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KingYogi415
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from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
I thought PVE was the bread and butter of this game, this complete lack of understanding of the basics of MMO's on zenimax's part is mind-blowing.
I personally have been building my guild roster to teach new people all the normal trials. I have around 100 pieces of EBON, WORM, Elegant, and skirmisher gear saved to give to new players to help them with their progression. As of yesterday I have had to post everything as quickly and as cheaply as I can in fear of the gear being bound to my account.
I'm planning on building a vet team from scratch, I have all ready set aside a million gold for Weapon/Spellpower pots which WILL COVER 1 TEAM learning vet. Now I question how willing I will be to keep training new players trials when i'm to broke to upgrade a new gear set to gold. Why does an elite player who has every set piece in gold want to run with us and help us? he gets nothing unless he wants to fleece people for BOP items.
Imagine if you made made every PVP set BOP, does that sound right???
Will blue Aether, Ophidian, lunar, Twilight and Alkosh jewelry be good enough for vet trails? Are they adding "medium" difficulty that drops these drop in purple? Where is the progression from normal to vet? Anyone who is not grinding normal trials before this update has about no chance of ever being ready vet trials...
Mix this into the picture:
"Survey Reports received from Crafting Writs may now send you to any zone throughout the world."
And we are looking at some very broke and unhappy trials players.
I hate to say it but it's seems to be paving a path to where they put gold in crown boxes, and the broke masses rejoice.
I would say cheers but, meh.
Edited by KingYogi415 on September 6, 2016 12:07AM This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
I thought PVE was the bread and butter of this game, this complete lack of understanding of the basics of MMO's on zenimax's part is mind-blowing.
I personally have been building my guild roster to teach new people all the normal trials. I have around 100 pieces of EBON, WORM, Elegant, and skirmisher gear saved to give to new players to help them with their progression. As of yesterday I have had to post everything as quickly and as cheaply as I can in fear of the gear being bound to my account.
I'm planning on building a vet team from scratch, I have all ready set aside a million gold for Weapon/Spellpower pots which WILL COVER 1 TEAM learning vet. Now I question how willing I will be to keep training new players trials when i'm to broke to upgrade a new gear set to gold. Why does an elite player who has every set piece in gold want to run with us and help us? he gets nothing unless he wants to fleece people for BOP items.
Imagine if you made made every PVP set BOP, does that sound right???
Will blue Aether, Ophidian, lunar, Twilight and Alkosh jewelry be good enough for vet trails? Are they adding "medium" difficulty that drops these drop in purple? Where is the progression from normal to vet? Anyone who is not grinding normal trials before this update has about no chance of ever being ready vet trials...
Mix this into the picture:
"Survey Reports received from Crafting Writs may now send you to any zone throughout the world."
And we are looking at some very broke and unhappy trials players.
I hate to say it but it's seems to be paving a path to where they put gold in crown boxes, and the broke masses rejoice.
I would say cheers but, meh.
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✭I hate this change as well... PVE-Trial hunting is my mandatory gold source.
Its not much since I need to complete some sets as well for myself but I like the additional income.
Making those sets bound on pickup just lengthens the game artificially and just makes it annoying since you take forever to complete sets.
Please, ZoS, reconsider the feedback offered to you that was brought forth from the very moment you brought up the patch notes. Don't let that content of the PTS come into the live version
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✭✭I guess if your in the top 10% of pvp, or a serial harvester you can still make gold.
What am I missing? Guild trader get boring when you not selling your own items.3 -
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✭✭I would like to see all of the logic behind BOP. My only thought is that they do not want people to have the gear they have not earned it - such as buying through guilds instead of running the content.
My friend has never set foot in SO but bought a whole Dreugh King Slayer set. Now you have to run the trial and either get the pieces yourself or trade with someone you run it with if they get the piece you want.
As for the survey maps, as I can only get nirncrux from Craglorn and deliberately choose to do Craglorn writs for this reason, does that mean the survey may send me elsewhere with no chance of getting nirncrux?
No point doing the writs if that is going to be the case. With the harvest node changes coming up, every node I come across will be my crafting/character level anyway so without nirncrux, the only other reason for doing the writs would be removed.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭as someone said earlier in another thread, it seems more and more that players are being punished for playing this game.
starting to feel like some kind of sadistic social experiment gone off the rails.
