One thing that bugs me about the Elder Scrolls Online

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

I've been playing Elder Scrolls Online since beta one thing that bugs after playing all three factions is the fact that death has no meaning in the game not death in Character by gaming standards but death in the universe, for instance the people of Tamriel die in the physical world but they're not dead, dead means to cease existence itself but when you die in Tamriel you're technically still existing just not in the physical form but in a Spirit form, so why do people of Tamriel fear death when you know that you're not dead you're still alive just in a different form so that shouldn't be as heartbreaking and feared as it is in our real world, it doesn't make any logical sense when death in Tamriel just means life and another format, if I lived in Tamriel I will not fear death nor be saddened by the death of my loved one because you know you are going to reconnect with them in existence in a different form I fail to see the logic of fearing death if I was a resident of Tamriel

Rohamad_Ali · September 2016

I don't think they see all the ghosts and spirits , only we do being vestiges or somethings . I am no spirit lore expert though .

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · September 2016

Maybe because in spirit form there's nothing to do?

Nothing to taste, drink, kill, kiss, feel, etc. Maybe I'm wrong but this is my take.

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

Not all people become ghosts or spirits though. Some actually do pass on to their respective afterlives.

dem0n1k · September 2016

It's a game. If no one died ever it would be very boring. If you could die but couldn't respawn, it would be very frustrating & no one would play it for very long.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

I would agree with some of your points but in the game itself there's many occasions throughout the storyline on all 3 factions when living residents of Tamriel actually speak and connect with their dead loved ones as if they know death only means death in the physical form and continued existence after death, to me that's enough to give me Comfort if I knew that in my physical world that I can speak to my dead grandmother I would never fear death in the physical world because I would then know that there is life after death just in a different form

Seratopia · September 2016

Now you got me anxious about death irl all over again.

Thanks lol.

But back on topic, I think the people of tamriel do have their own religions and it's comparable to the religions we have in our world that some believe in a place we go when we pass on as comfort. If I recall correctly when a spirit comes to someone in eso they usually gasp and can't believe their eyes signifying there is a doubt of an afterlife.

I am in no way familiar with the lore. I am just judging by my experience with the various game's storylines.

On a side note this topic got me sad.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

Dem0n1k I wasn't talking about death from a player's perspective I totally agree with what you're saying I was talking about death in the storyline of Tamriel all the NPCs itself

Abeille · September 2016

There are several downgrades for being dead.

1 - Not everybody sees you.
2 - You can be bound and be forced to serve the whims of some mage, and no one will bat an eye.
3 - You can be soul trapped on death and sent to the Soul Cairn. Trust me, you wouldn't want to go there.
4 - You don't always come back to the mortal plane - many spirits do not seem to have any control over it, actually. Some even keep reliving the moments before their deaths eternally, unable to move on.
5 - You don't experience the same sensations the living do.
6 - You have little influence on your surroundings. Generally, life happens around you and you are not part of it, although it is not the same for all ghosts.

I'm sure other people can think of other downgrades. But to me, the main one is the little control you have over yourself and everything around you.

Also:

Seratopia wrote: »

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

This is really, really far from the truth. The Altmer are extremely religious and they take their faith really seriously. I imagine you didn't go to Auridon yet? There are a bunch of NPC priests near the temple of Auri-El, their main deity.

The races of Tamriel are generally very religious. As far as I know, the only race that was notable for not following any deities was the Dwemer, but they are long gone by now.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

In the universe of Tamriel death is nothing more than sending your kids off to college, you're not going to see them till next Christmas, as most parents we are saddened by our children going off to college because we're not going to see them for a while but we can speak to them on the phone AKA speaking to Spirits , but we are going to see them eventually, in a nutshell residents of Tamriel truly never die they just died in the physical form in the world of Tamriel but they are going to see their loved again, that being said death is not permanent but temporary or a temporary sadness, the residents of Tamriel feel nothing more than a bon voyage when it comes to death.

SirAndy · September 2016

Punctuation saves posts!

Seratopia · September 2016

Abeille wrote: »

There are several downgrades for being dead.

1 - Not everybody sees you.
2 - You can be bound and be forced to serve the whims of some mage, and no one will bat an eye.
3 - You can be soul trapped on death and sent to the Soul Cairn. Trust me, you wouldn't want to go there.
4 - You don't always come back to the mortal plane - many spirits do not seem to have any control over it, actually. Some even keep reliving the moments before their deaths eternally, unable to move on.
5 - You don't experience the same sensations the living do.
6 - You have little influence on your surroundings. Generally, life happens around you and you are not part of it, although it is not the same for all ghosts.

I'm sure other people can think of other downgrades. But to me, the main one is the little control you have over yourself and everything around you.

