God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

LeifErickson wrote: »

Why does it seem like every thread in the Alliance War section turns into a discussion about zergs and who won what campaign?

Cuz most of us are bored at work.

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

You rerolled to help balance. It was commendable. I've never seen you belittle Hektik like you have Daniel. I've never seen you call out specific Ep and Ad leaders as much as you do Daniel. And the man is gone. And you're still getting your jabs in when he isn't even around to defend himself. And you and your Ep buddies were never dedicated to DC. You had a passing affair and now it's over.

Spent about half of our total time in ESO on blue, so lol at that. After how nice everyone on AD was it's amazing to me we stayed as long as we did, what a difference. One faction welcomed us in and accepted our intent to get in wholeheartedly and help them win; the other faction was distrustful and resentful of Rerolls to the point that some guilds still wouldn't work with us a year after we rerolled simply because we rerolled. DC has always had a hard time retaining talent, I wonder why. Even the native blues who ended up making up more than half our guild were dismayed at the general toxicity pointed their way simply because they ran with us. Remember Alma and Daniel trying to convince Crown to push emp on DC because they didn't want AOE BBQ (of all people) to have emp? I do. Real true blue there

As for Hek and the like, we've gone back and forth plenty. Same with Rage and other guilds. But end of the day, the most obvious answer: we had huge beef with Daniel and Alma, so yeah, I don't think of them or speak of them fondly. I'm sure if we'd farmed them on a daily basis instead of listening to them spew in zone chat id feel more inclined to look on those days with something akin to fondness.

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

You rerolled to help balance. It was commendable. I've never seen you belittle Hektik like you have Daniel. I've never seen you call out specific Ep and Ad leaders as much as you do Daniel. And the man is gone. And you're still getting your jabs in when he isn't even around to defend himself. And you and your Ep buddies were never dedicated to DC. You had a passing affair and now it's over.

Spent about half of our total time in ESO on blue, so lol at that. After how nice everyone on AD was it's amazing to me we stayed as long as we did, what a difference. One faction welcomed us in and accepted our intent to get in wholeheartedly and help them win; the other faction was distrustful and resentful of Rerolls to the point that some guilds still wouldn't work with us a year after we rerolled simply because we rerolled. DC has always had a hard time retaining talent, I wonder why. Even the native blues who ended up making up more than half our guild were dismayed at the general toxicity pointed their way simply because they ran with us. Remember Alma and Daniel trying to convince Crown to push emp on DC because they didn't want AOE BBQ (of all people) to have emp? I do. Real true blue there

As for Hek and the like, we've gone back and forth plenty. Same with Rage and other guilds. But end of the day, the most obvious answer: we had huge beef with Daniel and Alma, so yeah, I don't think of them or speak of them fondly. I'm sure if we'd farmed them on a daily basis instead of listening to them spew in zone chat id feel more inclined to look on those days with something akin to fondness.

Like I care if AoE gets emp.

I think you love generalizing and painting all of DC with one broad brush. You have no business calling anyone spiteful. You lump an entire faction into one negative ball in your mind and blame them all for your personal drama with one woman. Kinda like you did with Harlocke. There are jerks and there are decent folks in all three factions. There are nasty cliquey guilds and welcoming and friendly ones in all three factions. I've had so many run ins with creepy EP guys but I certainly don't blame the entire faction! I don't even blame entire guilds.

If you say Jauriel, if you say.

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

You rerolled to help balance. It was commendable. I've never seen you belittle Hektik like you have Daniel. I've never seen you call out specific Ep and Ad leaders as much as you do Daniel. And the man is gone. And you're still getting your jabs in when he isn't even around to defend himself. And you and your Ep buddies were never dedicated to DC. You had a passing affair and now it's over.

Excuse me? We spent 11 months on DC (Jul 2015 - May 2016), that's actually longer than we ran anything resembling full raids on EP. Not to mention, by the end over half our roster was native DC players, so I don't get what the point of trying to bring up faction loyalty is?

dashima wrote: »

Kosmoko's legendary skills are only preceded by his legendary tells.

I thought no one could out-salt Kosmoko but I think we may have a competitor.

Thus I nominate Frogblast.

Does he explode yet?

I've always told him to spec into Soul Shatter.

See I remember things differently

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232316/when-ve-plays-red/p1

I remember VE deciding to go to their EP toons and Zerg the entire map in some sort of selfish pride then get in the forums and condescending tell the rest of DC how great they were and how much DC needed them and the rest of the faction sucked

That thread was made by VE GM that made ALOT of DC angry...many who had no part in the VE vs CN feud completely turned against you after that. You guys made your own bed...I tried on occasion to just tell folks to just forget it and ignore it...who cares what CN had to say...the best have nothing to prove to anyone

Had VE simply ignored CN and not done that it would have been water under the bridge.

At the end of the day the faction loyalty stuff is nonsense but why folks fan the flames or making each other mad is just beyond me, just block them and move on...I'll never understand it:

I have never had any issues with any guilds in the game I just play to have fun and will do whatever to help. Why can't we all just get along instead of pointing fingers...both sides were equal to blame just forget about it and move forward

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

See I remember things differently

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232316/when-ve-plays-red/p1

I remember VE deciding to go to their EP toons and Zerg the entire map in some sort of selfish pride then get in the forums and condescending tell the rest of DC how great they were and how much DC needed them and the rest of the faction sucked

That thread was made by VE GM that made ALOT of DC angry...many who had no part in the VE vs CN feud completely turned against you after that. You guys made your own bed...I tried on occasion to just tell folks to just forget it and ignore it...who cares what CN had to say...the best have nothing to prove to anyone

Had VE simply ignored CN and not done that it would have been water under the bridge.

