Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I know they're not dead. They're actually more powerful than ever; however, there's a lot of bad players that play (or played) as sorcs back when they were cheesey OP. Now that you actually have to pay attention; a lot of them claim that sorcs are dead. Sorcs are still a ton of fun to play, and an absolute monster in the right hands.

Lol I definitely agree I don't like nerfs to any class but I don't see the doom and gloom of mSorcs they still perform well.

Of course they are dead...I read many,many forumposts stating that "fact" *cough* on this very forum.......

#nerfsorcs2016 but seriously, sorcs play fine. They need some passives and skills reworked, but they compete just fine. Pve/pvp and whatever roll.

Sorc is still fine in PVP. It isn't the unkillable god it once was, but it's still very strong.

In PVE, magicka Sorc DPS caps out at endgame much lower than stam builds. However, mag sorc survivability is through the roof, while most stam builds are squishy. Also, Mag Sorc can do full sustained DPS at max range, but stam DPS at range is pitiful.

Sorcs are fine, although I am still a bit bitter by the fact my stam sorc can keep overkill proc'd most of the time and still have better sustain then my magicka sorc with Ner'neith.

Pandorii wrote: »

Sorry, but duels are not reflective of all aspects of the game. To say that sorcs are not dead, because they succeed in the duels you're illustrating is not enough evidence to make that generalization to all sorcs in all domains.

First, in a duel, you're not facing the gank from stealth or ani-cancelling ambush strength of the stam build. This is what can really destroy a sorc, especially if he/she has no shield on.

Second, what are the opponents CP and build setups? Likely they're setup to combat the meta (stamina), making them vulnerable by design to magicka types.

Third, how would a sorc fare against a DK with wings? Most of their skills/spammables are utterly useless. I guarantee you, sDKs will make up at least 1/4th of players you'll see in cyro next patch.

Yes I know duels aren't 100% indicative of a classes performance but it make a class stand out well if it preforms well in duels where you manage your resources and time your dmg properly.

I've seen multiple threads talking about the poor proformance of mSorcs and to that I show them this video and question that logic. mSorcs were nerfed but no nearly as bad as its exaggerated.

Tbh I don't know how it would preform againt a mDK but the fact that this sorc and preformed well in the "stam meta" is great and should be encourging other sorcs to makes builds to their liking with all the nerfs

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mine is playable in pvp but it could be much better, it outclassed by every other spec but magic dk.

This video isn't indicative of anything because PTS duels are not competitive. These folks are all trying out different gear and skill combination to see what they end up liking the best and it's more about testing things out then being ultra competitive for most. A lot of these builds are not optimal because folks are testing out different stuff finding what works and what don't.

When things go live and folks have their builds figured out (somethings could be changed or nerfed before this goes live) then we will have a better idea where things stand

You do have a point once people finalize pts testing and BiS gear is selected we will see where classes stand, however what I was trying to convey here is that mSorcs aren't as bad as people make it sound.

The sorc in the video utilized the destro ultimate exceptionally despised the numerous thread posts claiming that is sucks.

Also the shield duration problems and stamina problems seemed non existent in the video so the question is what are some sorcs doing wrong?

I don't mean to be rude or say "L2P" but the guy in the vid is doing good with his sorc even with all the nerfs the class has received.

@Anti_Virus I'm just afraid that the devs will latch on to threads like yours as an excuse to not prioritize class balance. We literally heard one of them make the argument that 'stam is not OP because there are a lot of nerf templar threads in the forums.' The equivalent would be 'magicka is balance, just look at all those sorcs winning duels.'

Think how much better you could be with the right foundational support to your class. =D

Anti_Virus wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mine is playable in pvp but it could be much better, it outclassed by every other spec but magic dk.

This video isn't indicative of anything because PTS duels are not competitive. These folks are all trying out different gear and skill combination to see what they end up liking the best and it's more about testing things out then being ultra competitive for most. A lot of these builds are not optimal because folks are testing out different stuff finding what works and what don't.

When things go live and folks have their builds figured out (somethings could be changed or nerfed before this goes live) then we will have a better idea where things stand

You do have a point once people finalize pts testing and BiS gear is selected we will see where classes stand, however what I was trying to convey here is that mSorcs aren't as bad as people make it sound.

The sorc in the video utilized the destro ultimate exceptionally despised the numerous thread posts claiming that is sucks.

Also the shield duration problems and stamina problems seemed no existent in the video so the question is what are some sorca doing wrong?

I don't mean to be rude or say "L2P" but the guy in the vid is doing good with his sorc even with all the nerfs the class has received.

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I do ok on my Sorc despite its issues just like a few mag dk do well inspite of their classes short comings....but other classes are simply stronger then sorcs minus the magic dk...put a Stam blade, Stam DK, Stam Templar, or even Stam Sorc in the hands of any magic Sorc player and they just got the equivalent of a Tanooki Suit power up

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Console.

Ankael07 wrote: »

Whenever I see someone say '' magicka sorcerers are not dead'' theyre using the same old build and spell combo.I mean this is what people mean by ''dead'' the class is no longer fun to play cause you cant be competitive with any other build than this.

Edit: We dont see your stats,cp and youre only showing 1v1 gameplay. I mean youre using desto ulti. for crying out loud.

And he is doing well with it, why can't you?

Well my frags crit for 8-14k + curse 6-10k + furry proc another 8-14k crits, sorc is a monster when it goes for 1v1, you better be blocking this frags and curse mate... But... Thats all, except of 3 very good skills rest is optional and very situational. I mean everyone can have now "hardened ward", streak? Play sorc and try to escape with it, I find it far more easier to escape with elusive mist (even its broken to by gap closers snare) than with streak as you can be cced during animation, can be executed, animations are super clumsy and tbh I move much faser with major expedition + sprint. I dont say that sorc is weak, but 80% of his skills are useles (well Im talking from PvP perspective) or have better versions somewhere else. Toggles need to be replaced/get buffed (should be twice as strong as other skills as they require at least 2 slots)/dont turn off when swaped. Pets commanding and AI (if pets are staying) needs rework.

Why the most of "rework staves threads" comes from msorcs? Because only msorcs have to relay on staves to have spammable dps skill AND some instant heal (well mblades dont have it to, but they have almost no cost, high damage skill with hot that has very difficult to see animation + they can cloak and even though cloak isnt perfectly fine to, its still far more better than streak or hardened in terms of defence).

lol are you fighting a bow DPS...?