Resources "Stamina Ghost Drains" [With Proof]

Perwulf · August 2016

Anyone experienced this while doing pvps? It just seems that no matter how high my stamina regen is, it doesn't regen that much making it hard to recover from 0 stamina but after a closer observation in my stamina bar i noticed that after using certain skill (not sure which but i suspect it's poison arrow) my stamina goes down for no apparent reason, the deduction number is the same as my stamina regen so instead of regenerating the stamina loss it instead deducts it then regenerates again hence rending the stamina bar go left and right, not in stealth, no other status effect, and no siege weapons used on me.

Note: Stamina drain is the same as my current stam regen 1.6k so instead of giving back that 1.6k it instead drains it then regenerate1.6k again then drains 1.6k again and so on, this goes on for like 6-10 seconds.

ryanborror · August 2016

Stamina poison

Perwulf · August 2016

ryanborror wrote: »

Stamina poison

I mean i'm the one using poison arrows and as stated my debuffs status are clear

Izaki · August 2016

What he meant was, someone was applying a poison on you which drains your stamina.

Waffennacht · August 2016

If it's truly not what you are doing, its the stam poisons (adds 60% to your moves cost)

I'm still trying to figure how you know when you're under the effects of poison

Perwulf · August 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

What he meant was, someone was applying a poison on you which drains your stamina.

Nope, checked status in character (C) and add-ons debuff bar nothin

Waffennacht wrote: »

If it's truly not what you are doing, its the stam poisons (adds 60% to your moves cost)

I'm still trying to figure how you know when you're under the effects of poison

I'm using AUI it displays debuff and buffs status i can see when i have been inflicted by poison or not

runagate · August 2016

I've had it happen on rare occasion when off by myself on my two-handed/bow stamina character but not my other characters. It usually goes away after a while and I've never figured out what caused it. When alone the only skill I'd likely be using is Rapids.

Perwulf · August 2016

runagate wrote: »

I've had it happen on rare occasion when off by myself on my two-handed/bow stamina character but not my other characters. It usually goes away after a while and I've never figured out what caused it. When alone the only skill I'd likely be using is Rapids.

Same i'm using 2h/bow dunno what's causing it but i often had when i'm using bow where my dps abilities and buffs are slotted

Jade1986 · August 2016

ravenarc wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

I've had it happen on rare occasion when off by myself on my two-handed/bow stamina character but not my other characters. It usually goes away after a while and I've never figured out what caused it. When alone the only skill I'd likely be using is Rapids.

Same i'm using 2h/bow dunno what's causing it but i often had when i'm using bow where my dps abilities and buffs are slotted

Had the same thing happen with SnB/ bow, happens with my magicka too sometimes, just POOF gone. Even tho i am not poisoned

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

If it's truly not what you are doing, its the stam poisons (adds 60% to your moves cost)

I'm still trying to figure how you know when you're under the effects of poison

There's a faint sapphire-blue particle effect and noise when the poison first procs on you. I asked a friend on another alliance and he showed me by light attacking me with poison equipped while nothing else was going on. It's really faint and short so good luck seeing it in battle under all the other effects, especially if you're a sorc.

Perwulf · August 2016

laced wrote: »

ravenarc wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

I've had it happen on rare occasion when off by myself on my two-handed/bow stamina character but not my other characters. It usually goes away after a while and I've never figured out what caused it. When alone the only skill I'd likely be using is Rapids.

Same i'm using 2h/bow dunno what's causing it but i often had when i'm using bow where my dps abilities and buffs are slotted

Had the same thing happen with SnB/ bow, happens with my magicka too sometimes, just POOF gone. Even tho i am not poisoned

Never experience the magically gone resources bar but i've seen few videos from youtube, mines different it was decreasing gradually then regenerates , my stamina regen is at 1641 so when the bug happens it +1641 stamina then -1641 rendering my regeneration neutral for like 10 seconds tops

Jade1986 · August 2016

ravenarc wrote: »

laced wrote: »

ravenarc wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

I've had it happen on rare occasion when off by myself on my two-handed/bow stamina character but not my other characters. It usually goes away after a while and I've never figured out what caused it. When alone the only skill I'd likely be using is Rapids.

Same i'm using 2h/bow dunno what's causing it but i often had when i'm using bow where my dps abilities and buffs are slotted

Had the same thing happen with SnB/ bow, happens with my magicka too sometimes, just POOF gone. Even tho i am not poisoned

Never experience the magically gone resources bar but i've seen few videos from youtube, mines different it was decreasing gradually then regenerates , my stamina regen is at 1641 so when the bug happens it +1641 stamina then -1641 rendering my regeneration neutral for like 10 seconds tops

Even worse is when I use my ultimate, I just stand still and then suddenly have NO resources and die, and apparently I had 5 people attacking me, even tho I only had 40 ms latency.

Vencenzo · August 2016

Can confirm this is not poison.

Most often occurrence is after gaining the continous attack buff at a resource for me. If I'm not at full stam/magika when the buff applies I lose exactly the amount my regen is then it sits there for about 10 seconds. It's also happened with stam when I'm sprinting sometimes and get stuck on something but I haven't been able to replicate it 100%.

Thinking a bit more on what's causing it.. It may be a bug related to anything that modifies your cost or regen. Poisons, continous attack, and sprint all do.

rfennell_ESO · August 2016

I haven't the vaguest idea what causes it, but I see it occur versus dragonknights semi-regularly.

