Weapon Ultimates List: Will you use them?

Fexelea · September 2016

So I just finished putting the new Weapon Ultimates into the Weapon Skills List. This is more of a live discussion as I wanted to gauge how people think these will impact live gameplay.

You can see the varied morphs, their range, etc, in comparable tabs.

As a magicka sorc, the Two-Handed Ultimate and it's morph to return all cost on kill sounds absurdly overpowered to me, whereas the destruction staff ones sound rather underwhelming as a wannabe-meteor.

What does everyone think? Will you be changing your ultimate to these new ones?

(And yes, we're also adding all the new sets to the sets page on wiki... but it's taking forever. If anyone wants to send screenshots my way, they are very welcome)

BruhItsOver9000 · September 2016

I'll still be using incap because it increases your damage done by 20% and it gives your enemy major defile, plus it only costs 50 ult.
Yea incap can dodged, but a good nightblade will use this combo, cloak + surprise attack + incap strike or ambush + fear + incap strike.

BruhItsOver9000 · September 2016

The weapon ultimates look op but i'm sure ZOS will reduce the damage of these ultimates.

ArchMikem · September 2016

Ill be taking a good look into Lacerate, definitely. My Templar will stick with Meteor though.

Ecco · September 2016

It will be hard for me to give up Incap as my ultimate. The cost is so cheap, the effects so powerful, it has nearly 100% uptime from fight to fight. I've tried every other Ultimate and I always go back. The 2H ultimate sounds very efficient, but efficiency isn't necessarily OP. I have plenty of sustain weaving Incap into my rotations.

Kendaric · September 2016

Fexelea wrote: »

What does everyone think? Will you be changing your ultimate to these new ones?

Some of the weapon ultimates are ridiculously powerful, but I won't use any of them unless we get to toggle their ugly vfx off.

cool_gramps · September 2016

I have a question, which might fall under a noob thing.
I can have my Ultimate box showing 1000, use an Ultimate ability that cost 250, yet my entire ultimate box goes to zero?

acw37162 · September 2016

Most of them have better alternatives and a couple are going to be changed before they ever hit live servers some buffed some nerfed.

None of the ultimates will replace BIS choices, dawnbreaker flawless or smighting with its passive weapon damage increase is still king for end game PVE stamina smighting is still an AOE stun and PVE and with passives purchase does extra damage against undead, dadera, and werewolfs.

Meteor is cheaper higher damage and better because of mages guild passives and nova has damage mitigation.

In PVP 2h will wreck for any non-nightblade that isn't running incap.

While 2H will hear most of the tears and crying bow and sword and shield are awesome ulti's.

Everyone and I mean everyone will be running a S&S shield bar in Cyrodil.

I'm almost ready to call BIS gear this patch Tavas favor decisive weapons and Bloodspawn.

I also really like he destro staff ultimate that follows you are around although it's to expensive.

The DW ulti's are nice for solo play world bosses an d group dungeons and such.

Fexelea · September 2016

TBH paired with some of the new sets... like "Selene" Monster Helm... that Two-handed ultimate skill could be chained for ages.

I like the idea of Eye of the Storm, but in application if you're a magicka light armor build and you're in the middle of a large enemy group... you're about to die :P

I've actually been thinking of putting together a BIS list for the sets page lemme know if you have input @acw37162

altemriel · September 2016

cool_gramps wrote: »

I have a question, which might fall under a noob thing.
I can have my Ultimate box showing 1000, use an Ultimate ability that cost 250, yet my entire ultimate box goes to zero?

Untimate number can go up how much you want, it will still hit with the same power and go to 0% after it hits, so there is no point of letting the number increse above 100 %

Fexelea · September 2016

Btw I can confirm testing the Two-Handed Ultimate + Selene's Monster Helm = Chain ultimate 1hko over and over xD

Kidly · September 2016

Heck yeah! This new update got me theory crafting up a tank abusing the new Sword and Shield combo as much as humanly possible. 2 piece Bloodspawn, 5 piece Akaviri Dragonguard, and 3 piece Blessing of the Potentates (with decisive weapon.) The ultimate generation and (if additively stacking) 25% reduced cost should allow absurd amounts of up-time of free blocking.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · September 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Most of them have better alternatives and a couple are going to be changed before they ever hit live servers some buffed some nerfed.

None of the ultimates will replace BIS choices, dawnbreaker flawless or smighting with its passive weapon damage increase is still king for end game PVE stamina smighting is still an AOE stun and PVE and with passives purchase does extra damage against undead, dadera, and werewolfs.

Meteor is cheaper higher damage and better because of mages guild passives and nova has damage mitigation.

