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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours
So I feel weird asking this, but you've been to Earth, right? Like to a mall? I admit it's been a month or so since I went to a mall, but I specifically remember having to walk between the stores. YMMV I guess.
Last I checked.. and I could be soooo wrong... this was a video game? or am I mistaken? This could be a real world mall? seriously.... What Da Freak...
Context is hard, I get that.
You're using real world systems, to explain fantasy world systems, so your post makes no sense. Might as well compare apples to cars.
Okay I'll help you out. I was replying to:
... and that is abject nonsense. To show that it is nonsense, I pointed out an example of a fully functional economy that is "broken up and scattered all over the place," the one we have here on Earth.You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively.
When you ignore the context then yes, you might think I was trying to make some kind of sweeping comparison between real-world and game-world systems, but that is simply not the case.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Thetwano✭Glad you took the time to try again @Thetwano
One thing we concur on, is the spamming text chat / WTS. totally pointless, joining a few decent trading guilds totally does away with that. I'm console and text chat only just landed (again something I would disagree with, spam city - BUT the WOW crew wanted as they had it before...luckily its off by default, But I digress)
But your last point undermines what you are trying to say, again. Basically your view is all about the game being about quests/delves/dungeons. And that's it, this trading lark is just 'in the way' is the feel.
Curious how do you feel about the need and effort to level Crafting? Alot see that as 'in the way' (there's an open thread on it tonight as it happens) and again I disagree with that. It's another part of the game requiring effort.
And secondly.how do you feel about PvP / PvE or do you do both?
I'm saying, the time and effort to actually make some cash.. takes away from the other things we can be doing In this game. The systems in place for this economy, is something that is outdated, and really only works in favor of those that are well established in the game. For new peeps, the economy is terrible, and a turn off. It's simply bad design. And the text chat was a much needed system in this game.. having to go into VC in town.. and listen to peep screaming and playing loud music.. No thanks!
Here's one thing as well: Johnny is trying to sell an item he just got, so he posts on the text chat, "WTS <insert item>, message me." But right as he enters that into chat, Billy Bob decides to spam the text chat with 40 different motifs he has, and completely covers up poor Johnny's post... #brokensystem, #getoutofthestoneageZoS, #learntomakethewheel
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Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours
So I feel weird asking this, but you've been to Earth, right? Like to a mall? I admit it's been a month or so since I went to a mall, but I specifically remember having to walk between the stores. YMMV I guess.
Last I checked.. and I could be soooo wrong... this was a video game? or am I mistaken? This could be a real world mall? seriously.... What Da Freak...
Context is hard, I get that.
You're using real world systems, to explain fantasy world systems, so your post makes no sense. Might as well compare apples to cars.
Okay I'll help you out. I was replying to:
... and that is abject nonsense. To show that it is nonsense, I pointed out an example of a fully functional economy that is "broken up and scattered all over the place," the one we have here on Earth.You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively.
When you ignore the context then yes, you might think I was trying to make some kind of sweeping comparison between real-world and game-world systems, but that is simply not the case.
AGAIN.. real world systems vs. Fantasy video game systems... cant compare the two. As humans, we have the internet as well. Which the internet (amazon.com) is like the market board. So if you want to keep going with your dumb mall thing, then lets bring in Amazon.com to this conversation. We have Amazon.com, so ESO needs a market board. DONE!0 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours
So I feel weird asking this, but you've been to Earth, right? Like to a mall? I admit it's been a month or so since I went to a mall, but I specifically remember having to walk between the stores. YMMV I guess.
Last I checked.. and I could be soooo wrong... this was a video game? or am I mistaken? This could be a real world mall? seriously.... What Da Freak...
Context is hard, I get that.
You're using real world systems, to explain fantasy world systems, so your post makes no sense. Might as well compare apples to cars.
Okay I'll help you out. I was replying to:
... and that is abject nonsense. To show that it is nonsense, I pointed out an example of a fully functional economy that is "broken up and scattered all over the place," the one we have here on Earth.You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively.
When you ignore the context then yes, you might think I was trying to make some kind of sweeping comparison between real-world and game-world systems, but that is simply not the case.
AGAIN.. real world systems vs. Fantasy video game systems... cant compare the two. As humans, we have the internet as well. Which the internet (amazon.com) is like the market board. So if you want to keep going with your dumb mall thing, then lets bring in Amazon.com to this conversation. We have Amazon.com, so ESO needs a market board. DONE!