WhiteMage · August 2016

I use AUI too and I have noticed a similar phenomenon with my magicka on my pvp magplar. It typically happens (or really, noticed) when I'm at 50% or lower, or otherwise trying to regen to full. My magicka bar will increase and then decrease back to whatever value it was and then increase again. This will happen a various number of times at intervals as I regen to full (regen in this case I mean anything that restores magicka, so passive magicka regeneration, restoration heavy attack, and channeled focus). Perhaps this is an AUI issue, but I have also experienced fluctuations in my HP bar when I heal. Often I pop a BoL at, say, 40% and my health bar jumps to full, but then quickly drops to 70%. This is actually the correct health value the heal should provide but the false impression that I am at full health for even half a second can be very dangerous. It's almost as if it is adjusting my health before battlespirit, then remembers I'm in pvp.

Vencenzo · August 2016

I don't run AUI, so not that.

Thornen · August 2016

Had it happen a few times and from what I can figure out its a status debuff on a player or target affected by 1 of your aoes or hots that actually causes you to lose resources. It's a pita trying to duplicate it but caltrops, vigor and mutagen seem to be the main offenders.

Perwulf · August 2016

Thornen wrote: »

Had it happen a few times and from what I can figure out its a status debuff on a player or target affected by 1 of your aoes or hots that actually causes you to lose resources. It's a pita trying to duplicate it but caltrops, vigor and mutagen seem to be the main offenders.

So it's a bug then, ZOS better fix this in the next hotfix.

Toc de Malsvi · August 2016

This has happened to me for a long while now and is what pushed me more into cost reduction over recovery. I have noticed that if I can get up well over 2k recovery its less noticeable, if I am down near 1k recovery there are times where my bar will simply decrease until its all gone. I have caught it during really laggy situations where I have looked at my character stat sheet and it read 0 recovery, as if it thought I was blocking or sneaking when I wasn't.

Ampnode · August 2016

Happens to me as well, and even on both magicka and stamina builds. Some sort of desync problem or w/e. Being as health bars get desync'd to hell, it'd make sense that other resource bars do as well.

bebynnag · August 2016

using vigour can consume an equiped poison

could the 2 bugs be related? does using vigor consume a poison applying the negative status to you? do the snakeblood passives from alchemy have a function afterall?

Daveheart · August 2016

For those with this issue, is there any chance that you were grouped with someone who could have been hit with an oil catapult? I've had issues like this before the poisons were introduced, and the only other stam drain would be ability use or an oil catapult. I'm wondering if it's possible that particular group buffs (maybe retreating maneuvers?) may cause you to be counted as being hit by the cat even if you weren't in the AoE. It's pure speculation, but seems plausible enough given weird past bugs.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

OP are you in the habit of block cancelling your animations? Doing this while standing in aoe or taking dots will drain your stam v.quickly. This is what usually kills me when fighting mdks; they stack you up with dots and I'm so used to block cancelling I'm out of stam before I know what's going on.

Edit: I have the same problem in Seht's Balcony (stage 2 of vMA)

Perwulf · August 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP are you in the habit of block cancelling your animations? Doing this while standing in aoe or taking dots will drain your stam v.quickly. This is what usually kills me when fighting mdks; they stack you up with dots and I'm so used to block cancelling I'm out of stam before I know what's going on.

Only do cancel animations for buffs before fights, most of the time i'm just jabbing when on combat so no animation cancel needed there the ghost drain however is what's draining me.

Waffennacht · August 2016

Has anyone noticed using like a stam cost ability and both stam and magicka go down?

Perwulf · September 2016

Update: Was testing builds & DPS testing in the rift [PVE] ghost drains there as well though i'm still not sure what's causing it.

Target: Mamoth
Skills used/rotation:

Momentum (animation cancel/bash) >Stampede >Carve (cancel animation/bash) >Weapon Swap >Biting Jabs >Steel Tornado (cancel animation/light attack)

Target killed, combat ended and my stamina isn't regenerating enough so i checked the numbers -1550 then +1550 keeps going on for like 7 sec

Wasn't able to capture the earlier footage but was able to capture a new one after a few tries. It so happens randomly, the duration is also random sometimes being longer or shorter but as you can see, no debuffs, poisons & etc. on my bar located above stamina bar, magicka bar displays my current buffs.

hrothbern · September 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

I use AUI too and I have noticed a similar phenomenon with my magicka on my pvp magplar. It typically happens (or really, noticed) when I'm at 50% or lower, or otherwise trying to regen to full. My magicka bar will increase and then decrease back to whatever value it was and then increase again. This will happen a various number of times at intervals as I regen to full (regen in this case I mean anything that restores magicka, so passive magicka regeneration, restoration heavy attack, and channeled focus). Perhaps this is an AUI issue, but I have also experienced fluctuations in my HP bar when I heal. Often I pop a BoL at, say, 40% and my health bar jumps to full, but then quickly drops to 70%. This is actually the correct health value the heal should provide but the false impression that I am at full health for even half a second can be very dangerous. It's almost as if it is adjusting my health before battlespirit, then remembers I'm in pvp.

This happened a lot to me a year ago when using Blur (the NB passive dodge ability).
It was so bad at that time that I stopped using Blur.
After one of the patches it was working allright again.