In PVP 2h will wreck for any non-nightblade that isn't running incap.

While 2H will hear most of the tears and crying bow and sword and shield are awesome ulti's.

Everyone and I mean everyone will be running a S&S shield bar in Cyrodil.

I'm almost ready to call BIS gear this patch Tavas favor decisive weapons and Bloodspawn.

I also really like he destro staff ultimate that follows you are around although it's to expensive.

The DW ulti's are nice for solo play world bosses an d group dungeons and such.

throw in "Potentates" 3 piece set with the Tava/Bloddspawn and yes...PvP's new BiS meta all waiting for it to be nerfed

Fexelea · September 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

throw in "Potentates" 3 piece set with the Tava/Bloddspawn and yes...PvP's new BiS meta all waiting for it to be nerfed

You wouldn't even need to do this if you can simply chaing Berserker Strike - leaving your set bonuses for something else than gaining ultimate

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

Qbiken · September 2016

Will be perfect for my stamblade (Named "The Cub of Cintra" , aka Ciri from the Witcher 3) in PvP. Imagine: Shadow image-->Critrush-->2h ulti--> Shadow image to port back. No one will see it coming XD

Asmael · September 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

Remember the last time we complained about cost increase poison being OP?

Prepare for 15 seconds of CC immunity / resist stealing.

OdinForge · September 2016

Dawnbreaker is still better than the weapon ults, but I will test them more on live when the game settles.

Fexelea · September 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

Seratopia · September 2016

I personally love the staff ultimate animations but I cannot give up overload because I need the third bar and I cannot give up my negate. Negate ties into my play strategy too much.

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

Will probably use the bow ultimate since there isn't a proper "stam" ult at range. That's about it.

CaptainVenom · September 2016

Restoration Staff Life Giver, yes. somewhat low cost, interesting healing and three buffs at once.

Destruction Staff Elemental Storm, no. High cost, 2 seconds delay until start damaging (which is ridiculous), interesting damage but impractical skill. Meh.

Since I'm a magicka player, I have no interests in other weapons ults.

SirAndy · September 2016

Fexelea wrote: »

Will you use them?

I will use each and every one of them and all their morphs until they all are fully leveled. After that, who knows ...

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

Fexelea wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

The ballista is actually the most OP ultimate but no one realizes it yet ;-)

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Fexelea wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

The ballista is actually the most OP ultimate but no one realizes it yet ;-)

Does it break on cloak? Can templars purge it? How long is the distance, can you LoS it easy?

I've seen people just dodge roll a few times, also someone shuffle dodged and made 3 hits of it miss because of it.. xD

susmitds · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Fexelea wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

The ballista is actually the most OP ultimate but no one realizes it yet ;-)

Does it break on cloak? Can templars purge it? How long is the distance, can you LoS it easy?

I've seen people just dodge roll a few times, also someone shuffle dodged and made 3 hits of it miss because of it.. xD

Fear --> Ballista is the deadliest combo to come.

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Fexelea wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

The ballista is actually the most OP ultimate but no one realizes it yet ;-)

Does it break on cloak? Can templars purge it? How long is the distance, can you LoS it easy?

I've seen people just dodge roll a few times, also someone shuffle dodged and made 3 hits of it miss because of it.. xD

Fear --> Ballista is the deadliest combo to come.

He knows ;-)

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Fexelea wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Okay for one, no one should compare meteor to the destro ultimate. Yes they cost the same but the destro ultimate AoE is massive, and you'll have an easier time damaging an enemy with it than you would with meteor. Now do I think it's OP? Not at all, but the only thing I would do with it is reduce its cost by 50.

About that 2H ultimate.... Lol yeah it's OP. Don't worry though, I'm positive ZOS will nerf it. Hardly anyone thinks that thing is balanced. The only thing I'm concerned with is if they're going to appropriately nerf it, and if they'll adjust the cost to correlate with its power reduction.

I don't know, for me it looks like a wannabe meteor, because even if it's area is huge the damage itself doesn't seem to be all that. I use meteor when I'm in PvP for its big hit and stun, this one doesn't stun enemies in the area which is a shame.

That 2H one.. xD

The ballista for bows is also interesting. Will be a difficult morph to pick

The ballista is actually the most OP ultimate but no one realizes it yet ;-)

Does it break on cloak? Can templars purge it? How long is the distance, can you LoS it easy?

I've seen people just dodge roll a few times, also someone shuffle dodged and made 3 hits of it miss because of it.. xD

Fear --> Ballista is the deadliest combo to come.

He knows ;-)

What about Fossilize --> Ballista? xD