Also:

Seratopia wrote: »

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

This is really, really far from the truth. The Altmer are extremely religious and they take their faith really seriously. I imagine you didn't go to Auridon yet? There are a bunch of NPC priests near the temple of Auri-El, their main deity.

The races of Tamriel are generally very religious. As far as I know, the only race that was notable for not following any deities was the Dwemer, but they are long gone by now.

Oh, where in the heck did I read that from then. I could've sworn high elves had no religion. I will be sure to edit my post. Thanks for the clarification!

Edit: I have been to Auridon. Im 600+ cp

My SO didn't give me time to read dialogue or get into the story lines in depth like I would have.

RinaldoGandolphi · September 2016

Seratopia wrote: »

Now you got me anxious about death irl all over again.

Thanks lol.

But back on topic, I think the people of tamriel do have their own religions and it's comparable to the religions we have in our world that some believe in a place we go when we pass on as comfort. If I recall correctly when a spirit comes to someone in eso they usually gasp and can't believe their eyes signifying there is a doubt of an afterlife.

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

I am in no way familiar with the lore. I am just judging by my experience with the various game's storylines.

On a side note this topic got me sad.

The Altmer kinda want to unmake the Mundas, uncoil the snake so to speak. If they can they believe they can ascend back to their immortality much like how Auriel ascended. Auriel kinda split though as Akatosh is the human aspect of Auriel, seperate beings yet occupy the same space and station.

The Void Nights of the 4th era in Skyrim was the Thalmor(Altmer) messing with the moons(Lorhkan' body) attempted to unravel creation.

The Altmer see the physical world as a trap, a tripping stone, one they wish to escape from and they believe if they can de activate all of the towers in Tamriel(Adamantine, Crystal-Law-like, Green Sap, White gold,etc they can un make the world and re ascend to their former glory before Lorhkan tricked the Aedra into giving up most of their power and immortality to create Nirn.

Abeille · September 2016

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

In the universe of Tamriel death is nothing more than sending your kids off to college, you're not going to see them till next Christmas, as most parents we are saddened by our children going off to college because we're not going to see them for a while but we can speak to them on the phone AKA speaking to Spirits , but we are going to see them eventually, in a nutshell residents of Tamriel truly never die they just died in the physical form in the world of Tamriel but they are going to see their loved again, that being said death is not permanent but temporary or a temporary sadness, the residents of Tamriel feel nothing more than a bon voyage when it comes to death.

Not everybody goes to the same place after death in Tamriel, and not everybody can see every spirit. As I mentioned, you can be soul trapped and be sent to the Soul Cairn. You can end up in a plane of Oblivion, subject to a Daedric Prince's whims. You can be stuck forever in the mortal plane, invisible to your loved ones. You can die like a true Nord and go to Sovngarde, or be a Redguard and go to the Far Shores. You can be a Bosmer Oathbreaker and be forever trapped in the Ooze.

It is not nearly as certain as you think it is.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

@Sir Andy I apologize for my lack of punctuation I'm actually doing this over my phone using voice command.

Majic · September 2016

Death has meaning. It just doesn't have the meaning you want.

Wreuntzylla · September 2016

As the vestige, we regain corporeal form after each death.

We are Daedra.

Abeille · September 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Now you got me anxious about death irl all over again.

Thanks lol.

But back on topic, I think the people of tamriel do have their own religions and it's comparable to the religions we have in our world that some believe in a place we go when we pass on as comfort. If I recall correctly when a spirit comes to someone in eso they usually gasp and can't believe their eyes signifying there is a doubt of an afterlife.

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

I am in no way familiar with the lore. I am just judging by my experience with the various game's storylines.

On a side note this topic got me sad.

The Altmer kinda want to unmake the Mundas, uncoil the snake so to speak. If they can they believe they can ascend back to their immortality much like how Auriel ascended. Auriel kinda split though as Akatosh is the human aspect of Auriel, seperate beings yet occupy the same space and station.

The Void Nights of the 4th era in Skyrim was the Thalmor(Altmer) messing with the moons(Lorhkan' body) attempted to unravel creation.

The Altmer see the physical world as a trap, a tripping stone, one they wish to escape from and they believe if they can de activate all of the towers in Tamriel(Adamantine, Crystal-Law-like, Green Sap, White gold,etc they can un make the world and re ascend to their former glory before Lorhkan tricked the Aedra into giving up most of their power and immortality to create Nirn.

Just dropping by to say that, while this is a central point of discussion in MK-Oriented communities, this never made it into the games and technically isn't canon.

