Alchemy regents are getting out of control, need hirelings ASAP

Lucius_Aelius · August 2016

I wouldn't mind an Alchemy hireling but don't see what good it would do for prices, the Hirelings just don't give enough materials often enough to make a difference. And unlike with other crafting professions there aren't any super-rare items to obtain through them to help justify it, frankly without giving an extra large helping of Reagents it just wouldn't be worth the skill points.

Bryanonymous · August 2016

MM only shows what things sold for previously. Using it to dictate what something should be sold for is ridiculous. The price is determined by demand. Example: you would not be going to Rawl if your guilds had those mats for the prices you are seeing. They don't have them because they all sold. And hirelings would barely scratch the demand. Regents sell so fast, you should farm them yourself or pay the price that everyone else needs to pay to avoid the time. This is a perfect economic balance. Probably them best way for players to earn gold. We don't need anything to change just because you are too lazy to earn your plants.

Lysette · August 2016

The market regulates itself in this case. If the price of columbine goes a lot higher, more people will go out picking flowers, because it is more attractive to do that in this case. There is plenty of columbine out there, one just has to pick it up instead to wait for it to appear in a shop - it costs time, certainly, but it solves the problem or at least eases the pain.

And on a side note - if the other activity does not earn the money you need for your potions, than it might not be worth it anyway. In this case making potions would result in more income than doing that other activity, which consumes the potions. In short, if you have a problem paying for those potions, you should probably change your strategy, because your current one earns you too less.

predareaper · August 2016

From the points people are bringing up this is a case of lazyness, lets say that we do get hirelings and that they would be roughly 4 herbs per mail twice a day if you invested all 8 (standard) characters into having alchemy at 50 that would be 64 herbs a day just from checking the characters and most of them wouldnt even be worth anything or be used in the sought after potions.
This is a case similar to when people requested that nirncrux should be obtained in all zones, people didnt want to go to craglorn where they couldnt get max lv mats just for the crux, and I greatly declined, having something valuable in one area rewards those who take their time to farm it, but it does not quite create a monopoly since you arent restricted from entering.
Now adressing the issue with raids, if you consume that amount of potions on a daily basis and you cant make enought to sustain the cost you should consider laying it off for some time, why would the people that take time of their playtime to harvest these mats be less rewarded, their time is worth as much as yours. Its like wanting to go to the movies everyday and asking for free tickets.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Why don't you manipulate these prices in opposite direction? Just join few of those biggest trading guilds, and keep selling Columbines for 1 single gold, you can do it with your trusted friend to avoid loosing too much. After many transactions you should see the price decreases in MM average. Be a good guy and help the market voluntarily. Actually imho anyone can manipulate prices for MM this way and we can either accept that or join the manipulators .

I'm really trying to keep it polite here, ....are you serious? lol Use the brain for half a second and think what you are saying. /facepalm

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

If I run around Hollow City for an hour in the early hours of the morning I can amass about 100 of each type of herb. With alchemy passive that's 400 pots, from an hours farming.

100 wormwoods and 100 water hyraince and a few columbines lol. Good luck making tripots and inmmovable pots with that.

This tells me you've never actually tried to farm in hollow city. It's popular so the nodes don't stay fresh for long, but you can get all alchemy flowers from hollow city if you know where the nodes are and have the place to yourself (eg 4am). So I can amass 100 mountain flower, 100 bugloss and 100 columbine in an hour with the cp passive that grants you extra when collecting nodes, *assuming I have the place to myself*.

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SirAndy · August 2016

I sell tons of stacks of mats (including alchemy) for cheap in our guild store.
Most of the buyers are "scouts" from the large trading guilds that are looking for a quick profit.

However, this allows me to move lots of mats quickly that would otherwise take a long time to sell ...

Sheezabeast · August 2016

alchemy mats are everywhere! I see so much columbine when I'm farming Hew's Bane!

AntMan100673 · August 2016

I would expect if you're doing trials enough to be using that volume of potions you'd be getting enough stuff to sell that would pay for the potions anyway. If not then obviously not the answer you're looking for but an answer is to not just do trials but occasionally go and collect plants to make your own potions or do something that will make you the gold to pay for ingredients/potions

Vangy · August 2016

uhm...

Hirelings would give something like;

x2 cornflower,
x5 stink horn
x3 bugloss
x10 (water of ur level)

Per toon, twice a day. So even if you did have 8 toons with alchemy maxed + log in twice a day religiously, that makes it about;

160 pieces of random flowers (could be useful or not) + 160 water. Its legit but I dont forsee an oversupply. And this is with 8 toons who log in twice a day. Most people can only afford to log in once per day.