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[Edited for bypassing the filter]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on September 6, 2016 2:40PM7 -
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✭I thought after the addition of crafting bags I would always sub for it alone. These continued changes that make no sense are making me re think that. I have not seen one person ask for this change. Who comes up with this nonsense? Seems like a bad joke. People will not be willing to sell their drops like they do now and if they do the price will be astronomically higher. Hopefully they will come to their senses about this but I really doubt it since they never seem to listen to the masses when they voice their opinion about things like this.
I think this will be one of the few things that the vast majority of players will actually agree upon.3 -
BruhItsOver9000✭✭✭✭✭Wait what WTF ZOS, As a shy player, i don't run trials because it requires alot of communication.
Now you're telling me i have to run it to get gear i want, i think i'm done for u12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4 Edited by BruhItsOver9000 on September 5, 2016 5:44AMWOOD ELF MASTER RACE.10 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Trials gears are now mostly relavant to dungeons and trials run,
As they moved most sets to overland and you can still trade between group.Edited by Lord_Eomer on September 5, 2016 6:49AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
You get one good set about every 15 runs. But you end up spending over 30k each run in terms of potions, and everything.3 -
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@ShareeKingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
A lot of people play both content. No need to mock PVE because you only PVP.
My statement holds true. ALL END GAME PVE will NOT make you gold. Which is wrong!Edited by KingYogi415 on September 5, 2016 7:17AM11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭remember the bots camping bosses in beta? I think that's another reason. Still crap though.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »
@ShareeKingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
A lot of people play both content. No need to mock PVE because you only PVP.
My statement holds true. ALL END GAME PVE will NOT make you gold. Which is wrong!
I'm not making all that much gold from endgame PvP either.5 -
ValkynSketha✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
You get one good set about every 15 runs. But you end up spending over 30k each run in terms of potions, and everything.
But my 200k profit from 3days playing says otherwise. 2 -
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✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »
@ShareeKingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
A lot of people play both content. No need to mock PVE because you only PVP.
My statement holds true. ALL END GAME PVE will NOT make you gold. Which is wrong!
I'm not making all that much gold from endgame PvP either.
Id call the 5 gold items I'm about to get from scourge good money, weird.2 -
I for one am happy about the change. Go and do the trials, you can still sell pieces to the members that were in your party.2
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gurluasb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I think Bop is bad, it should be possible to sell gear to people who really wants them.0
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✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »
@ShareeKingYogi415 wrote: »from The notes: "All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup."
This is hands down the dumbest move I have seen ZOS make in over a year of playing this game. Effectively removing gold making opportunity in ALL of the end-game PVE content will be detrimental to this game.
What was detrimental for this game was the fact that many of the highly-desirable PvP sets were only dropping in trials that PvP players have no interest in running. That is what you were making gold on. ZOS moved those sets outside of trials. You can no longer charge 300K gold per piece for them. My PvP heart truly bleeds for you.
A lot of people play both content. No need to mock PVE because you only PVP.
My statement holds true. ALL END GAME PVE will NOT make you gold. Which is wrong!
I'm not making all that much gold from endgame PvP either.
Id call the 5 gold items I'm about to get from scourge good money, weird.
The income from 5 gold items that you can only get once per campaign duration does not compare to the income from an activity that you can repeat as often as you want.Edited by Sharee on September 5, 2016 7:53AM3 -
TheDarkoil✭✭✭I make most of my gold within trials selling 2 hour bop to other players so I welcome this change.0
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Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭I think it is interesting thing that most of the sets that was in the trials were just cp 160 versions of sets that could be found in the overland just in lower levels. Now that your level depends on what gear level you get, it just make sense that you can get gear from overland at a higher level now. Since these gear sets were in most of the overland areas anyway.0 -
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✭I am a bit confused. Yes, I did see that 'all dungeon and trials drop will be bind on pickup.'
However, many of the sets that you get in the dungeons/trials on live now will still trade-able wouldn't it on Update 12? I'm basing on this:
Non-Dungeon Bosses
Delve bosses increased chance - waist or feet
Overland group 100% - head, chest, legs, or weapon
Public dungeon higher chance - shoulder, hand, or weapon
Treasure Chests
Dark Anchor/Anomalies 100% - ring or amulet
So for things like (these are just examples below), you can still get these sets on overland (at least from my interpretation).