Wow.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours
So I feel weird asking this, but you've been to Earth, right? Like to a mall? I admit it's been a month or so since I went to a mall, but I specifically remember having to walk between the stores. YMMV I guess.
Last I checked.. and I could be soooo wrong... this was a video game? or am I mistaken? This could be a real world mall? seriously.... What Da Freak...
Context is hard, I get that.
You're using real world systems, to explain fantasy world systems, so your post makes no sense. Might as well compare apples to cars.
Okay I'll help you out. I was replying to:
... and that is abject nonsense. To show that it is nonsense, I pointed out an example of a fully functional economy that is "broken up and scattered all over the place," the one we have here on Earth.You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively.
When you ignore the context then yes, you might think I was trying to make some kind of sweeping comparison between real-world and game-world systems, but that is simply not the case.
AGAIN.. real world systems vs. Fantasy video game systems... cant compare the two. As humans, we have the internet as well. Which the internet (amazon.com) is like the market board. So if you want to keep going with your dumb mall thing, then lets bring in Amazon.com to this conversation. We have Amazon.com, so ESO needs a market board. DONE!
Wow.
Wow indeed. you guys are too funny in trying to make points that are terrible. Market Board makes sense, plain and simple.0 -
SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..
Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)
Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
Harrods
Member Of The Old Guard
PC Closed Betas 2013
PC Mastah Race
Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk
Been playing since Beta and Early Access0 -
Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.0 -
SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..
Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)
Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
Harrods
Member Of The Old Guard
PC Closed Betas 2013
PC Mastah Race
Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk
Been playing since Beta and Early Access0 -
Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm honestly starting to think that some of the people in this conversation are a chat-bot.What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
You had a go at me first laddie, telling em -to stay out of the forums and my propaganda was not required here? and other flattering terms, so yeah you had it coming.
And remotely not interested at all that you play other games, its not the same as ESO, and im a multi millionaire in the game, but its nothing special, as most are, but you did remark on the fact that no one bought your stuff for 30 days, they do if its valuable, and took offence in a statement you made earlier.
The system we have in the game works, might not be ideal, but it does work, plenty of people have no problem with it, you do, cos you cant sell stuff easily, not our problem, its yours, and myself and others tried to advise you to help, but you took it wrong, so yeah you came at me with personal attacks, I will always turn it about, hardly elitist, theres always gonna be a hierarchy in the game, the haves and have nots, its human nature and its in the game too, if you are empowered, you conquer, if you dont, you fall behind.
You choose what camp your in, its not elitism , its knowledge.
Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..
Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)
Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
Harrods
Member Of The Old Guard
PC Closed Betas 2013
PC Mastah Race
Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk
Been playing since Beta and Early Access1 -
Thetwano✭
I'm honestly starting to think that some of the people in this conversation are a chat-bot.What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
If a bot had amazing thoughts like me, then everyone would use them. If this does exist, look into using one 0 -
Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
You had a go at me first laddie, telling em -to stay out of the forums and my propaganda was not required here? and other flattering terms, so yeah you had it coming.
And remotely not interested at all that you play other games, its not the same as ESO, and im a multi millionaire in the game, but its nothing special, as most are, but you did remark on the fact that no one bought your stuff for 30 days, they do if its valuable, and took offence in a statement you made earlier.
The system we have in the game works, might not be ideal, but it does work, plenty of people have no problem with it, you do, cos you cant sell stuff easily, not our problem, its yours, and myself and others tried to advise you to help, but you took it wrong, so yeah you came at me with personal attacks, I will always turn it about, hardly elitist, theres always gonna be a hierarchy in the game, the haves and have nots, its human nature and its in the game too, if you are empowered, you conquer, if you dont, you fall behind.
You choose what camp your in, its not elitism , its knowledge.
Your train of thought, and the way you explain things, is where the "elitist" part comes from. You speak of haves and have nots, about being empowered, and conquering. You're money and status in this game, had inflated your ego, and thus you cant see the great things that would come from a Market Board. The most affect peeps from the Market Board, would be the "Haves." the "have nots" would would actually have a chance to make money and enjoy the game more. But we cant have that.. all hail the "Haves" for they the elitist scum that we must praise.
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SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
You had a go at me first laddie, telling em -to stay out of the forums and my propaganda was not required here? and other flattering terms, so yeah you had it coming.
