Frustrated. Irritated. Pretty ticked off, really.

Morgha_Kul · September 2016

So, I've been playing a fair bit lately, and I've noticed that something I talked about before (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/117884/i-sense-danger-in-the-games-future/p1) is STILL a serious problem.

My character is woefully underequipped. The fundamental reason is that there is NO LOOT. Almsot EVERYTHING I loot is worthless, 0 gold, no crafting xp or materials from deconstruction. That means my character has been unable to purchase gear from the guild traders (or npc traders), as he has no GOLD, and apparently no way to GET gold. He can't make his OWN gear, because he can't get xp for his skills because the gear he's deconstructing is useless. That also means he can't upgrade his gear, because he doesn't get materials (like hemming, turpen, etc) from the looted gear, and has no money to buy the materials.

That the character is so poorly equipped makes doing ANYTHING far more difficult. I won't even TRY the group dungeons, because I know I can't compete or contribute significantly.

It's really disheartening and frustrating.

I warned the devs way back in 2014 when they first did this, that it would hurt the game. It's STILL hurting the game. It's become very hard to enjoy it anymore.

So, unless there's some other way to get an income for the character, this REALLY needs to be changed. Loot taken from enemies, at the VERY least, should always have value. Loot taken from chests in dungeons and the like should ALSO always have value. Otherwise, what is that 0 value stuff even in the game for? It's just using up memory space for no reason.

I know some might not believe me, but this is a pretty serious issue.

a1i3nz · September 2016

All this deconstruction of gear levels up your blacksmithing. So get level 50 blacksmithing, points in extraction, harvest ore nodes and, voila, tempering alloy. Currently it sells for 15-18k a piece.

If you're a lower level (below 160) don't expect awesome drops, and if you do they'll be your level. A lot of the best gear is crafted sets, and a lot of the best non-craftable gear (monster sets, trial drops) come from harder content that you usually need to run dozens of times.

But if you need to make money do what I stated above. Seriously, you can easily make 50-100k a day. Easily.

BrianDavion · September 2016

I'm in full gold 160 gear that I crafted myself, I started playing about 2 months ago. so I;'m not sure what your doing wrong but you have to be doing something

Drdeath20 · September 2016

BrianDavion wrote: »

I'm in full gold 160 gear that I crafted myself, I started playing about 2 months ago. so I;'m not sure what your doing wrong but you have to be doing something

This is impossible.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

gear dropped from mobs all has value. gear from random containers (i.e not treasure chests etc) has no value. solution for you - do not pick up stuff that has no value.

perhaps turn auto loot off? that way you can be a bit more selective about what you loot.

and if you still find you have picked up zero value stuff just destroy it rather than carry it around.

Morgha_Kul · September 2016

Tonight I played for several hours, did a mission chain in Wrothgar (the Draugr chain, with the Dunmer adventurer). I came away from those three hours of play with 3 or 4 items that had value, after defeating MANY Draugrs. I think half of them dropped from the final boss.

EVERYTHING else was 0 value. MOST of it came from enemies, though some came from chests and the like. I never loot items from racks or laying on tables, I know they're 0 value. That loot from chests and enemies is ALSO 0 value is what I'm taking issue with.

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

All this deconstruction of gear levels up your blacksmithing. So get level 50 blacksmithing, points in extraction, harvest ore nodes and, voila, tempering alloy. Currently it sells for 15-18k a piece.

If you're a lower level (below 160) don't expect awesome drops, and if you do they'll be your level. A lot of the best gear is crafted sets, and a lot of the best non-craftable gear (monster sets, trial drops) come from harder content that you usually need to run dozens of times.

But if you need to make money do what I stated above. Seriously, you can easily make 50-100k a day. Easily.

Deconstructing 0 value gear generates 0 xp, so blacksmithing (woodworking/clothing) will not level up.

I'm below 160 (sitting at 97 now, I think), but I expected to see loot appropriate for my level. I don't expect there to be tons of amazing stuff, but I expect there to be SOMETHING.

Perhaps its a bug? I can't imagine that this is how it's supposed to be.

STEVIL · September 2016

Ok so lately i have had one of my characters running thru their gold deshaan cp160 zone.
Running the quests hitting mobs, delves. Might have jumped one dungeon and did jump several world bosses.

