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Milicent✭✭✭I wish I could search for X item without having to travel for the Tamriel.
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✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Auction house is bad, traders are good.
See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.
If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!
I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.
I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....
@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.
the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.
It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.
Zone chat FTW.
yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken
They have these nifty things called wayshrines... really they are all over the place. They let you move between zones all fast and stuff. Technology these days...
YES! I sooooooo want to travel to 8million different cities to spam WTS!!!! over and over! Thank you for this amazing idea! #wtf?
IKR, it's like with all this dungeon gear you actually have to go in the dungeon and KILL STUFF. Ain't got no time for that. It's like they're trying to make a game here or something as opposed to a big point-and-click menu interface.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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YES! I sooooooo want to travel to 8million different cities to spam WTS!!!! over and over! Thank you for this amazing idea! #wtf?
There are 8 million cities in Tamriel? I must be missing some zones* on my map.
*There are 20 zones in the game, so you only have to do this 20 times in zone chat, and your up arrow repeats the last thing you typed, and hitting the up arrow more than once cycles through the last things you typed. And, that is if you even need to go that far.I am not counting the Starter Islands as most people are not there to trade. In fact, I would even leave out Cyrodiil, Hews Bane and the Gold Coast too, so that is 17 zones. Given that Craglorn is currently a Farm zone, it's iffy if that should even be on the rotation too.
Edited by Nestor on September 2, 2016 8:47PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Milicent✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.————
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Thetwano✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
They are far from being the same:
Market Board: Sell items for a small tax when item sells.
Auction House: Sell items for a set price(buy out price -usually the highest price-), or a bid option with a lower price, where peeps then engage in a bid war to win the item. If no other bids are placed, you win buy default at a certain predetermined time period.
Wow... they're totally the same... oh wait.. you just found out they are not. Grats to you all!
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Thetwano✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Auction house is bad, traders are good.
See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.
If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!
I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.
I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....
@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.
the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.
It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.
Zone chat FTW.
yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken
They have these nifty things called wayshrines... really they are all over the place. They let you move between zones all fast and stuff. Technology these days...
YES! I sooooooo want to travel to 8million different cities to spam WTS!!!! over and over! Thank you for this amazing idea! #wtf?
IKR, it's like with all this dungeon gear you actually have to go in the dungeon and KILL STUFF. Ain't got no time for that. It's like they're trying to make a game here or something as opposed to a big point-and-click menu interface.
Yep a Market Board would totally turn this into a point-and-click game... Wow! Grats to you on making zero sense.0 -
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✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
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Wow... they're totally the same... oh wait.. you just found out they are not. Grats to you all!
The operational mechanics are irrelevant. It is still a centralized marketplace no matter how items are listed or priced. You want to go to one place and see everything for sale in the entire game. So, least amount of effort expended to find those rare items and bargains.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Auction house is bad, traders are good.
See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.
If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!
I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.
I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....
@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.
the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.
It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.
Zone chat FTW.
yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken
They have these nifty things called wayshrines... really they are all over the place. They let you move between zones all fast and stuff. Technology these days...
YES! I sooooooo want to travel to 8million different cities to spam WTS!!!! over and over! Thank you for this amazing idea! #wtf?
IKR, it's like with all this dungeon gear you actually have to go in the dungeon and KILL STUFF. Ain't got no time for that. It's like they're trying to make a game here or something as opposed to a big point-and-click menu interface.
Yep a Market Board would totally turn this into a point-and-click game... Wow! Grats to you on making zero sense.
It would absolutely turn trading into a point and click game, that's exactly what you're asking for and that's exactly what a whole lot of people here do not want. If that does not make sense then the problem is not on my end
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✭✭✭✭✭@Thetwano honestly if you put the effort you put into posting about it into using the guild stores you would have all the gear you need.
Your posts show you haven't taken all the advice offered.
Join pure trading guilds and you know they will have a trader. Sure a week miss here or their if they get out bid. But on the whole they have a good enough positon but...
...if you bothered to join one you would know selling is not all about the stalls. If you are in a Trading guild with 500 members, they can all access all the goods from any bank in Tamriel, a huge amount of my sales are within guild,via Guild Store not via the stall.
Join 4 traders and you can have access to 2000 Buyers for your goods, who 'get trading' and most importantly you can access 4 guild stores from any bank, with saved Searchs.....AND if you behave, you'll most probably get given access to the Guild Banks too
Lastly, what is all this stuff you are trawling for? If the game is used properly it should only be for rare things, things too lazy for farm for, or for deals. Most people who complain about AH or MB seem to use traders more than all those that get how to play the rounded game as they either don't craft or aren't in Guilds with people to help them with things
Rather than fixate on a solution, think about the problem and work with it! Or, you could carry on with current in game behaviour, feel frustrated and moan alot. Personally id take the advice offered across all the threads you have spammed.
