, but that's classic TES for you lol but compared to other TES games this one is vastly superior in terms of less gamebreaking bugs and glitches. Furthermore, once Zenimax stops unloading new content it'll be easier to fix the issues that have plagued the game for years as there will be nothing new to make them resurface.

wolfydog · September 2016

Has there ever been an MMO with open world PVP and sieges that actually worked? I can't say I played ever MMO with PVP out there, but between Age of Conan, Warhammer, this game, I don't think its really ever worked