Why Kena Set is Horrible

LuxLunae · September 2016

So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...

So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA

1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!

You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...

Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

Is that the two piece making everything cost 33% more? What about just 1 piece?

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Is that the two piece making everything cost 33% more? What about just 1 piece?

One piece just increase spell and weapon damage

Destruent · September 2016

Tooltip states the following: Increases cost of all abilities by 33% while active.

This involves all skills which cost magicka, stamina and ultimate. So instead of 100 Ultimate your ult will now need 133. Working as intended, it deosn't take away ultimate points.

Asardes · September 2016

If it's just grain solvents it's a good choice. Kena doesn't make much sense as heavy set

LuxLunae · September 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

pretzl · September 2016

l2p issue

Bryanonymous · September 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Is that the two piece making everything cost 33% more? What about just 1 piece?

One piece just increase spell and weapon damage

Oh, thank the divines. Thought I might have missed a stealth stat or something.

Destruent · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

If it's just grain solvents it's a good choice. Kena doesn't make much sense as heavy set

What does it have to do with heavy armor? It comes in all armor and traits...

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

I've watched it. It doesn't reduce it. The amount of ult you have doesn't reduce but the cost of the ultimate does increase.

Sharee · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...

So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA

1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!

You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...

Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...

Kena says it increases the cost of all abilities, and that includes ultimates.

If an ultimate costs 200, and you have 200 ult stored, UI shows a 100% charge(200 out of 200 needed). But after kena procs, the ult now costs 300**, while you still only have 200 stored, and the UI will show 66% charge (200 out of 300 needed).

It does not take down your ultimate points you have saved, it just increases the cost of the ability.

(** numbers pulled out of my behind just for illustration, not actual cost)

Destruent · September 2016

Sharee wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...

So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA

1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!

You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...

Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...

Kena says it increases the cost of all abilities, and that includes ultimates.

If an ultimate costs 200, and you have 200 ult stored, UI shows a 100% charge(200 out of 200 needed). But after kena procs, the ult now costs 300, while you still only have 200 stored, and the UI will show 66% charge (200 out of 300 needed).

It does not take down your ultimate points you have saved, it just increases the cost of the ability.

Check your maths pls...

Asardes · September 2016

Yep, I know, all monster sets drop in any weight and any trait (except impenetrable now, which can only be bought from the merchant in Cyrodiil). If you're using Kena you are most likely a DD. If you are using mettle and want to optimize the stats, head & shoulders should be either light or medium and only the chest heavy. If you don't have yet a monster piece of those weights, and the heavy one is the only you can use until the right one drops, it's fine.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · September 2016

You peoples Stop doing math so early in the morning. You are making my nose bleed.

Sharee · September 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...

So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA

1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!

You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...

Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...

Kena says it increases the cost of all abilities, and that includes ultimates.

If an ultimate costs 200, and you have 200 ult stored, UI shows a 100% charge(200 out of 200 needed). But after kena procs, the ult now costs 300, while you still only have 200 stored, and the UI will show 66% charge (200 out of 300 needed).

It does not take down your ultimate points you have saved, it just increases the cost of the ability.

Check your maths pls...

I was too slow on the edit.

Jeckll · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

Yelling doesnt change the fact that you are wrong. @Destruent is correct:

Destruent wrote: »

Tooltip states the following: Increases cost of all abilities by 33% while active.

This involves all skills which cost magicka, stamina and ultimate. So instead of 100 Ultimate your ult will now need 133. Working as intended, it deosn't take away ultimate points.

Wollust · September 2016

I remember when Kena used to increase roll dodge cost. Heh.
Anyway, it doesnt reduce your ultimate, it increases the cost of your ultimate. For example meteor cost goes from 200 ult to 266 ult while kena is active. So it requires you to think a little bit.

LuxLunae · September 2016

OK before I say more, I have a question here,

What does the percentages mean in ULTI?

When it says 200% what does it mean by that?