Besides, remember that even if it was canon, that would be the 4th Era Thalmor Government, not the Altmer. There is a strong opposition in Alinor* in the 4th Era, and the Thalmor are pursuing and killing their own people because of it. Just letting people know, because there is enough hate towards the Altmer already from people who played Skyrim and missed the information on the growing opposition, and therefore think Altmer and Thalmor are interchangeable terms.

*"Alinor" used to be just the name of their capital, but the Thalmor Government changed the name of the Summerset Isles to Alinor in the 4th Era.

Thevampirenight · September 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Now you got me anxious about death irl all over again.

Thanks lol.

But back on topic, I think the people of tamriel do have their own religions and it's comparable to the religions we have in our world that some believe in a place we go when we pass on as comfort. If I recall correctly when a spirit comes to someone in eso they usually gasp and can't believe their eyes signifying there is a doubt of an afterlife.

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

I am in no way familiar with the lore. I am just judging by my experience with the various game's storylines.

On a side note this topic got me sad.

The Altmer kinda want to unmake the Mundas, uncoil the snake so to speak. If they can they believe they can ascend back to their immortality much like how Auriel ascended. Auriel kinda split though as Akatosh is the human aspect of Auriel, seperate beings yet occupy the same space and station.

The Void Nights of the 4th era in Skyrim was the Thalmor(Altmer) messing with the moons(Lorhkan' body) attempted to unravel creation.

The Altmer see the physical world as a trap, a tripping stone, one they wish to escape from and they believe if they can de activate all of the towers in Tamriel(Adamantine, Crystal-Law-like, Green Sap, White gold,etc they can un make the world and re ascend to their former glory before Lorhkan tricked the Aedra into giving up most of their power and immortality to create Nirn.

Not all altmer, are like that but yes thats what some of them will try to do in the future. But michel kirkblades landfall tells how the altmer wiped themselves out, like the dwemer and are erased from history. Then Nirn and every race but the khajiit and dunmer are wiped from existence in the fifth era. Yeah some of Michial Kirkblades work is really off the rocker but bethesda sometimes consults with him to make the lore for the games within reason but hopefully they don't don't Elder Scrolls Landfall canon. I don't want every race to be wiped out and I don't want Nirn to be wiped out in the fifth era

But its up to bethesda. Far as I know its not canon.

Abeille · September 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Now you got me anxious about death irl all over again.

Thanks lol.

But back on topic, I think the people of tamriel do have their own religions and it's comparable to the religions we have in our world that some believe in a place we go when we pass on as comfort. If I recall correctly when a spirit comes to someone in eso they usually gasp and can't believe their eyes signifying there is a doubt of an afterlife.

I think the Altmer have no religion or believe in any gods of the sorts so I'm sure they may be fearful of death since they have no real comfort that religion could provide. Or maybe they just embrace the thought and are okay with death.

I am in no way familiar with the lore. I am just judging by my experience with the various game's storylines.

On a side note this topic got me sad.

The Altmer kinda want to unmake the Mundas, uncoil the snake so to speak. If they can they believe they can ascend back to their immortality much like how Auriel ascended. Auriel kinda split though as Akatosh is the human aspect of Auriel, seperate beings yet occupy the same space and station.

The Void Nights of the 4th era in Skyrim was the Thalmor(Altmer) messing with the moons(Lorhkan' body) attempted to unravel creation.

The Altmer see the physical world as a trap, a tripping stone, one they wish to escape from and they believe if they can de activate all of the towers in Tamriel(Adamantine, Crystal-Law-like, Green Sap, White gold,etc they can un make the world and re ascend to their former glory before Lorhkan tricked the Aedra into giving up most of their power and immortality to create Nirn.

Not all altmer, are like that but yes thats what some of them will try to do in the future. But don't treat Michial Kirkblades landfall as cannon but basically in his work the altmer wipe themselves out, like the dwemer and are erased from history, Then Nirn and every race but the khajiit and dunmer are wiped from existence in the fifth era. Yeah some of Michial Kirkblades work is really off the rocker but bethesda sometimes consults with him to make the lore for the games within reason but hopefully they don't don't Elder Scrolls Landfall canon. I don't want every race to be wiped out and I don't want Nirn to be wiped out in the fifth era But its up to bethesda. Far as I know its not cannon.

You are correct, it is not canon. Michael Kirkbride wrote a lot of Lore for TES, but left Bethesda many years ago. His newer works, while intriguing, are still fanfiction.
Also, I see you are talking about the c0da. The whole point of it is to say that your canon, what you consider to be canon, is no better and no worse than MK's canon, although some people didn't really get it and keep pushing it as if it was the one true future of Nirn.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · September 2016

95% of people who die go through the Dreemesleeve and get Reincarnated, only about 5% end up as Ghosts or Spirits existing either on Nirn or in a realm of Oblivion.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · September 2016

Out of curiosity this is a question to the lore Junkies, In the future or most recent chapter of the Elder Scrolls story, which race or faction reign supreme?