I even offered you to bulk craft food etc if that's what ur after...
Edited by Beardimus on September 2, 2016 8:55PMXbox One | EU | EP
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Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
I am in none of those "certain" guilds. I get on average, 3 to 4 kiosks per week to sell my wares through. None of the guilds I am in are affiliated with any other trading guild. 4 of them are Social Guilds (well one is a Trade Guild, but its kind of Social), and one is very small.
And, I sell everything I list. I can also buy just about anything I want just from the guilds I am in.
Edited by Nestor on September 3, 2016 8:07PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Milicent✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.
Nope. People hate it because the control the current system. It is already gamed by people, in the meanwhile a lot of people can't sell their items because they need to join certain guilds to do that.
I don't hate the current system, those people feel like the virtual gold is important, that's ok, I only wish I could search the item i want without visiting a lot of cities, you find it fun, i find it boring.————
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Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Hugely depends what your looking for....I searched almost all Guild traders in all DC zones, AD silver, and EP gold zones on my main , looking for a blue food recipe level 20-35....with NO LUCK after wasting nearly an hour......sure its a useless leveling blue provisioning recipe but imagine if i wanted to attempt to buy it on my level 25 alt who has access to a quarter of the zones...good luck with that.
Of course after typing all this, I realize that it may not matter after One Tamriel,
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Thetwano✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.0
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Thetwano✭@Thetwano honestly if you put the effort you put into posting about it into using the guild stores you would have all the gear you need.
Your posts show you haven't taken all the advice offered.
Join pure trading guilds and you know they will have a trader. Sure a week miss here or their if they get out bid. But on the whole they have a good enough positon but...
...if you bothered to join one you would know selling is not all about the stalls. If you are in a Trading guild with 500 members, they can all access all the goods from any bank in Tamriel, a huge amount of my sales are within guild,via Guild Store not via the stall.
Join 4 traders and you can have access to 2000 Buyers for your goods, who 'get trading' and most importantly you can access 4 guild stores from any bank, with saved Searchs.....AND if you behave, you'll most probably get given access to the Guild Banks too
Lastly, what is all this stuff you are trawling for? If the game is used properly it should only be for rare things, things too lazy for farm for, or for deals. Most people who complain about AH or MB seem to use traders more than all those that get how to play the rounded game as they either don't craft or aren't in Guilds with people to help them with things
Rather than fixate on a solution, think about the problem and work with it! Or, you could carry on with current in game behaviour, feel frustrated and moan alot. Personally id take the advice offered across all the threads you have spammed.
I even offered you to bulk craft food etc if that's what ur after...
^ this guy again. I don't have an issue with gear. I have all my champ 160 gear made, and have most at gold status. My issue is for bettering this game for all peeps, not just my self. Great of you to miss the point as always.0 -
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✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.
Nope. People hate it because the control the current system. It is already gamed by people, in the meanwhile a lot of people can't sell their items because they need to join certain guilds to do that.
I don't hate the current system, those people feel like the virtual gold is important, that's ok, I only wish I could search the item i want without visiting a lot of cities, you find it fun, i find it boring.
People keep saying this kind of stuff: "the big guilds control the system," "it's gamed by rich players," "I can't sell anything without a stall in Rawl." The people who are actually in trading guilds and actually use the trading features in the game don't see any of this. My trading guild with a Mournhold trader is stereotyped from people outside the system as some dark syndicate of rich, malevolent market manipulators. In reality it's just a bunch of gamers selling stuff and buying raffle tickets with the occasional "LFG pledges" in guild chat.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
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Hugely depends what your looking for....I searched almost all Guild traders in all DC zones, AD silver, and EP gold zones on my main , looking for a blue food recipe level 20-35....with NO LUCK after wasting nearly an hour......sure its a useless leveling blue provisioning recipe but imagine if i wanted to attempt to buy it on my level 25 alt who has access to a quarter of the zones...good luck with that.
Of course after typing all this, I realize that it may not matter after One Tamriel,
@Zolron
Blue leveling recipes are the rarest ones in the game, particularly the ones from L10 to L30. With the ones from L20 to L30 being the rarest sub segment in the game. How do I know this, I have 4 Alts parked in Zone 2 doing Recipe Level 2 Writs to get these rare little gems and I sell them for lots of gold. I can get 5 figures for most of them. And I price them nicely, others have bought from me and listed them for 5 times what I had them listed for, and sell them.
Highland Rabbit Stew? Rarest item in the game. Drops less often than the Imperial Motif does. I have seen that listed, and probably sold, for 50K, on the PC/NA server where things are usually cheaper than any other platform or server.