At the end of the day the faction loyalty stuff is nonsense but why folks fan the flames or making each other mad is just beyond me, just block them and move on...I'll never understand it:

I have never had any issues with any guilds in the game I just play to have fun and will do whatever to help. Why can't we all just get along instead of pointing fingers...both sides were equal to blame just forget about it and move forward

Man that night was an ESO highlight ! And Daniel challenged us so hey. In addition, Bulb and I contacted many DC guild leads to tell them what was going on so they could avoid that server for one night.

Accusations of us "making our own bed" would be taken to heart if not for the fact that hostility was there beforehand. It didn't suddenly arrive post-CN getting smashed off the map.

So you encouraged DC to not assist a DC guild, thereby weakening DC further, so you could get your egos stroked for one night? Don't stop, I am thoroughly impressed now.

A more charitable read might include that we knew many would not like what we were doing, so we took the time to explain it and give them the heads up that there was going to be an absolute shitshow.

But sure, another guild lead challenging us both in zone and GM to GM was totally just us ego stroking, etc. Daniel just kinda let Alma drag him into a fight he couldn't win, and the result was our fondest memories of him. So it didn't go all bad eh ?

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

You rerolled to help balance. It was commendable. I've never seen you belittle Hektik like you have Daniel. I've never seen you call out specific Ep and Ad leaders as much as you do Daniel. And the man is gone. And you're still getting your jabs in when he isn't even around to defend himself. And you and your Ep buddies were never dedicated to DC. You had a passing affair and now it's over.

Excuse me? We spent 11 months on DC (Jul 2015 - May 2016), that's actually longer than we ran anything resembling full raids on EP. Not to mention, by the end over half our roster was native DC players, so I don't get what the point of trying to bring up faction loyalty is?

We are adults here, at least I hope so. So let's be honest. Ve EP didn't reroll DC out of some faction loyalty of love for the faction. You did it because TB resulted in a red buff server and you all had nobody to kill. You were starving for ap. And I can say there has always been accusations that you guys did it to swipe some of the best DC players and then you took them over to Ad where some have stayed. Idk if that was the intention, don't even know if it's important.. but lots of DC I know resent you guys for that.

We were just as harsh towards Nikolai as we were towards Daniel, he just didn't take it as a personal attack. And yes, our YEAR on DC was just to pick up some of the best DC to go to AD for ONE campaign. We never claimed to reroll for some kind of faction loyalty, if faction loyalty was a thing we would have never left EP. We wanted competitive campaigns and good fights and we reached a point where we were hitting every server on a nightly basis looking for fights, we realized competitive campaigns were not going to happen with Havoc/VE/Nexus on the same faction. To be honest, I find the whole idea of faction loyalty in a game to be really strange. We never made any claims that our reroll was something it wasn't, during one of her tirades about us in zone i told Lil Shity straight to her face that I was not at any point in time loyal to DC, I am loyal to Vehemence.

Gods, I hope we don't change the guild name at some point that's gonna suck for you.

God_flakes wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Stahp hating on Daniel, Steve. You're just peanut butter and jelly that he held onto emp for 9 months and farmed you when you tried revenge raiding on red.

Such dominate, very competition.

Well, DC has failed to win TF since he left.

As with Pact Militia of the last few months, I differentiate between overwhelming a campaign with numbers and anticompetitive play and "dominating the competition". That's just me tho! Some do not make such distinctions.

Kinda like what Havoc and EP did with TB? I've yet to see you call them out for ep's anticompetitive behavior on TB that went on for months on end.

You mean the entire reason VE rerolled to Blue in the first place? Because EP TB was glutted with guilds making for uncompetitive servers and generally unhappiness all around? Pls learn ESO history, @HoloYoitsu offers free night classes 3x a week.

To think I convinced Bulb to roll DC at last second instead of AD, in retrospect what was I thinkinggggggg

You rerolled to help balance. It was commendable. I've never seen you belittle Hektik like you have Daniel. I've never seen you call out specific Ep and Ad leaders as much as you do Daniel. And the man is gone. And you're still getting your jabs in when he isn't even around to defend himself. And you and your Ep buddies were never dedicated to DC. You had a passing affair and now it's over.

Excuse me? We spent 11 months on DC (Jul 2015 - May 2016), that's actually longer than we ran anything resembling full raids on EP. Not to mention, by the end over half our roster was native DC players, so I don't get what the point of trying to bring up faction loyalty is?

We are adults here, at least I hope so. So let's be honest. Ve EP didn't reroll DC out of some faction loyalty of love for the faction. You did it because TB resulted in a red buff server and you all had nobody to kill. You were starving for ap. And I can say there has always been accusations that you guys did it to swipe some of the best DC players and then you took them over to Ad where some have stayed. Idk if that was the intention, don't even know if it's important.. but lots of DC I know resent you guys for that.

Most definitely, we did not roll DC because we decided we loved DC, we rolled DC because we decided we loved the game and were getting tired of seeing the sea of red guilds dominating the map every night (while they kept saying that someone should reroll to help pop balance, but no one wanted to be the one to do it). If you want to call being put off by a lack of fun fights "starving for AP", I don't really care. I'm just confused why you involved the issue of 'faction loyalty' in this discussion to begin with?

As far as the idea of us nefariously "swiping DC players" goes.....

Only about half of our EP players even stuck with us through the reroll. That said, the people who joined us in DC joined us because they wanted to play with us. At the time of the reroll, there were a number of DC guilds that had become defunct like NM/Shortbus iirc, so we ended up w/ some ppl from those guilds asking to raid w/ us.