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snakester320 wrote: »

And the argument starts again:) lmfao but yes im for a market board allowing everyone to sell how and when they want .. can find some good deals with traders now and then... but selling is a pain in the arse joined a guild with a trader they lost it the next week stuck spamming WTS messages in chat coupled with ppl looking for daily dungeon runs YAY great fun!! i would prefer to stick my item on a market board and go do other things not spend hours trying to sell in chat!!

Yeppers! Spamming WTS all day long to try to make money.. takes away from actually playing the game.. and its kinda annoying to have to pay a guild 5k+ a week just to have a better chance at selling your goods!

Market Boards are a MUST is modern day MMOs. And before the "Lore" peeps coming out to play, this is an MMORPG, not an RPG like the other Elder Scrolls. Market Boards are needed for a healthy economy.

It is a blind auction. Only those in your guild who have the right to bid can see your guilds bidding.
A guild can only bid for one trader. Therefor it can have only one trader.
You can have a second one in cyrodiil when you capture a keep.

Some very large guilds opened a second one to have places for their members.
Like "Veteran Pact Trade" and "Veteran Pact Trade II". But rechnicaly they are two different guilds.

Edit:
About central aucton house/market board... I like the guild trader system. But I really would like
some improvements....that terrible UI...give us a god damn search option! We on PC can use the "awesome guild store" addon to get the options that should have been there right from the start, but consoles are pretty much *** here.
Even with an AH there would be problems. It would be much easier to offer stuff, but that doesn't mean it would actually sell. Also those who play the market would destroy econmy very quickly. The time it takes to travel around is the only thing that makes it harder to corner the market. Crap wouldn't sell with an AH, rare stuff or just those in demand would sky rocket. Even now you can put something cheap in a store and watch it getting bought an relisted within minutes.

Market board is just auction house in disguise. The guild system is better.

helediron wrote: »

Market board is just auction house in disguise. The guild system is better.

Market Board vs. Auction house: Market Board - you pay the price posted, plus a small tax. Auction House - you pay the higher price(the "buy now" option) or make a bid, and get in a bid war with other peeps. So... NO, Market Boards and Auction Houses are nothing alike. I'm asking that Zeni makes a Market Board system in this game, because it's the best option for an MMO.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

given that there are four ways for a player to buy and sell stuff why should the devs divert resources into making a fifth?

Because the current way of selling items is completely screwed up. To make people sit in town and yell in voice chat that they have an item to sell(which only peeps in that zone can hear them) or go into TEXT chat and spam WTS -item- over and over(again, only peeps in that zone can see it), or "Try" to sell in a guild store(which 9/10 times peep's guilds aren't big and aren't in decent areas to get noticed) and their stuff doesn't sell, and they lose the item posting fee.. and don't make money... this doesn't sound like a good way to make money at all.. but sure.. let's not ask Zeni to fix the system, put resources into a Market Board system.. cause hey.. screw peeps!

Kemono wrote: »

Market board is good idea.

i also have very similiar idea like that, and with higher chances to be accepted by Zenimax


"House owners Association"
All house owner should auto join (on house purchase) ONE extra guild >> "House owners" and while this guild would not offer a bank nor even a chat (it could be there, just those option are not really important here)
it should offer a Guild trader >> avaible ONLY from your house "market board shrine"

yes, im talking here about server wide -huge guild with ~1 MILION members

Now -all memebrs of "house owners" guild should be able to buy from the store -
BUT only folks that purchase crown store "Market board shrine trading Upgrade" would be able to sell in this guild.
upgrade cost: 2500 crown
"Market board shrine trade upgrade" would allow to post up to 100 item per account

Btw -all systems that are allready in game -like Guild kiosk would stay in game unchanged, cos it looks that some folks like them.

All folks that dont like them -would change to new Market Board.


This idea is focused on giving some utility to housing, i see absolutly no purpose for pure "cosmetic housing" option without any added functionality, and more "bag space"is not really all that needed now with crafting bag allready in game

Can't say I'm on board with a 2500 crown purchase.. nor any crown purchase to make selling items in game easier... that's kinda counter productive... make it "slightly" easier to see items in game at the cost of your real world money! No thanks.

Zenimax should be on board with optimizing this game with a Market Baord.. simply because, the economy in this game, is just one more factor that keeps peeps away from this game. They should be doing anything and everything to make this game more functional for ALL of its players.

Beardimus wrote: »

This topic again every once in a while it comes up. If you search on Auction House you will see all the other threads with the pros and cons, and for those 'that' get the system the pro's of the current system are much better for buyer and seller alike.