And, come One Tamriel, we are going to look back on these times as when it was easy to get all the recipes for the game. They way they are going to scale recipes, you can pretty much forget about farming containers for any leveling recipes unless your character has a Recipe Level in the 1 to 4 range. Come to think of it, if people wise up and only have one character at full recipe level, and set their recipe levels on their alts to some intermediate level, then maybe the market will loosen up on these.
But, given that so many only play one character, and most max out or just ignore recipe levels on the characters they do play, recipes are only going to get rarer and rarer in the new game.
Edited by Nestor on September 2, 2016 9:07PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you seem like you're new around here. This has come up over and over again since launch. The devs like the current system, most of the players like the current system, it is deeply entrenched in the structure of how the game works. It's not going to be changed, end of story.
Go play WoW if that's what you want so badly.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
Milicent✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.
Nope. People hate it because the control the current system. It is already gamed by people, in the meanwhile a lot of people can't sell their items because they need to join certain guilds to do that.
I don't hate the current system, those people feel like the virtual gold is important, that's ok, I only wish I could search the item i want without visiting a lot of cities, you find it fun, i find it boring.
People keep saying this kind of stuff: "the big guilds control the system," "it's gamed by rich players," "I can't sell anything without a stall in Rawl." The people who are actually in trading guilds and actually use the trading features in the game don't see any of this. My trading guild with a Mournhold trader is stereotyped from people outside the system as some dark syndicate of rich, malevolent market manipulators. In reality it's just a bunch of gamers selling stuff and buying raffle tickets with the occasional "LFG pledges" in guild chat.
Nice! I'm also a gamer with stuff i want to sell, and stuff i want to buy, but i can't sell because i'm not on any of those guilds (i shouldn't have to be in one to sell my stuff) and i can't buy because finding stuff is a pain.————
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Thetwano✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you seem like you're new around here. This has come up over and over again since launch. The devs like the current system, most of the players like the current system, it is deeply entrenched in the structure of how the game works. It's not going to be changed, end of story.
Go play WoW if that's what you want so badly.
Believe is saw a post that said it was 51/49 or 49/51 on this topic. that sure doesn't seem like the majority like it... weird how that works.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭if you love the other systems why not head back to them if this one is so archaic for you, as honestly fella you have been given like 20 pointers on how to work with the current system better and you ain't listening.
If ZOS cut out anything with effort in this game we would all have 1000 skills points, all monster sets, 1 million gold, all the lore books etc etc, is that what you want?
I'm u sure what aspect to the game you like, but I know some PvEers hate needing PvP skills, and PvPers who hate doing dungeons to get BIS gear. If ZOS changed the game for everyone was too lazy to do one section of the games we really would have WOW on our hands. Or Pokémon!Xbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
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Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.
Nope. People hate it because the control the current system. It is already gamed by people, in the meanwhile a lot of people can't sell their items because they need to join certain guilds to do that.
I don't hate the current system, those people feel like the virtual gold is important, that's ok, I only wish I could search the item i want without visiting a lot of cities, you find it fun, i find it boring.
People keep saying this kind of stuff: "the big guilds control the system," "it's gamed by rich players," "I can't sell anything without a stall in Rawl." The people who are actually in trading guilds and actually use the trading features in the game don't see any of this. My trading guild with a Mournhold trader is stereotyped from people outside the system as some dark syndicate of rich, malevolent market manipulators. In reality it's just a bunch of gamers selling stuff and buying raffle tickets with the occasional "LFG pledges" in guild chat.
Nice! I'm also a gamer with stuff i want to sell, and stuff i want to buy, but i can't sell because i'm not on any of those guilds (i shouldn't have to be in one to sell my stuff) and i can't buy because finding stuff is a pain.
PS4 - NA - PS4 - EU
Those forums are full of trading guilds that want to recruit, jump in!@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Milicent✭✭✭Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.
Same thing by a different name. It's like calling a Home a Dwelling. Its still a place where someone lives.
If you really want to get specific, what you are calling a Market Board and others call an Auction House is just a Centralized Market.
Still, its only because people don't want to spend time searching for rare items, which makes them not rare anymore. Or, they want bargains, and they are not willing to search for them. I can shop at any Trading center in any decent sized town, that has 5 or more Kiosks, and find what I need. It may not be at the price I want, but that is on me to pay the prices there, or try to find a bargain. I don't expect to be able to find rare items without some effort, either by farming for them directly or by farming the kiosks.
Nah, let's be honest, people hate the centralized market idea because with that everybody would be able to sell their items without joining certain guilds, and of course those people don't want that because prices would go lower and lower.
People hate the central market idea because it is bland and boring and will be endlessly gamed by people like me, at least that's why I hate it.
Nope. People hate it because the control the current system. It is already gamed by people, in the meanwhile a lot of people can't sell their items because they need to join certain guilds to do that.