And remotely not interested at all that you play other games, its not the same as ESO, and im a multi millionaire in the game, but its nothing special, as most are, but you did remark on the fact that no one bought your stuff for 30 days, they do if its valuable, and took offence in a statement you made earlier.
The system we have in the game works, might not be ideal, but it does work, plenty of people have no problem with it, you do, cos you cant sell stuff easily, not our problem, its yours, and myself and others tried to advise you to help, but you took it wrong, so yeah you came at me with personal attacks, I will always turn it about, hardly elitist, theres always gonna be a hierarchy in the game, the haves and have nots, its human nature and its in the game too, if you are empowered, you conquer, if you dont, you fall behind.
You choose what camp your in, its not elitism , its knowledge.
Your train of thought, and the way you explain things, is where the "elitist" part comes from. You speak of haves and have nots, about being empowered, and conquering. You're money and status in this game, had inflated your ego, and thus you cant see the great things that would come from a Market Board. The most affect peeps from the Market Board, would be the "Haves." the "have nots" would would actually have a chance to make money and enjoy the game more. But we cant have that.. all hail the "Haves" for they the elitist scum that we must praise.
I can see where you are coming from, but you did launch an attack on me, and regardless, before, I and others did, as said, try to give tips on how to make decent gold, thats there for all, and yeah that is exactly how it is in the game, personally I dont care if theres a market board or not, but you were making out its hard for people to make money from the game.
Elitists dont want anyone but themselves to have the gear or gold or whatever they want, I do, or else I would not have tried letting you know some tips for making gold, so you got the wrong end of the stick.
Remember elitits guard their possessions and status jealously, so my ego is hardly inflated, and I can see a lot of good things about a Market Board, but I dont see a huge necessity for one, as the current system, while flawed, does actually work, and it is very easy to make gold, if some cant do that, then thats on them, thats where the learning, and empowered thing comes in, the conquering their in game weaknesses, so again, hardly elitist.
If you dont progress, you stagnate, and in the essence of haves and have nots, thats the essence of it, all of which clearly went over your head.Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..
Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)
Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
Harrods
Member Of The Old Guard
PC Closed Betas 2013
PC Mastah Race
Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk
Been playing since Beta and Early Access1 -
Thetwano✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
You had a go at me first laddie, telling em -to stay out of the forums and my propaganda was not required here? and other flattering terms, so yeah you had it coming.
And remotely not interested at all that you play other games, its not the same as ESO, and im a multi millionaire in the game, but its nothing special, as most are, but you did remark on the fact that no one bought your stuff for 30 days, they do if its valuable, and took offence in a statement you made earlier.
The system we have in the game works, might not be ideal, but it does work, plenty of people have no problem with it, you do, cos you cant sell stuff easily, not our problem, its yours, and myself and others tried to advise you to help, but you took it wrong, so yeah you came at me with personal attacks, I will always turn it about, hardly elitist, theres always gonna be a hierarchy in the game, the haves and have nots, its human nature and its in the game too, if you are empowered, you conquer, if you dont, you fall behind.
You choose what camp your in, its not elitism , its knowledge.
Your train of thought, and the way you explain things, is where the "elitist" part comes from. You speak of haves and have nots, about being empowered, and conquering. You're money and status in this game, had inflated your ego, and thus you cant see the great things that would come from a Market Board. The most affect peeps from the Market Board, would be the "Haves." the "have nots" would would actually have a chance to make money and enjoy the game more. But we cant have that.. all hail the "Haves" for they the elitist scum that we must praise.
I can see where you are coming from, but you did launch an attack on me, and regardless, before, I and others did, as said, try to give tips on how to make decent gold, thats there for all, and yeah that is exactly how it is in the game, personally I dont care if theres a market board or not, but you were making out its hard for people to make money from the game.
Elitists dont want anyone but themselves to have the gear or gold or whatever they want, I do, or else I would not have tried letting you know some tips for making gold, so you got the wrong end of the stick.
Remember elitits guard their possessions and status jealously, so my ego is hardly inflated, and I can see a lot of good things about a Market Board, but I dont see a huge necessity for one, as the current system, while flawed, does actually work, and it is very easy to make gold, if some cant do that, then thats on them, thats where the learning, and empowered thing comes in, the conquering their in game weaknesses, so again, hardly elitist.
If you dont progress, you stagnate, and in the essence of haves and have nots, thats the essence of it, all of which clearly went over your head.
