That's not a macro... That's just rebinding your keybinds... Which you can do in game...

That is my thought, as well, but I have to admit that this is the first time I have heard of this.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I don't understand the question at all .

ok, i dunno how many ways to put it, but ill try.

Right now, with no changes, if you click your left mouse button, the client (game) sees a left mouse button input, if you click the r key, the game sees the R input. my question is, is it against tos to make the game see (using allowed software) that if you press your left mouse button once the game sees the left mouse button input, but the next time you press you left mouse button the game sees the R input.

I actually understand the other (against the rules) side, that it is using software that could give an advantage. My side is that currently multiple add ons allowed by ESO from the start of the game, allow you to do similar, and in the history of MMO's and i can't find the thread, but early on in this one if i recall correctly, as long as 1 button pressed equaled one action, all was well.


ETA: i am being somewhat vague in terms, because i've always referred to it as "step macros", but that could easily be confused because one could easily (even with allowed software) make a macro that automatically progresses steps performing multiple actions with a single button press-which has always been wrong as far as I know)

The way keyboards work is by sending scan codes from the keyboard or mouse to the O/S on a processing interrupt. Nothing in game can tell what exact button or keypress caused the scan code to be sent form the keyboard.

Changes to what scancode is associated to each key or mouse button at any given time is beyond the scope of the game.

Like someone said earlier anti-cheat software looks at the rate of key presses which macro users have historically sent key presses for multiple separate keys in rapid succession way faster than a human ever could.

Most Pros are macro'd to the hilt in PVP. I never have and in turn I'm considered slow on the draw in PVP for back to back keypresses. To me it's like an ignored level of cheating.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

The way keyboards work is by sending scan codes from the keyboard or mouse to the O/S on a processing interrupt. Nothing in game can tell what exact button or keypress caused the scan code to be sent form the keyboard.

Changes to what scancode is associated to each key or mouse button at any given time is beyond the scope of the game.

Like someone said earlier anti-cheat software looks at the rate of key presses which macro users have historically sent key presses for multiple separate keys in rapid succession way faster than a human ever could.

Most Pros are macro'd to the hilt in PVP. I never have and in turn I'm considered slow on the draw in PVP for back to back keypresses. To me it's like an ignored level of cheating.

I don't deny that macros are used in eso, but to say most pros are macro'd to the hilt is assuming a lot. I would never call myself pro but I have no issues with the speed of combat in pvp, and my only tool is a razer naga. Don't underestimate the advantage of having all your skills, weapon swap and break free under your thumb, as opposed to having to stretch your wasd hand to the number keys. I swear players with regular mice are accusing mmo mouse users of cheating, couldn't say how often but I'm sure it happens.

yes, but one of the others argued my method was cheating because it "removed the human element of having to reach from one key to the other" liked the naga and nage hex, love the g600.

Greysun wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

The way keyboards work is by sending scan codes from the keyboard or mouse to the O/S on a processing interrupt. Nothing in game can tell what exact button or keypress caused the scan code to be sent form the keyboard.

Changes to what scancode is associated to each key or mouse button at any given time is beyond the scope of the game.

Like someone said earlier anti-cheat software looks at the rate of key presses which macro users have historically sent key presses for multiple separate keys in rapid succession way faster than a human ever could.

Most Pros are macro'd to the hilt in PVP. I never have and in turn I'm considered slow on the draw in PVP for back to back keypresses. To me it's like an ignored level of cheating.

I don't deny that macros are used in eso, but to say most pros are macro'd to the hilt is assuming a lot. I would never call myself pro but I have no issues with the speed of combat in pvp, and my only tool is a razer naga. Don't underestimate the advantage of having all your skills, weapon swap and break free under your thumb, as opposed to having to stretch your wasd hand to the number keys. I swear players with regular mice are accusing mmo mouse users of cheating, couldn't say how often but I'm sure it happens.

yes, but one of the others argued my method was cheating because it "removed the human element of having to reach from one key to the other" liked the naga and nage hex, love the g600.

My response to that is; you still need to build muscle memory and then rely on it, so it's not cheating. The buttons on the side of the naga are quite close together and all feel the same when you first use it. To become proficient at pressing the correct button while looking at the screen you need to practice, just like with a keyboard. The only difference is the distance your thumb has to move between buttons makes it faster. People who play fps bind their keys so that they never have to take their fingers off wasd. It's not cheating, it just means they'll never be in a situation where they can't move in one direction.

A quote from maelstrom arena

“no cheating, actually go ahead and cheat!”

subliminal messages........

i got the generoc macro's are against tos, read the tos. email. SO will guess that they consider it wrong or they also have trouble understanding what I am asking, especially since you can do it with approved addons, which will be the way i continue to do it.

TheDarkoil wrote: »

I don't see how this can be advantageous to combat, is this like a work around to only having 2 extra mouse keys or something?

in my case it was/is skipping the potion/quick access slot addons and just doing it locally, press button 1 to select "health" press 1 again to use potion, 2 for stam or weapon power or whatever, also for weaving or for anything that you would do every time you would do something in sequence every time(which macroing your entire rotation like this is incredibly stupid, because it is all too conditional). Im torn, because if it is against TOS i would feel bad, but considering the length of its been done and the addons that do similar things, that are even more automated that are allowed and pass qc, then we'll see.