FloppyTouch · August 2016

@FriedEggSandwich I agree with u I get 100+ of each flower each hour 2 hours I'm good for a couple days with tri pots

Gargath · August 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

Why don't you manipulate these prices in opposite direction? Just join few of those biggest trading guilds, and keep selling Columbines for 1 single gold, you can do it with your trusted friend to avoid loosing too much. After many transactions you should see the price decreases in MM average. Be a good guy and help the market voluntarily. Actually imho anyone can manipulate prices for MM this way and we can either accept that or join the manipulators .

I'm really trying to keep it polite here, ....are you serious? lol Use the brain for half a second and think what you are saying. /facepalm

Spare your facepalm. What really you don't understand? You can decrease the prices the same way like others increase them. In fact you don't need milions to buy up all stocks, you just need to "exchange" the herbs between accounts with your friend in some good trading guilds - in a moment you make a bid in store, your friend knows it and buys your stack of 200 pcs. for 200 gold, which automatically writes down to addon's memory and price average goes down. Not much complicated to understand how it works in opposite direction.

The moral side of doing this is a different story. I don't receommend any of such activities, in fact I hate when people do this because it damages the economy in time, my point was just to show it is actually possible.
And that some people already decrese prices in this way. Just look at the MM graphs and you see some items are sold per 1 gold. These cannot be accidents, that's scheduled actions for decreasing MM average and it works as intended.
So, use the brain and think how to gain not loose.

Ch4mpTW · August 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Need that wizards tower from oblivion that had your own garden in.

Oh wait...player housing..5k crowns...how about garden to grow your own food, reagents and even your own personal mine and slaughter house for all your leather and ore needs. ..see where this leads.

Bruh, do you know how wonderful that sounds? Especially to a "master crafter" like me? I'd mess around, and have my spot setup like I did in Skyrim. Back when the build-a-home DLC came along. I had my little gardens outside, and indoors my botanist area setup. It was wonderful! Damn, you're making me want that so bad in ESO. I'd shell out $250.00 easily if I could get that flowing.

Skcarkden · August 2016

Auction House/Trade Hub would solve the issue. Anyone and everyone can sell alchemy products, no need to waste time trying to find someone actually selling it, let alone at a rip off price

xRIVALENx · August 2016

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Pick you're own herbs- make your own.. do the whole opportunity cost thang and you discover why people who gather sell at the prices they do.

Thank you for this! I don't think people realize just how long it takes to gather stacks of ingredients along with solvents to make the potions they consume.

ManDraKE · August 2016

Gargath wrote: »

Spare your facepalm. What really you don't understand? You can decrease the prices the same way like others increase them. In fact you don't need milions to buy up all stocks, you just need to "exchange" the herbs between accounts with your friend in some good trading guilds

1 - Lowering price markets like that will get you kicked from most big trading guilds
2 - I would loss millons of gold (that i don't have) before i could even start to move the average price of something like regents that have thousands of unit sales per day
3 - Your suggestion will only help the people manipulating the market, they will get ever higher stocks of those mats and sell them back overpriced.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Auction House/Trade Hub would solve the issue. Anyone and everyone can sell alchemy products, no need to waste time trying to find someone actually selling it, let alone at a rip off price

that would be even more easy to manipulate.

Qbiken · August 2016

Well, time to start farming nodes before all the crybabies forces zos to nerf everything that counts as farming.....

nine9six · August 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Need that wizards tower from oblivion that had your own garden in.

Oh wait...player housing..5k crowns...how about garden to grow your own food, reagents and even your own personal mine and slaughter house for all your leather and ore needs. ..see where this leads.

I would buy the *** out of that.

Gargath · August 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

1 - Lowering price markets like that will get you kicked from most big trading guilds
2 - I would loss millons of gold (that i don't have) before i could even start to move the average price of something like regents that have thousands of unit sales per day
3 - Your suggestion will only help the people manipulating the market, they will get ever higher stocks of those mats and sell them back overpriced

1. Not really - if you are clever, and you already claimed that you know even better than me how to trade

. A tip free of charge - there is such thing as mistake on placing bid, which can't be reversed but already served it's purpose.
I never did it and never will, this is against my rules, and just hope that nobody will copy this in real trade. But it's not some hidden secret known by initiates only.
2. I disagree, it's more easy than you think to change the prices. In this thread of MM tutorial is such picture for Columbine from over a year - you can see single sales around 6g/pc. They may be accidental, but also may be on purpose, who knows. But they influence on MM average, just not that much, as when you'd sell 200 pcs. for 6g/each.
3. I only try to explain that I inderstand the basics of trading, since you claimed that I'm not even close to understand how the market works. I hope no one will try it at home. And I doubt anyone would like to dig his own grave by decreasing prices on items which he could sell with higher profit - that's just pure nonsense.
4. Your idea for alchemy hireligns would however decrease the prices even more, just by increasing supply of rare herbs, prices would drop significantly even without some artificial speculations.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

Try playing on XBox with no MM. Columbine is a steal at 700. It takes me 1000 gold to craft 4 of the potions I use.

Shadesofkin · August 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

Auction House/Trade Hub would solve the issue. Anyone and everyone can sell alchemy products, no need to waste time trying to find someone actually selling it, let alone at a rip off price

No, that would lead to even larger monopolies. The guild vendor system works well, though there needs to be an increase in the number of kiosks.

ManDraKE · August 2016

@Gargath no going to continue this discussion with you, at this point is pretty obvious how wrong you are. No point for me to keep trying to convince you.

crowfl56 · August 2016

my lord people can u whine about everything ?

So elite 12 yr old needs 200 potions to go play wow.

get off the GD game and play outside, u won't need even 1 potion

AlnilamE · August 2016

Do you do the alchemy writs on all your characters? That's a good source of mats right there.

Surak73 · August 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

And no, i can't farm enought regents to cover my own demand, no withouth spending considerable amount of time that would stop me from doing PvE/PvP.

Why on hell this shouldn't be true for anyone else?... Reagents don't run after me, I have to invest part of my time harvesting them if I want to use them. And - surprise... - this time is subtracted from my pve/pvp time as well.

So, bottom line is: if you want potions/reagents, buy them with your gold in stores or with your time in the wilderness; or, you can do pve/pvp without potions, it's not mandatory; or, you could also use the normal red/blue/green potions you find everywhere.

But if you want something more special, you have to pay for that doing the specific content; otherwise, you are acting exactly like the guys who want special maelstron weapons without having to complete VMA.

Taleof2Cities · August 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

And no, i can't farm enought regents to cover my own demand, no withouth spending considerable amount of time that would stop me from doing PvE/PvP.

@Surak73 summarized this pretty well above.

If you don't like the prices of alchemy reagents (which I disagree with by the way ... as there are some good deals out there), then the other option is to farm for yourself.

To somehow think end game PvP and PvE players should be (a) exempt from a price point, or (b) exempt from taking the time to farm for their own reagents is silly.

Some of the top guilds have their own crafter, @ManDraKE. Maybe look into a fellow guildie who is interested in crafting ... and is willing to sell or trade pots within the guild for other services in return.

Leandor · August 2016

This is a very logical result of the currently ongoing monopolization, and a very good indication of what will happen if they ever implement a global auction house.

You just need to check PC-EU server and look for that one tabbard. A conglomerate of trade guilds has formed and is growing daily. Every large trade spot has the majority of traders under the conglomerate's control, places like reaper's march and elden root are fully under their control.

This conglomerate controls the pricing their slaves put up, adjusting the market to their leaders whims.

Sadly, the majority of players comes here to complain instead of not submitting to them.

Ah well, now it pays off that I never leave ingredients be... gotta catch em all!

idk · August 2016

@ManDraKE

It's a matter of supply and demand. They were fairly cheap for a long time. Not that trial content challenge has increased so has the demand for good pots and the matts for making them.

Nothing need to be changed.

Nestor · August 2016

The market can not be cornered on a readily available, easily farmed resource that respawns. If the price is too much for your gold, then farm the reagents. Then the store prices don't matter. Once that happens, the prices drop because everyone is farming. No guild consortium can dictate the market price for a commodity, only the market can.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

Anyone on XBox NA I'll make you a deal. Send me the mats and tell me what you want. I'll send you back 3 potions for every 4 I make.

Gamertag: THEDKEXPERIENCE

I will seriously do this.

ManDraKE · August 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Some of the top guilds have their own crafter, @ManDraKE. Maybe look into a fellow guildie who is interested in crafting ... and is willing to sell or trade pots within the guild for other services in return.

i dont need a crafter lol, levling up alchemist takes like 5 minutes. Im talking about regent prices. Next time read the post....