This makes me giggle with joy as I reread it over and over.. i'll probably make it into a book to read on my nook, before bed every night: "..and I can see a lot of good things about a Market Board, but I dont see a huge necessity for one" - so you see it being a good thing.. check! "the current system, while flawed, does actually work" - so a flawed system, vs. a market board system, that you see as being a good thing.. check! Your Logic is um.. Flawed and not good.
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✭✭✭✭✭@Thetwano you keep, repeatedly, talking about text chat and area chat. Which shows you aren't listening.
I have never used area chat ever, and have text chat turned off. (there is zero value in it for me, I joined good guilds and actually talk to people. Spamming strangers is for abrasives types who will only get frustrated by it)
It's my first MMO, so I had to learn the game. I joined 4 trading guilds in one week, to have easy access to their stores - which led to me then becoming a seller. I was not a have. I was a noober knowing nothing about the game, and joining those guilds was the best thing I ever did. As from there I got into PvP, and all the other aspects of the game from talking to people and getting help. not wanting to have it all from my solo keyboard and moan about the Haves. (who are just people that out the effort in)
You fully ignored my point about crafting. Is that a side game to you as well? Should their efforts be ignored? They put effort in to get better at something, same as traders. The list goes on. But no you will ignore me, as every salient point I make you sweep away to retort in a witty manner
Your repeated point about who wants to spam chat is nonsense, the entire argument I'm making is THAT I AGREE WITH YOU that if you use the current system poorly I can see you would get wound up. Trading how you tried would drive me crazy, hence @wayfarerx and @Nestor and all the others that are replying are trying to help you get the point that done right, trading is very easy. But you are fixated on your solution and refuse to listen.
Bottom line is you come over really abrasively, and the more you ignore all the intelligent helpful responses trying to help you, the more I start to wonder if you have just struggled to get into decent guilds or had problems remaining in one hence your annoyance at it all and outcry. You repeatedly talk about using the game in a bad way, and I just feel for you more and more. As if you listened you would see we agree with you that the ways you have tried to do things are painfull. If you changed your behaviour you would have success.
For the 10th. Don't spam area chat, don't spam area voice, join 4 trading guilds, go to a bank, browse them all with saved searches, sell things across the guilds, and when they have stalls in places like Coldharbour, Alliance capitals etc profit!
I wanna help you fella, so the trolling won't bait me, after all I have saved alot of time over you by trading properly, so I have type to reply
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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✭✭What? its hard selling stuff?
I must be just lucky then:}Honestly @Beardimus I just feel bad for the people that are absolutely sure that ZOS is, any day now, going to completely upend the guild trader economy and destroy some of the largest and most active guilds and the single largest gold sink in the game. All they have to do is find a guild, any guild really like @Nestor said, and they would be selling stuff easy, but they won't do it. They won't even sell in zone chat.
I feel bad for them that they are missing out on a fun part of the game and all that gold they could be making, but I've done all I can!
Yeppers! you'll be selling items like candy with a shop in cold harbor... oh wait.. peeps are never there... but wait.. that's the guild you were invited to.. and they only have a shop there.. so you're screwed.. but yes! it's sooo easy to sell items in this game!
Actually it is very easy to sell stuff in the game, whether its in zone, or in trade guilds.
And Coldharbour as others have said, has a lot of players farming alchemy mats which sell good, and most people have the area on their to do list when buying stuf.
Sounds like a massive L2Trade issue.
No it's a massive game design issue.
You can't expect an economy that is broken up and scattered all over the place to work effectively. What you need is a robust economy that has easy access to the demand out there. Because most players are not going to spend hours hopping to different guild traders.Right?
Glad to see this forum post isn't full of just guild masters and officers!
I'm neither, as a buyer I wanted access to a few good stores from my bank, so joined some good trading guilds and quickly learnt how easy it is to also sell things, especially tailored to the location of your stall. From there I've really enjoyed all aspects of trading, in particular as a buyer. Hunting down them deals. And thus I feel for people that come from WOW and miss a trick on how to trade in this game, so help people understand
Are you Xbox? Can suggest a few mega guilds if you need.
I'll just never understand what there is to enjoy about warping over and over again to different guild traders hoping to find a good deal somewhere. How is that fun?