I don't hate the current system, those people feel like the virtual gold is important, that's ok, I only wish I could search the item i want without visiting a lot of cities, you find it fun, i find it boring.
People keep saying this kind of stuff: "the big guilds control the system," "it's gamed by rich players," "I can't sell anything without a stall in Rawl." The people who are actually in trading guilds and actually use the trading features in the game don't see any of this. My trading guild with a Mournhold trader is stereotyped from people outside the system as some dark syndicate of rich, malevolent market manipulators. In reality it's just a bunch of gamers selling stuff and buying raffle tickets with the occasional "LFG pledges" in guild chat.
Nice! I'm also a gamer with stuff i want to sell, and stuff i want to buy, but i can't sell because i'm not on any of those guilds (i shouldn't have to be in one to sell my stuff) and i can't buy because finding stuff is a pain.
PS4 - NA - PS4 - EU
Those forums are full of trading guilds that want to recruit, jump in!
Thanks, but I don't want to have to join certain guilds to sell my stuff. But thanks
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✭✭✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you seem like you're new around here. This has come up over and over again since launch. The devs like the current system, most of the players like the current system, it is deeply entrenched in the structure of how the game works. It's not going to be changed, end of story.
Go play WoW if that's what you want so badly.
Believe is saw a post that said it was 51/49 or 49/51 on this topic. that sure doesn't seem like the majority like it... weird how that works.
Here's the most recent poll, its 51% to 48% for keeping the guild traders. While it's a slim majority, it is none the less a majority. That's how this works, weird or not.
Throw in the fact that the devs like what we have now and boom, time to guild up.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion0 -
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Hugely depends what your looking for....I searched almost all Guild traders in all DC zones, AD silver, and EP gold zones on my main , looking for a blue food recipe level 20-35....with NO LUCK after wasting nearly an hour......sure its a useless leveling blue provisioning recipe but imagine if i wanted to attempt to buy it on my level 25 alt who has access to a quarter of the zones...good luck with that.
Of course after typing all this, I realize that it may not matter after One Tamriel,
The level 20/25 blue recipes are the rarest in the game, and not too far behind are the level 30/35 blue recipes, that's why you can't find them very easily and an AH/MB wouldn't change that. If you're just after any blue recipe at those levels make yourself 2/6 in provisioning so you're doing writs in your alliances second zone and you should get one in a few days.EU - EP - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Magicka DPS - CP160
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Nice! I'm also a gamer with stuff i want to sell, and stuff i want to buy, but i can't sell because i'm not on any of those guilds (i shouldn't have to be in one to sell my stuff) and i can't buy because finding stuff is a pain.
You don't have to join those guilds. You can do this from your social guilds. As I posted above, I have 2 to 5 Kiosks, avg of 3 to 4, per week, to sell through. And, everything I list sells.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Thetwano✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you seem like you're new around here. This has come up over and over again since launch. The devs like the current system, most of the players like the current system, it is deeply entrenched in the structure of how the game works. It's not going to be changed, end of story.
Go play WoW if that's what you want so badly.
Believe is saw a post that said it was 51/49 or 49/51 on this topic. that sure doesn't seem like the majority like it... weird how that works.
Here's the most recent poll, its 51% to 48% for keeping the guild traders. While it's a slim majority, it is none the less a majority. That's how this works, weird or not.
Throw in the fact that the devs like what we have now and boom, time to guild up.
Going to save this quote from you, then in a year, when we have a beautiful market Board to along with the beautiful ONE TAMRIEL(which peeps also didn't want, mind you), ill be laughing with delight.1 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You guys might want to create a game called: Fantasy World RPers Delight Simulator! This is an MMORPG! Market Boards are a thing. If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing a fantasy game. ZoS will see the light, i.e. One Tamriel. This game will continue to go the way of the standard MMOs, because certain things work right, and Guild Stores aren't one of those "right" things. Sorry to break it you all.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but you seem like you're new around here. This has come up over and over again since launch. The devs like the current system, most of the players like the current system, it is deeply entrenched in the structure of how the game works. It's not going to be changed, end of story.
Go play WoW if that's what you want so badly.
Believe is saw a post that said it was 51/49 or 49/51 on this topic. that sure doesn't seem like the majority like it... weird how that works.
Here's the most recent poll, its 51% to 48% for keeping the guild traders. While it's a slim majority, it is none the less a majority. That's how this works, weird or not.
Throw in the fact that the devs like what we have now and boom, time to guild up.
Going to save this quote from you, then in a year, when we have a beautiful market Board to along with the beautiful ONE TAMRIEL(which peeps also didn't want, mind you), ill be laughing with delight.
You are not the first to have said as much to me and will almost certainly not be the last
So far no one has popped back up in three years and really stuck it to me about that glorious central market that's just right around the corner so I'm not worried.
Also, people have been asking for something like One Tamriel forever.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion0