Is Gossamer broken?

MrTarkanian48 · August 2016

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

Cinbri · August 2016

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

Yes, it look like Elude(unmorphed Shuffle). Unlike SPC it doesnt proc on full HP and proc rate is much lower, so it may proc only in battle if your allies damaged with several HoTs on them(that mostly not happen coz tank in group).
Hope you wasn't excited about gossamer coz forum claims it is OP. Forum claims sometimes(mostly?) have nothing common with game.

MrTarkanian48 · August 2016

@Cinbri Yeah, its working. You're right that it doesn't proc on full health, which was the issue since I was running easier dungeons people werent getting low on health. Got in a veteran dungeon, and had it proc more often. I just happened to get the right 5pc, which made it convenient. I'll probably keep it around until I get Worm or Aether.

Vaoh · August 2016

It's not worth it atm. Chances are it will get buffed, but you are better off using other 5-piece sets to compliment Spell Power Cure.

CasNation · August 2016

I find it reasonably useful in trials where ther is a lot more healing going on and damage is less avoidable. I would imagine it would also be useful in a zerg in pvp with transmutation. Hoping it gets buffed a bit. Even if they just changed it to work like SPC, that would be great.

MrTarkanian48 · August 2016

CasNation wrote: »

I find it reasonably useful in trials where ther is a lot more healing going on and damage is less avoidable. I would imagine it would also be useful in a zerg in pvp with transmutation. Hoping it gets buffed a bit. Even if they just changed it to work like SPC, that would be great.

Agreed. I also healed for a 4-man PUG that had some low CP/low DPS players where it didn't necessarily make my job easy. It seems to proc more often when the S hits the F and people are low health and getting the full benefit of rapid regen/Ritual ticks. I still will probably opt for Aether when I complete the set, but will probably stick with it until then.

It would be nice if they either increased the proc rate or change it so that it can proc at full health like SPC.

Silver_Strider · August 2016

PvP healer set only.
Near useless in PvE.

Walties99 · August 2016

Lol yeah I guess it's useless until sanctum Ophidia where it's literally proced on like 8 people for the entire time and you finish a vet hard mode with 17 vitality and dodge eclipse tears and poison ticks from the serpent when she goes into the middle. Realistically it also has max, max, and regen so when you pair it with SPC which has max, max, spell power and the bonus buff, you can definitely afford to use regen food. I have 59% crit, 2200 regen and 34k max as argonian. Also great for the warrior where dodging an attack saves the tank from like 20 different 15k hits and he can free up a skill slot. Also good for the Mage where you pretty much have to have a main tank healer and raid healer so you can pair it with twilight remedy and throw tank a shard to get the 30k heal then a couple healing springs and he dodges a ton of axe attacks.

hedna123b14_ESO · August 2016

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

SienneYviete · August 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

It's difficult to see in combat but it most definitely has a good uptime and is well worthy of a farm for raid healers.

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2016

SienneYviete wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

It's difficult to see in combat but it most definitely has a good uptime and is well worthy of a farm for raid healers.

I guess I have to check it again with combat metrics. Maybe at MoL HM, I'm sure I will take damage often enough there^^

hedna123b14_ESO · August 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

Yup...it always procs, but the target has to be missing health

Kammakazi · August 2016

It's a cool set but very inaccurate because it says "when healing allies...".

In reality, it only works if those allies are not at 100% HP. Which sucks because healers typically spam Grand Healing on top of Cleansing Ritual, and the DDs are more than likely at 100% HP the entire time.

So please ZoS, make it work like how it's supposed to work, and that's when you heal allies regardless if they are 100% or less than 100% HP or you can just re-write the description and say "when healing injured allies..."

CasNation · August 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

Yup...it always procs, but the target has to be missing health

Is that a bug then? Because the text for gossamer says the proc chance is 10%. Or are we talking about a different set and I missed it?

hedna123b14_ESO · August 2016

CasNation wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

Yup...it always procs, but the target has to be missing health

Is that a bug then? Because the text for gossamer says the proc chance is 10%. Or are we talking about a different set and I missed it?

Same set, but in a trial between CP, Springs and Mutagen it's up often. The thing is it doesn't proc a lot if it's not a combat heavy phase, but then again you don't need it to proc when all is well, you need it for the oh *** moments. Another thing is there really isn't a better set a healer should wear. As it stands in trials one healer will always wear worm/SPC, while the other will wear SPC paired with either Gossamer, Aether or Twilight remedy.
While it is up to the raid leader to choose what he wants the healer to wear, imho Gossamer is the only viable choice.

Aether is much better on DPS, since they can debuff all targets inclouding adds without sacrificing damage.

Twilight imho is not ideal to wear for several reasons. Firstly all the stam users will already have minor force from trap, so it's a useless passive for them. Some magicka users also use trap or guard, and while they can replace those skills with synergy from this set to open up a skills slot it is not efficient. The buff is only present for 10 seconds and synergizing every 10 seconds is going to hurt their DPS. Most importantly though it is bad because ithe encourages dps to synergize. While DPS synergizing shards or orbs on trash is fine, on bosses it should be prioritized to the tank, since he will be wearing 5 alkosh and debuffing the mobs.

Keeping all this in mind imho Gossamer becomes the only logical choice to wear for a second healer.

MrTarkanian48 · August 2016

CasNation wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

Yup...it always procs, but the target has to be missing health

Is that a bug then? Because the text for gossamer says the proc chance is 10%. Or are we talking about a different set and I missed it?

I don't think that @hedna123b14_ESO literally means that it has 100% uptime. But as a healer running multiple hots (Rapid Regen especially, Extended Ritual etc.), on top of other heals, you have so many heals going out. It procs very often, even with the 10% rate, just due to the high number of proc opportunities.

I have used the set more since I made the original post. It definitely works and is not broken.

Running SPC, you get used to seeing the proc on full health allies. Currently this set only procs if the target being healed is not at full health. The first few dungeons I took it through first were easy content, and our groups health rarely dipped. After using it in more difficult vet dungeons, you definitely notice it proc more often.

After using it I do not agree with other people's assessment that this is a PVP only set. When you are steam rolling through easier content you will not notice much of a benefit. But when the group is strained, and health pools are dropping, it has more of a valuable impact on the group.

Edit: Started response and finished after @hedna123b14_ESO had already responded. I agree with his response.

Autolycus · August 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

Unlike SPC it doesnt proc on full HP and proc rate is much lower, so it may proc only in battle if your allies damaged with several HoTs on them(that mostly not happen coz tank in group).
Hope you wasn't excited about gossamer coz forum claims it is OP. Forum claims sometimes(mostly?) have nothing common with game.

This is unnecessarily negative and inaccurate.

Gossamer has proven its usefulness in both pve and pvp settings, from personal experience and that of my guild. There has been a noticeable bump to group survivability, particularly in hectic trash pulls in trial settings. The biggest drawback to Gossamer is its limited usefulness on boss fights with no adds. Many would suggest that the proc rate is too low, to which I suggest it's perhaps a matter of subjective nature.

There are alternatives to use that could be better in slot for you, but it depends on what the rest of your group is running too, particularly the other healer (in a trial setting). Perhaps the best option in place of Gossamer is Infallible Aether, but this set is rapidly becoming one of the more desirable sets for magicka dps too (particularly for sorcs and DKs). It only takes one person to maintain the Vulnerability debuff, so if one of your dps or the other healer is running it, you don't really need to. In this case, my honest opinion is that Gossamer is your best option.

CasNation · August 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

CasNation wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Just completed this set with Spell Power Cure. Was pretty excited about but have run three dungeons with the 5pc on and have not seen it proc. Is the proc visual cue the same as shuffle? Or does it look different?

It's a must in Vet trials. 100% proc rate, but only on targets with less than 100% health. Have one healer run worm/spc and the other Gossamer/SPC....GG

Are you sure about the 100%? I tried it once on AA HM, but it didn't seem to proc very often.

Yup...it always procs, but the target has to be missing health

Is that a bug then? Because the text for gossamer says the proc chance is 10%. Or are we talking about a different set and I missed it?

Same set, but in a trial between CP, Springs and Mutagen it's up often. The thing is it doesn't proc a lot if it's not a combat heavy phase, but then again you don't need it to proc when all is well, you need it for the oh *** moments. Another thing is there really isn't a better set a healer should wear. As it stands in trials one healer will always wear worm/SPC, while the other will wear SPC paired with either Gossamer, Aether or Twilight remedy.
While it is up to the raid leader to choose what he wants the healer to wear, imho Gossamer is the only viable choice.

Aether is much better on DPS, since they can debuff all targets inclouding adds without sacrificing damage.

Twilight imho is not ideal to wear for several reasons. Firstly all the stam users will already have minor force from trap, so it's a useless passive for them. Some magicka users also use trap or guard, and while they can replace those skills with synergy from this set to open up a skills slot it is not efficient. The buff is only present for 10 seconds and synergizing every 10 seconds is going to hurt their DPS. Most importantly though it is bad because ithe encourages dps to synergize. While DPS synergizing shards or orbs on trash is fine, on bosses it should be prioritized to the tank, since he will be wearing 5 alkosh and debuffing the mobs.

Keeping all this in mind imho Gossamer becomes the only logical choice to wear for a second healer.

Okay I think I misinterpreted what you were saying. I thought what you were saying is that it was exhibiting a 100% proc rate, not a 100% uptime. The later I haven't personally experienced with the set, but can certainly believe over the 100% proc rate.

I personally really like the set, as it reduces healer stress in trash pulls and heavy damage boss phases (serpent poison etc.).