Yeah it could be a game design issue, but thats subjective to opinion, I and many players have never had any problems making millions in the game, and I as well as many once again, do not spend hours trawlling guild stores, maybe 5 mins or so, but then it pays to know the hot spots for items you are after, so it boils down to what I said again, trading is a mini game within the game, if you are not good at it, then you stay poor, if you do learn to trade, then you get rich fast.
So many ways of making gold in this game, that it defies belief, hell, even doing crafting writs on a few chars can net you 100K + a week, plus a array of gold mats, and thats just writs, never mind other activities.
System works effectively for many, join the club and learn, or stay poor and whine
ZoS dev. dat you? stay out of the forums, we don't need your "this game is a 10/10" propaganda.
Lol, nope I am not, just a player who has been here since the closed betas of 2013 and knows the game and its mechanics very well, and knows what they are talking about, unlike you.
You have no idea how to trade, many have tried advising you how to make millions, but you are too arrogant or stupid to take it on board.
And I have never said this game is 10/10, I and many have been here since the very beginning of the game, on PC, and seen so many changes, so hardly propaganda.
But nice try at attempting to burn me, enjoy being a poor scrub who is too arrogant to take advice from people who know better, lol, just lol.
Was gonns say, making the first million is the hardest, after that, its easy, but due to your arrogance in learning from better traders who to make gold in the game, I can see you being poor in the game for a very long time, till you wake up.
A "Poor scrub" wowzer! would love to hang out with an elitist like yourself, you sound super nice! For someone to ask for a better to sell items in this game, doesn't mean they are poor or a scrub, but way to turn on your elitist buff. I'm doing quite well in this game cash wise, I have all the gear I need, but that doesn't mean that this game is about "me." I'm asking for a Market Board, for all players. A better economy suits all peeps that play this game. The guild masters will just have to learn to adapt to the new economy.
P.S. I play FFXIV quite a lot, and run into peeps like you all the time, think that being there since beta, means you're pro lvl at the game, when in fact, you're probably one of the worst players in the game, due to cockiness.
And like my GREAT buddy wayfarerx would say: "Context" bro!
You had a go at me first laddie, telling em -to stay out of the forums and my propaganda was not required here? and other flattering terms, so yeah you had it coming.
And remotely not interested at all that you play other games, its not the same as ESO, and im a multi millionaire in the game, but its nothing special, as most are, but you did remark on the fact that no one bought your stuff for 30 days, they do if its valuable, and took offence in a statement you made earlier.
The system we have in the game works, might not be ideal, but it does work, plenty of people have no problem with it, you do, cos you cant sell stuff easily, not our problem, its yours, and myself and others tried to advise you to help, but you took it wrong, so yeah you came at me with personal attacks, I will always turn it about, hardly elitist, theres always gonna be a hierarchy in the game, the haves and have nots, its human nature and its in the game too, if you are empowered, you conquer, if you dont, you fall behind.
You choose what camp your in, its not elitism , its knowledge.
Your train of thought, and the way you explain things, is where the "elitist" part comes from. You speak of haves and have nots, about being empowered, and conquering. You're money and status in this game, had inflated your ego, and thus you cant see the great things that would come from a Market Board. The most affect peeps from the Market Board, would be the "Haves." the "have nots" would would actually have a chance to make money and enjoy the game more. But we cant have that.. all hail the "Haves" for they the elitist scum that we must praise.
I can see where you are coming from, but you did launch an attack on me, and regardless, before, I and others did, as said, try to give tips on how to make decent gold, thats there for all, and yeah that is exactly how it is in the game, personally I dont care if theres a market board or not, but you were making out its hard for people to make money from the game.
Elitists dont want anyone but themselves to have the gear or gold or whatever they want, I do, or else I would not have tried letting you know some tips for making gold, so you got the wrong end of the stick.
Remember elitits guard their possessions and status jealously, so my ego is hardly inflated, and I can see a lot of good things about a Market Board, but I dont see a huge necessity for one, as the current system, while flawed, does actually work, and it is very easy to make gold, if some cant do that, then thats on them, thats where the learning, and empowered thing comes in, the conquering their in game weaknesses, so again, hardly elitist.
If you dont progress, you stagnate, and in the essence of haves and have nots, thats the essence of it, all of which clearly went over your head.
This makes me giggle with joy as I reread it over and over.. i'll probably make it into a book to read on my nook, before bed every night: "..and I can see a lot of good things about a Market Board, but I dont see a huge necessity for one" - so you see it being a good thing.. check! "the current system, while flawed, does actually work" - so a flawed system, vs. a market board system, that you see as being a good thing.. check! Your Logic is um.. Flawed and not good.