ArchMikem · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

There's a difference between 100 Ultimate, and 100% Ultimate. The former is how much you need, the latter is if it's ready to be cast. When the set procs and you see your percentage drop that just means the cost has increased and you now need to generate a bit more to use it.

Paulington · September 2016

To explain a bit as to why you think it "brings ultimate down", take the following.

Meteor costs 200 ultimate, so let's assume right now that you have 200 ultimate without Kena procced, in this scenario you have 200 ultimate and you can cast meteor, this is shown on the screen as 100%.

Now, let's proc Kena, which increases the cost of everything by 33% and assume you still have 200 ultimate. Meteor now costs 266 ultimate and you can not cast meteor, this is shown on the screen as 75%.

You still have the same amount of ultimate (250) to use on a skill, but the skill itself costs more ultimate and so you cannot cast it. You have not lost anything, the skill just costs more due to Kena's effect but if you were to cast the skill it would hit harder due to Kena's two-piece bonus.

Hope that clears it up a little!

Destruent · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

OK before I say more, I have a question here,

What does the percentages mean in ULTI?

When it says 200% what does it mean by that?

Turn on the ultimate points in your UI settings and check yourself. Should have been the first thing to do rather than opening this thread imo...

LuxLunae · September 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

There's a difference between 100 Ultimate, and 100% Ultimate. The former is how much you need, the latter is if it's ready to be cast. When the set procs and you see your percentage drop that just means the cost has increased and you now need to generate a bit more to use it.

OK so why can Ultimates go up to 200%? and why is it all used in one go?

Cryptical · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

Go turn on the ultimate number, so you can see the actual amount of ultimate you have. The amount of the box that fills up is just a "when can I use it again" gauge.

Destruent · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

There's a difference between 100 Ultimate, and 100% Ultimate. The former is how much you need, the latter is if it's ready to be cast. When the set procs and you see your percentage drop that just means the cost has increased and you now need to generate a bit more to use it.

OK so why can Ultimates go up to 200%? and why is it all used in one go?

Bc different ultimates have different cost?

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

There's a difference between 100 Ultimate, and 100% Ultimate. The former is how much you need, the latter is if it's ready to be cast. When the set procs and you see your percentage drop that just means the cost has increased and you now need to generate a bit more to use it.

OK so why can Ultimates go up to 200%? and why is it all used in one go?

That is an addon displaying that and the reason is that the Overload ult for sorcs is a toggle and instead of using all the ultimate in one go it decreases it with each light and heavy attack from Overload.

I_killed_Vivec · September 2016

How can it be horrible? It makes my werewolf all sparkly electric

juhasman · September 2016

@Paulington quick correction meteor costs 200 ulti.

Paulington · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

@Paulington quick correction meteor costs 200 ulti.

Thanks @Juhasman, my memory was wrong, will edit it momentarily but the point I tried to illustrate was still there hopefully!

visionality · September 2016

Kena is a set that I would never recommend for beginners as it's handling requires some expertise. If you experience the troubles you describe, it's indeed better to use something else. It doesn't make the set bad or horrible, just not right for you.

And no, it does not reduce ultimate.

DocFrost72 · September 2016

LuxLunae wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

It doesn't take ultimate down, it increases the cost. Though it should state on the tooltip that all skill costs are increased during the duration and not just the basic ones.

It takes ULTIMATE DOWN... I can go try and find a video from my Shadowplay vids to show this.. I sat there and PROC'ed Kena.. Upon doing so it lowered the Ultimate... NOT INCREASED ULTIMATE COST!!

Increasing Ultimate Cost in my case would be to have it be Used at 133% instead of 100% NOT taking away my ultimates... What if I want to use it after turning off kena?

There's a difference between 100 Ultimate, and 100% Ultimate. The former is how much you need, the latter is if it's ready to be cast. When the set procs and you see your percentage drop that just means the cost has increased and you now need to generate a bit more to use it.

OK so why can Ultimates go up to 200%? and why is it all used in one go?

While useful in theory to dump ultis like, for example, overload, you eventually run into balance issues.

Imagine spamming dawnbreaker.