I'm not a lore junkie myself but I do tend to read up every now and then I also read that there is a whole other continent that the story of Elder Scrolls is not really talked about do you think that will play in to lore in some significant way in the future supposedly from what I read correct me if I'm wrong the Eastern continent is composed of dragons?

Again I apologize for my punctuation and spelling errors due to the fact that I'm using a cell phone and voice command so please read past the ignorance.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 · September 2016

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

I've been playing Elder Scrolls Online since beta one thing that bugs after playing all three factions is the fact that death has no meaning in the game not death in Character by gaming standards but death in the universe, for instance the people of Tamriel die in the physical world but they're not dead, dead means to cease existence itself but when you die in Tamriel you're technically still existing just not in the physical form but in a Spirit form, so why do people of Tamriel fear death when you know that you're not dead you're still alive just in a different form so that shouldn't be as heartbreaking and feared as it is in our real world, it doesn't make any logical sense when death in Tamriel just means life and another format, if I lived in Tamriel I will not fear death nor be saddened by the death of my loved one because you know you are going to reconnect with them in existence in a different form I fail to see the logic of fearing death if I was a resident of Tamriel

Well,maybe they fear death because the planes they go after death sucks pretty bad?Take for example Soul Cairn,the plane you go if you die and your soul get trapped in a soul gem.A ugly place where you roam around waiting to be eaten by entities that you cant even see but you know are there,or being used as currency by those entities to trade with an even higher entity.

Dont you think thats enough reason to fear death?

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Out of curiosity this is a question to the lore Junkies, In the future or most recent chapter of the Elder Scrolls story, which race or faction reign supreme?

I'm not a lore junkie myself but I do tend to read up every now and then I also read that there is a whole other continent that the story of Elder Scrolls is not really talked about do you think that will play in to lore in some significant way in the future supposedly from what I read correct me if I'm wrong the Eastern continent is composed of dragons?

Again I apologize for my punctuation and spelling errors due to the fact that I'm using a cell phone and voice command so please read past the ignorance.

The most recent in terms of timeline is the events in Skyrim where the Third Aldmeri Dominion are ruling Cyrodiil. The Pact and the Covenant in ESO are long gone by this time. As for events after it, unknown except for the return of the Numidium and the destruction of Nirn in the 5th Era.

brandon · September 2016

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Out of curiosity this is a question to the lore Junkies, In the future or most recent chapter of the Elder Scrolls story, which race or faction reign supreme?

I'm not a lore junkie myself but I do tend to read up every now and then I also read that there is a whole other continent that the story of Elder Scrolls is not really talked about do you think that will play in to lore in some significant way in the future supposedly from what I read correct me if I'm wrong the Eastern continent is composed of dragons?

Again I apologize for my punctuation and spelling errors due to the fact that I'm using a cell phone and voice command so please read past the ignorance.

1. ESO takes place in 2E 582 and by the time of Skyrim (the most recent chapter which takes place in 4E 201) the Ebonheart Pact and Daggerfall Covenant no longer exist. The Aldmeri Dominion also doesn't exist in the same way that we see it in ESO. The Aldmeri Dominion in 4E 201 are a bunch of supremacist High Elves who believe that they are better than the other races. It basically takes on the form that Queen Ayrenn spends so long trying to prevent in the Aldmeri Dominion questline. If you want to read more about it then this link should give you some infomation about what becomes of the Aldmeri Dominion in the future.
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmeri_Dominion

2. There is actually more than just one other continent in the Elder Scrolls universe. Tamriel is the continent that every Elder Scrolls game to date has taken place on. The other continents would be Akavir aka dragon land which is the one you are talking about. It's the location that dragons are rumored to have come from. Yokuda is a continent that was home to the redguards, but no longer exists because it sunk into the ocean. Atmora is where the first humans were supposed to have come from. Pyandonea is the home of the Maormer. Aldmeris is the continent that the elves used to be at before they came to Tamriel, but it's current fate is unknown and it has become somewhat of a myth. I'll link to where you can read more about them if you wish.
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tamriel
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yokuda
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Atmora
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pyandonea
en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmeris

Infinite12 · September 2016

That it gets worse instead of getting better. That's what bothers me about this game

CapnPhoton · September 2016

You could always role play it and say that it is incredibly painful.

Have you noticed that a lot of the ghosts and spirits in Tamriel are completely crazy, mad, or sad? Perhaps if it happens enough times, this is your fate.