Tandor wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I'm all for a zero tolerance approach to cheating in any form. First offence a one week suspension (if it's temporary it's a suspension, not a ban), second offence a permanent ban. There's simply no excuse for cheating, none whatsoever. Arguing as some do that if a developer introduces a bug into a game then it's ok to exploit it is no different to excusing a burglary on the grounds that the victim left his door open.

I am, however, totally in favour of the naming and shaming policy, it's for ZOS to decide if someone is cheating, not the players who should merely report their suspicions privately. Allowing naming and shaming by players offers far too much scope for abuse.

Accusations for naming and shaming aren't up for debate here, but reporting back if a person was exploiting. Like you said, it's up to ZOS, nor a court of public opinion, to see if someone is guilty. Once someone has been caught however feedback back to the reporter should come back to let them know they got it right and not to repeat any kind of exploit.

I'm afraid the way forums work isn't on the basis that the OP gets to decide what is and what isn't up for debate within the subjects he has listed. You listed the need to review the naming and shaming policy in your original post, and it's perfectly valid for me to comment on any aspect of that. Besides, you have already indicated to another poster your view on that aspect so I am perfectly entitled to indicate my view on it, which as it happens accords with your own view. You don't, however, control the topic, that's for the mods to do.

Few if any developers will report back to an individual player on the outcome of a report against another player, and there is a similar reluctance to publish the outcome of individual cases. Either course could open a veritable Pandora's Box with claims of defamation or libel etc and there's simply no way developers are going to put themselves at risk in that way. In any event I see no benefit in that changing here, although I welcomed @ZOS_JessicaFolsom's agreement to pursue the possibility of publishing regular updates on the overall number of suspensions and bans which I would still be happy to see. Indeed, I support the call for an official update on that.

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Thing Is that ZOS would have already played the judge & jury, and are letting you know the sentence. And your correct that ZOS would have the evidence that someone cheated, if it wasn't conclusive evidence I wouldn't expect to hear anything from them. Here is an example:

Player A is recording their game, standing in thier inner keep with the walls up. Suddenly player B uses crit rush to attack player A, kill them, and flip the keep. Player A reports them asking if this is a exploit. ZOS comes back saying "thank you for your report, we'll investigate this issue. We can't tell you the results of this investigation" and gives no response after. In the next few days, player C and Player D do similar things and Player A reports them each time, getting the same response. By the 3rd report, player A wonders if it's a legal tactic, because it seems everyone is doing it, and now they start using crit rush to bypass walls.

This could have gone different if ZOS came out and said "we'll investigate" and after several days came back and said "thank you for your report. Using gap closers to bypass walls is indeed an exploit. We will take appropriate action to handle this, please understand we do not discuss the penalties about other players. Thank you for your time."


This can't happen with the current system though. We never see this unless the incident is so major everyone know it.

In addition to this there are a lot of folks spreading misinformation about being perma banned for a first offense. I feel that ZOS should be upfront in saying "no, this was you 5th or 8th offense, it's time to go" and give us more information.

HeroOfNone wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Naming and Shaming isn't allowed because if it were it would make Zenimax look unprofessional. This honestly goes for any company really.

I disagree.

Several games like Team fortress 2, DOTA 2, and Counter Strike:GO show when players have prior VAC bans on thier accounts. This let's others know when something wierd is happening in game, they see the prior ban, and they can report the player to be investigated.

League of legends are very vocal about the people they ban and show that they are committed to make their games less toxic.

And more recently, and notably more popular and by a bigger "professional" company, Overwatch banned several thousand cheaters and even listed their accounts on forums.

So this isn't anything new, it's something that should be reviewed and possibly tweaked, if what I'm recommending makes sense