People want AH / market board as they are lazy, no other reason. But it would undermine some great principles' that the current system has for both buyer (deals) and seller

I went to 10 different town locations yesterday morning in 15 minutes looking for one staff. It really doesn't take too long.

1. Craft all your own basics so you only need a store for big / rare items You are too lazy / not fusssed to farm (motifs / weapons etc)
2. Join GOOD trading guilds. These won't have fees, and over time will even allow bank access. I use 4 like this so any bank I can search 4 traders in a matter of minutes (with saved searchs)
3. Work out the best spots. Certain stores have better prices than others hence right now deals can be had. Auction house would wreck that as everyone would set similar prices

AH is lore breaking, and would be open to monopoly and manipulation by the big guilds.

You can easily do everything you need / want to do with the current system if you play the game right. If you want to treat it like WOW then sure you will get frustrated. Just learn this game.

As a newcomer to MMO I've very happy with the current system.

I knew the "lore" peeps would make it here soon enough! And no.. it's not because we're Lazy, it's because its just plain good MMO design to have a modern Market Board. I shouldn't have to waste time going all over to different cities to find one item. I should just be able to go to a Market board, look up the item, and bam! Found it, got the item, and now i'm back to gaming. The only peeps I can see that wouldn't want a "Market Board" (Never did I say they should make an Auction House) is the peeps that own Guilds, and wont be making easy cash off the peeps that use their stores to sell items. Those peeps are the Lazy ones. Great design = market board. Bad design = Guild Stores.

This notion of "breaks the Lore" ... this isn't The elder scrolls: Skyrim, Morrowind, or Oblivion, this The Elder Scrolls Online (an MMORPG) you're Lore is already broken, because it doesn't have the same mechanics at work as a single player RPG. Having a Market Board "technology" would fit just fine in this universe.. you buy in guild stores and the item is sent to a mail box in your inventory.. sooo magical..

MARKET BOARD! YES PLEASE! please make this happen Zenimax.

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Oh yes please give us a market board so the people with 25+ million gold can buy up all the gold improvement items and drive their prices up to 50k each, as well are driving up the prices on alchemy supplies and every other thing we use all the time.

Such a brilliant idea is so much better then what we have now that keeps prices reasonable and prevents those ultra rich players from easily manipulating the market.

I will take the time of looking through guild store for a reasonable price over turning control of the economy over to the richest players any day of the week. If those of you supporting this want to destroy an economy and cause mass inflation do it elsewhere thanks.

What.... da.. Freak are you going on about?!?

Market Board = more peeps selling in ONE place, which means... MORE COMPETION! Prices will actually drop, and a more "Normal" price point will emerge on almost all items.

The concept of a selling market board as mentioned here is fairly moot in my opinion... ZoS have said several times they aren't changing guild traders & have bigger fish to fry...

BUT... where I think this could be adapted very nicely is for crafting requests....

A board that people can post a crafting request (Along with the COD money to pay for it)... crafters can come along and take the quest/writ/whatever for that request and then have say 15mins to fulfill it... gear is sent to the buyer, gold goes to the crafter.

Thetwano wrote: »

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Oh yes please give us a market board so the people with 25+ million gold can buy up all the gold improvement items and drive their prices up to 50k each, as well are driving up the prices on alchemy supplies and every other thing we use all the time.

Such a brilliant idea is so much better then what we have now that keeps prices reasonable and prevents those ultra rich players from easily manipulating the market.

I will take the time of looking through guild store for a reasonable price over turning control of the economy over to the richest players any day of the week. If those of you supporting this want to destroy an economy and cause mass inflation do it elsewhere thanks.

What.... da.. Freak are you going on about?!?

Market Board = more peeps selling in ONE place, which means... MORE COMPETION! Prices will actually drop, and a more "Normal" price point will emerge on almost all items.

What they are going on about is that there is a powerhouse in the game of people with millions upon millions sat there...

With the auction house idea you have everything in one place... this makes it VERY easy for these people to just buy up all the items they want.... they can then repost at a higher price.... then you get smaller sellers seeing the new higher price & don't want to lose out...

With everything in one place market manipulation is easy.... with a varied & dispersed system like the guild traders its far harder to do that.

Even for the fools who call us who want an AH 'lazy'. You're sitting at a screen yourself when you could be out playing ball instead of ironically calling others lazy.

I bought this game to play, not waste time searching for things because a system is just overkill and some people with even more time on their hands and bought the game for the wrong reasons thinks i'm lazy.