Basically for each hour or two of play i came out with about 3k in gold after selling off loot and banking the ruby level drops for decon and keeping the named items. Thats a conservative estimate. Sometimes higher.

Wrothgar is an area i go to farm for loot and mats and drops. its not a zero value place for me.

So i have no idea OP what you are doing that gathers you such zero value loot.

perhaps if you moved off the dlc to run your gold zones?

Gargath · September 2016

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

But if you need to make money do what I stated above. Seriously, you can easily make 50-100k a day. Easily.

Looks like a typo - probably not more than 5-10k a day?

.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, I've been playing a fair bit lately, and I've noticed that something I talked about before (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/117884/i-sense-danger-in-the-games-future/p1) is STILL a serious problem.

My character is woefully underequipped. The fundamental reason is that there is NO LOOT. Almsot EVERYTHING I loot is worthless, 0 gold, no crafting xp or materials from deconstruction. That means my character has been unable to purchase gear from the guild traders (or npc traders), as he has no GOLD, and apparently no way to GET gold. He can't make his OWN gear, because he can't get xp for his skills because the gear he's deconstructing is useless. That also means he can't upgrade his gear, because he doesn't get materials (like hemming, turpen, etc) from the looted gear, and has no money to buy the materials.

That the character is so poorly equipped makes doing ANYTHING far more difficult. I won't even TRY the group dungeons, because I know I can't compete or contribute significantly.

It's really disheartening and frustrating.

I warned the devs way back in 2014 when they first did this, that it would hurt the game. It's STILL hurting the game. It's become very hard to enjoy it anymore.

So, unless there's some other way to get an income for the character, this REALLY needs to be changed. Loot taken from enemies, at the VERY least, should always have value. Loot taken from chests in dungeons and the like should ALSO always have value. Otherwise, what is that 0 value stuff even in the game for? It's just using up memory space for no reason.

I know some might not believe me, but this is a pretty serious issue.

Hm... I see where you're coming from. The only thing I can advise to you is to learn to hustle, and quick. As well as grind all the while hustling. I'll whip-up a thread for you soon, OP.

andreasranasen · September 2016

Gargath wrote: »

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

But if you need to make money do what I stated above. Seriously, you can easily make 50-100k a day. Easily.

Looks like a typo - probably not more than 5-10k a day? .

I can easily make 100k/day if not more. I don't think he did a typo.

phairdon · September 2016

You can't get gold? I've started another character, just reached level 40, made around 70k at this point. Just through doing quests, looting all corpses and finding the odd trove. The 70k excludes money paid for upgrading riding skills.

Coatmagic · September 2016

Drdeath20 wrote: »

BrianDavion wrote: »

I'm in full gold 160 gear that I crafted myself, I started playing about 2 months ago. so I;'m not sure what your doing wrong but you have to be doing something

This is impossible.

No, it is absolutely not impossible. My home server since beta is EU, but last year I decided to try the NA server as well. Knowing the ropes as I do, but starting with nothing, I was able to max all my crafting within a month and a half... and I do not sell on guild traders.

Quests, writs, sticky fingers, skill points in multiple returns from brewing/baking/alchemy... upgrade bank/inventory as you can while spending all remaining gold on the cheapest highest level items you can find to deconstruct (under 100g each).

Because I knew exactly what to do it was so easy it was just silly. Seriously.

FearlessOne_2014 · September 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

But if you need to make money do what I stated above. Seriously, you can easily make 50-100k a day. Easily.

Looks like a typo - probably not more than 5-10k a day? .

I can easily make 100k/day if not more. I don't think he did a typo.

Same here to but that's only because I'm doing Mid-End game content. Doing just low CP zone content may not give as much gold as we thought. In that case OP. Find yourself a full armor and weapon set of Training traited gear. After that just grind the living hell out of the CPs till 160. After 160 gold just seams to come to you, at least this is the case with myself that is.

Pepper8Jack · September 2016

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So, I've been playing a fair bit lately, and I've noticed that something I talked about before (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/117884/i-sense-danger-in-the-games-future/p1) is STILL a serious problem.