Lol, so you reread my post over and over again etc?, there is so much I could say about that, but its hardly the place to say:}
Yeah there could be a lot of good things associated with a Market Board, but would be a massive sweeping change for the game, and I highly doubt if it will ever be implemented, but then again, with the current system, and with so many who know how to use the system, its very very very easy to make gold, and I think you are not as rich ingame as you think, hence the personal attacks on people and deliberately trying to be sarcastic yet failing miserably.
Pick your battles, you dont really care if people want this system in play or not, going by every post you have put in this incredibly hilarious thread, you have tried shooting down every single person trying to help you, which is so sad, yet it conveys volumes about your character.
So your logic, is flawed and um not good:}Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.
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✭✭this, and other threads similar, indicates a major disconnect in play styles.
one group - all i want to do is trials/pvp/delves/arenas/ etc (delete as applicable) and want everything else on a plate.
another group - here is a whole world to explore with many different things to do. i guess i will need to figure out how everything works so that i can really enjoy it.
and there probably are others....
there never will be agreement between the groups on what should, or shouldn't be in the game.
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✭✭✭✭✭@jedtb16_ESO its true, and ur right will always be the case.
But the two can co-exist if they are flexible in playstyle and adapt, rather than moaning about the game and wanting elements the other camp enjoy removed. If I expect COD and play ESO ill hate it, etc
HOWEVER. I've said multiple times, Cyrodill needs (maybe in place of Azuras or a quiet campaign) an Arcade mode. Bit like FPS games. You turn it on, pick a stock Class, all preset, yep you can change weopons etc just like in a FPS. It would give those just wanting action a place to play, instant gratification.
And arguably it would let the elites find out who is the best player. Just a concept Xbox One | EU | EP
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Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@jedtb16_ESO its true, and ur right will always be the case.
But the two can co-exist if they are flexible in playstyle and adapt, rather than moaning about the game and wanting elements the other camp enjoy removed. If I expect COD and play ESO ill hate it, etc
HOWEVER. I've said multiple times, Cyrodill needs (maybe in place of Azuras or a quiet campaign) an Arcade mode. Bit like FPS games. You turn it on, pick a stock Class, all preset, yep you can change weopons etc just like in a FPS. It would give those just wanting action a place to play, instant gratification.
And arguably it would let the elites find out who is the best player. Just a concept
your idea for an arcade mode does kind of exist.... the pts.
you can go there get a toon template and a boat load of gear and off you go...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I was actually thinking of PTS as I typed it. They should market as such ha.Xbox One | EU | EP
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1st Emperor of RavenwatchAlts - - for the Lolz
Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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Skcarkden✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS has stated multiple times that they do not want to add a global auction house.
Well I'm certainly not new around here but I can't remember the rationale any longer. Why don't they want to do it again? Remind me.
Also it seems to me that ZOS' willingness to flex with regards to sub model, B2P, how the cash shop works, sub benefits, PVE alliance locks, etc., makes revisiting things we think we know not completely pointless.
possible because with a distributed system the overhead is low. concentrate it in one place and the overhead would be off the scale.
Are you talking about the database requirements? GW2's system is multi-server and it works fine with a comparable population.It's not an insurmountable problem.
The original design here didn't even have guild trader kiosks. You could only buy within your guild or in Cyrodiil from a guild that claimed a keep. Buying from trading guilds you didn't belong to in rented locations came several months later.
I know they expressed some design principle reasons (not technical ones) about why they did it this way. I honestly just can't remember what those were
The story i heard originally was the dev in control of it didn't want people to be able to just simply buy the best gear over playing the game for it, so he designed the trade system to be as ironic as possible.
Like giving a cart wheels so it can move, but then at the same time making sure those wheels are square shaped so it can't move, why even bother in the first place?0 -
Skcarkden✭✭✭✭One thing i was also wondering, i always see in every AH thread the eventual "Oh great another thread asking for AH" suggesting that this game gets non stop "We want an AH" threads, but for the people who like to argue why having such an annoying, arrogant and stubborn guild trader system, any evidence to suggest the complete opposite ever happens in any other game that does have an AH? Like, do other games with AH ever make endless threads asking to remove AH and introduce a more time consuming version that can only be done through guilds and take a cut of players sales?0