This is Elder Scrolls, not trader simulator 1991: DIY Edition.

As for the lore argument some people like to stupidly make. Guild traders break it too when they can magically pull anything they're given out of their pockets.


But if you're really nitpicky about such things, just pretend the entire game is one big guild then. Suddenly it's the same thing. no lore broken.

Beardimus wrote: »

Honestly @Thetwano you miss the point. You talk about trading like its in the way to your gaming. This isn't a FPS, its an MMO, (in fact its not its more online RPG by Zos own terms but anyhow I digress)

My point is for a huge amount of people trading, IS the game. These 'sinister' people that you think are ripping you off, for.some of them trading is all they do. So when you say 'back to gaming' consider that. That is my point. Right now, if you put a degree more effort into crafting and trading you would find it so much easier.

So let's expand my point. You refer to 'getting back to gaming' say my gaming is trading. And I want all Vet dungeons made easier so I can get the loot easier to sell it. How would you like that? See my point. In effect you want an aspect of the game you don't like destroyed to make it easier for you.

This game is vast. And there are RPG guys and pvpers and pveers and traders. And the game covers it all how it is now.

As for the trading guilds do you have any idea how much a trader costs? Sometimes the bid is millions. Alot of guilds the GM has to brunt the cost, in particular if people don't sell / fill their slots. Sure there are guilds.making millions but they out effort in to do it.

If I spend hours harvesting Kuta's in my game time why should t I profit for it?

My love of the current system is as a BUYER. Not a trader / seller. Deals.can be had right now and a AH / Market board would trash it.

I do hear you on a improved search function. Like I have for the guilds stores in my bank that saves last search. But that's all.thats needed to help now.

Still to my point ALL comments about wanting AH / MB are are laziness or timesaving. Ans wrecking an element of the game for a load of people to make it easier for some due so a slippery slope!!!

Sorry I actually didn't understand most of what you were saying, it was a little "broken English" to me.

But from what I did "sorta" get from your long speech, is that most of the peeps on this game are traders/crafters. This is probably very far from the truth. Generally in MMOs, the crafters/traders are rather small in population, and thus the crafted items are more expensive, because there isn't a lot of peeps to compete against. This game is no different.

This Game is big on "farmers" who farm bosses/delves/etc.. to get the high ticket items, then sell them at crazy high prices. This fuels a bad economy.

As it was mentioned before your post, about ZoS having other fish to fry, the economy is a pretty big fish the needs frying! And hopefully they'll wake up and see this. This is by far the worst economy I've seen in a modern day MMO.. which is sad.. But hey! keep fighting for the Guild Stores all you Guild owners/officers! keep fattening them pockets! YUM YUM! MONEY!

And NO.. I never thought this was a FPS... Beardimus, you have a special place in my heart now, for this weird post you made, and for the weird FPS comment.

Sorry if the wording wasn't queens English, and any pedantry meant my point was not articulated chap, sent from a phone whilst walking or if you mean English is not your first language, either way sorry for that. I wanted the reply out the way as it was getting in the way of my day, lazy of me!!

Rather than 'having a pop' .... I've actually come on here to help you with other solutions to your problem. That's actually me trying to help, suggestions on ways around your problem, but also helping you to see other viewpoints. But you are pretty set, and aren't too keen to listen, but it's cool bro. The time spent on here about it you could have done all the traders twice and right now, no change planned on traders so if you wont bend like the reeds you could get bitter, id hate that as id prefer everyone to enjoy the full richness of the game

The FPS comment (OTT ill accept) is regarding your want to get this bit out the way to go 'play/game' that's my whole point. So what is this 'gaming' to you? My case is that im sure everyone has an element of the game they want out the way to just play. Some PvErs hate needing PvP for certain skills, PvPers hate dungeon farms for monster gear. I try to play all the game, in its entirety and embrace it. I'm desperate for a staff to complete my set right now so am doing the trawl untill I find the item and deal I want, yes its effort but man it's gunna reward when I find it. If all the above was made simpler as people just wanted their one element we wouldn't have a game as rounded as this.

I do hope you find a workaround you are happy with as I have. Good luck.

Ps if i can craft you anything you need in batches to save you looking for food / drinks more than happy to help. I know some people than moan about AH use traders daily for items which is insane! Crafting, good trading guilds and guild mate crafters make life So much easier.

Hmm...I think it is a waste of time to explain something to Thetwano. He denies or ignores anything that's not his opinion. Even with undeniable proof shoved into his face he goes on. Just have a look at his rant about hair style packet: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3270788/#Comment_3270788