Auridon Queen's Elegance (Elegance)
Eastmarch Akaviri Dragonguard
Glenumbra Hide of the Werewolf
Grahtwood Shadow Dancer's Raiment
Greenshade Syrabane's Grip
Malabal Tor Salvation
Reaper's Senche's Bite (Skirmisher's Bite)
Rivenspire Necropotence | Darkstride
Stonefalls Silks of the Sun | Coat of the Red MountainEdited by Qyrk on September 5, 2016 8:02AM1 -
Humatiel✭✭✭✭I wonder if this is perhaps ZoS idea of removing gold from the economy. I for instance only PvE (raid) and as I already have best in slot gear all I really need are sups to continue raiding, I can spend two days farming and that lasts me for two weeks of raids easily (3-4 raids a week).
SO if I dont need to make gold to raid and I cant sell what I get from raiding I suppose I am not part of the economy anymore
its an odd feeling.
Edited by Humatiel on September 5, 2016 8:10AMVMA | vHRC-HM | vAA-HM | vSO-HM | vMOL-HM
700+ CP
GM of Luxury Raids2 -
juhasman✭✭✭✭Well atleats there is few interresting set that'll drop from zones and should be tradable.0
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juhasman✭✭✭✭I am a bit confused. Yes, I did see that 'all dungeon and trials drop will be bind on pickup.'
However, many of the sets that you get in the dungeons/trials on live now will still trade-able wouldn't it on Update 12? I'm basing on this:
Non-Dungeon Bosses
Delve bosses increased chance - waist or feet
Overland group 100% - head, chest, legs, or weapon
Public dungeon higher chance - shoulder, hand, or weapon
Treasure Chests
Dark Anchor/Anomalies 100% - ring or amulet
So for things like (these are just examples below), you can still get these sets on overland (at least from my interpretation).
Auridon Queen's Elegance (Elegance)
Eastmarch Akaviri Dragonguard
Glenumbra Hide of the Werewolf
Grahtwood Shadow Dancer's Raiment
Greenshade Syrabane's Grip
Malabal Tor Salvation
Reaper's Senche's Bite (Skirmisher's Bite)
Rivenspire Necropotence | Darkstride
Stonefalls Silks of the Sun | Coat of the Red Mountain
I think they added 30 new sets also to replace those You mentioned. It would be stupid to get for example Red Mountain that is tradable from zone and non tradable from trial.1 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »I for one am happy about the change. Go and do the trials, you can still sell pieces to the members that were in your party.
You generally do trials with other people who do trials... if neither of you can make money selling to people who don't do trials how are you going to have any money to buy/sell gear to each other.
Besides in my raiding guild we just give each other the gear we don't need for ourselves for the purpose of bettering the group.PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
4th Console vMOL clear,
vMA cleared on all classes stam & magic
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High Sparo - Altmer - mSo DD.
Wood Sparo - Bosmer - sNB DD
Nord Sparo - Nord -sDK DD/Tank.
Bubble Girl - Imperial -sTe DD
Succubus Sue - Breton - mNB Tank.
Andrana Stormlock - Altmer - mTe Healer/ DD
Elvali Marvani - Dunmer - mDK DD.
Venemus Draconem - Redguard - sDK DD
Jayri Leki - Redguard - sSo DD.
Miss Jabsalot - Altmer - mTe PvP DD/ Tank
Mireli Hlaano - Dunmer - mNB DD.
Ms Shanks - Redguard - sNB DD/ le bank
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Dilemma Dame - Altmer - mDK DD
Stamsorc Kitty - Redguard - sSor DD
Aia Draconis - Imperial - sDK Tank
Decides-Who-Lives - Argonian - mTe Healer
You wont stop me - Altmer - mSo DD
Stab in the dark - Khajiit - sNB DD
Jabjabjab Beambeambeam - Dunmer - mTe DD
Spatium Auxiliarus - Imperial - hTe Tank&bank
Spectre - Altmer - mNB DD
Can't-Main-Tank -Argonian - sDK offTank5 -
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✭✭This is bad for everyone Elite players get rewarded with nothing, and new players will be left behind for being broke and not geared up. The only point in running trials will be for leader boards.
This game is finally amazing with all the updated trials to run, and they are going to ruin that!
The gap between the average player and a vet trial runner is millions of gold worth of gear and spellpower pots.
The gap is just going to get wider, and trials become more elitest.
What am I supposed to tell a guild memebers? to go pick flowers 40 hours before I can even consider them for vet?
Selling the a rare drop is what allows PVE players progress to the next level. This HUGE meta change will drive many players to other games.13