My character is woefully underequipped. The fundamental reason is that there is NO LOOT. Almsot EVERYTHING I loot is worthless, 0 gold, no crafting xp or materials from deconstruction. That means my character has been unable to purchase gear from the guild traders (or npc traders), as he has no GOLD, and apparently no way to GET gold. He can't make his OWN gear, because he can't get xp for his skills because the gear he's deconstructing is useless. That also means he can't upgrade his gear, because he doesn't get materials (like hemming, turpen, etc) from the looted gear, and has no money to buy the materials.

That the character is so poorly equipped makes doing ANYTHING far more difficult. I won't even TRY the group dungeons, because I know I can't compete or contribute significantly.

It's really disheartening and frustrating.

I warned the devs way back in 2014 when they first did this, that it would hurt the game. It's STILL hurting the game. It's become very hard to enjoy it anymore.

So, unless there's some other way to get an income for the character, this REALLY needs to be changed. Loot taken from enemies, at the VERY least, should always have value. Loot taken from chests in dungeons and the like should ALSO always have value. Otherwise, what is that 0 value stuff even in the game for? It's just using up memory space for no reason.

I know some might not believe me, but this is a pretty serious issue.

Not sure if this is entirely relevant to what your complaint is, but itemization and gear drops in general will be overhauled with the launch of One Tamriel in the next month or so. If you have some time, head over to the PTS patch notes and read them over for the details, but the general idea is that all dropped gear pieces will be set items which will allow people to put together builds much more quickly.

I do want to point out though that there is no gear piece in the game that yields 0 inspiration when deconstructed, regardless of its value. Your respective crafting level may be high enough that the amount of experience you gained from the deconstruction didn't appear to move the experience bar, but you did still receive experience

Bonzodog01 · September 2016

I guess the OP is not questing, but trying to level through grinding.

See, for a new player, you will get the better stuff from questing, and all quests award gold. Sometimes its only a few hundred gold, but it soon adds up.

For your first char, I would advise going full on completionist. Do every quest, and you will soon start getting a full inventory every 10 quests or so, with nearly all green and in the higher zones, blue gear that is worth something, and will give you XP for deconstruction.

Also, it will award a skill point for each of the main story quest parts in each zone, and you will skill points for every 3 skyshards you find. From the starter islands alone, there is 4 skill points available (2 from the 3 skyshards you find on each island, or if you are AD, Khenarthis roost has 6 skyshards on it).

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

I just posted something for you, OP. Hopefully this should help: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/290888/champs-cheat-sheet-to-success-in-eso#latest

Majic · September 2016

It's super easy to make money in ESO.

Just send me 100,000 gold in-game to find out how!

Iselin · September 2016

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

Not sure if this is entirely relevant to what your complaint is, but itemization and gear drops in general will be overhauled with the launch of One Tamriel in the next month or so. If you have some time, head over to the PTS patch notes and read them over for the details, but the general idea is that all dropped gear pieces will be set items which will allow people to put together builds much more quickly.

No, not all dropped gear. Only dropped gear from delve mini-bosses, public dungeon bosses, dolmens chests, some quest rewards from major zone quests and advanced or master chests (lower difficulty ones also have a chance but it's small) will be of one of the three sets per zone. A lot better than before to be sure, but you'll still get a lot of junk non-set drops.

If anything, the non-set drops are all the more disappointing now because you'll be wanting to complete your 5 piece sets in the zone as the new PVE meta especially while leveling. Also you can expect the zones where the best sets drop to be invaded by CP160+ hordes going after the sets.. I pity those bosses

MornaBaine · September 2016

I can't see how you are getting stuff worth 0 gold from mobs you kill. even white items have a small gold value.

FearlessOne_2014 · September 2016

Majic wrote: »

It's super easy to make money in ESO.

Just send me 100,000 gold in-game to find out how!

Was you one of the players in Eve Online, that is see spamming Jita local chat? If not, then you should really look into that.

I'll give you a insightful vote for somewhat classy troll post.

ArchMikem · September 2016

Go to the Gold Coast, get the Blade of Woe, go into Anvil Castle and just start stabbing and stealing up and down the walls. You can make thousands in an hour or two.