Auctionhouse

AntMan100673 · August 2016

snakester320 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Having guild trader, lets us build the eso economy. Yes its annoying and frustrating when you're looking for something. Remember when looking for something only visit these stops, reaper march, root, wayrest, mournhold and evermore. Usually from my experience these have best guild traders in the game. Top guilders are usually in the same place, the trader in the middle of no where usually r only selling XP potions for lowbies, u might find a few gems. People that complain about guild traders just dont understand.

What we need is guild trader topic, a site or app, so guildies can update where they in the world every week. Easy to find guild traders, where is WalMart or craiglist on Xbox for example.

think your a little miss informed there the so called top guild traders in areas are ususally 2-4 times higher cost than most places .. because of sheer volume of traffic and they know it take reapers march new guild moves in and there prices a low for like a week once they start to hang onto the spot there prices increase and keep doing so its market control ... make a central auction house then the prices will be crazy high at the start but they will lower as more ppl undercut others but it will stop market control and put EVERYONE on a even playing field!! i brought 2 rings from a guild trader in the middle of nowhere for a 3rd of the cost that what was poping up in these best areas.. fact is i had to hunt around you know what not a biggy but its still shows that the high volume areas such as reapers are the worse and guild traders try to control the market because of volume of that area one big AH or market board would stop that !! even seen 2 guild traders that are like the sister guilds etc try to control the area..

I don't know what platform and server you play on but traders in the main spots being 2-4 times more expensive than most places simply isn't true on xbox EU. As the other traders cost less there's the potential for prices on the other traders to be lower but for most items they're actually more expensive which means they get lower sales because they have lower footfall AND because their prices are too high. You can get good deals on the other traders more often than in the main trade cities however they're not that common. I regularly check 5/6 trade areas, I'll pick 2 of the main cities and the rest will be out of the way (either less popular cities with a few traders or single traders in the middle of nowhere), the vast majority of the time the out of the way traders are either overpriced, selling garbage or both. If I'm looking for something specific I'll check a main trade city as I know I'll usually find more than 1 for sale and I'll get an idea of price, its then my choice whether I pay that or spend time hunting around to get it cheaper

xilfxlegion · August 2016

snakester320 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Having guild trader, lets us build the eso economy. Yes its annoying and frustrating when you're looking for something. Remember when looking for something only visit these stops, reaper march, root, wayrest, mournhold and evermore. Usually from my experience these have best guild traders in the game. Top guilders are usually in the same place, the trader in the middle of no where usually r only selling XP potions for lowbies, u might find a few gems. People that complain about guild traders just dont understand.

What we need is guild trader topic, a site or app, so guildies can update where they in the world every week. Easy to find guild traders, where is WalMart or craiglist on Xbox for example.

think your a little miss informed there the so called top guild traders in areas are ususally 2-4 times higher cost than most places .. because of sheer volume of traffic and they know it take reapers march new guild moves in and there prices a low for like a week once they start to hang onto the spot there prices increase and keep doing so its market control ... make a central auction house then the prices will be crazy high at the start but they will lower as more ppl undercut others but it will stop market control and put EVERYONE on a even playing field!! i brought 2 rings from a guild trader in the middle of nowhere for a 3rd of the cost that what was poping up in these best areas.. fact is i had to hunt around you know what not a biggy but its still shows that the high volume areas such as reapers are the worse and guild traders try to control the market because of volume of that area one big AH or market board would stop that !! even seen 2 guild traders that are like the sister guilds etc try to control the area..

except for the part where the people with all of the gold would simply buy all of the cheap stuff and relist it at their inflated prices. auction houses are entirely too easy to manipulate. the current system works fine

Beardimus · August 2016

@wayfarerx have an awesome!! In fact have seven!!! I think from now on we cut and paste that on every new thread about it

OP, ur not being ganging up on its just the thread has come up a few times, often by people new to the game, blaming the mechanism they expect from other games to just be here.

You can do all you need to do in game currently, and without a lore breaking game wide ESOeBay it means prices vary and with effort you can find some awesome deals as a buyer. But it takes effort. People have manages there whole game around it, amd enjoy trading, you would strip that from so many people with a dull AH.

My suggestion is to head to the guild section of the forum. Join 4 of those in addition to your own, and then you can access 4 Stores from any bank in the game

and those guilds will have crafters and people who can help you with all sorts. also take time to learn the spots with cheaper traders, the remote places etc

AH is not wanted by those that know ESO amd have put some time into it as the market will be owned and manipulated by the guilds with billions saved.

wayfarerx · August 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

@wayfarerx have an awesome!! In fact have seven!!! I think from now on we cut and paste that on every new thread about it

Thanks! I am, I kid you not, working on adapting my post into a cut-and-paste AH thread response, a la ZOS customer service responses.

Gotta farm those forum stars somehow!

Zerok · August 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

AH is not wanted by those that know ESO amd have put some time into it as the market will be owned and manipulated by the guilds with billions saved.

Repeating a lie ad nauseam so that it becomes a truth. Good job.

bunnytrix · August 2016

[/quote]
If you can't argue without insulting people and saying their argument is bad and garbage and they should feel bad... you should learn to be polite and comfort your arguments with valid explanations. Can't help you with that.
Everything you're mentioning relates to laziness from people and ultimately their lack of will to trade actively. They don't want to trade, they want to get rid of their excess stuff... that's entirely different. [/quote]

[SNIP]

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.

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xilfxlegion · August 2016

bunnytrix wrote: »

If you can't argue without insulting people and saying their argument is bad and garbage and they should feel bad... you should learn to be polite and comfort your arguments with valid explanations. Can't help you with that.
Everything you're mentioning relates to laziness from people and ultimately their lack of will to trade actively. They don't want to trade, they want to get rid of their excess stuff... that's entirely different.

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[SNIP]

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.[/quote]

sorry. there is absolutely no need for a centralized auction house. also, i fail to see how the present trading system is garbage.

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ScardyFox · August 2016

bunnytrix wrote: »

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.

Its funny, you almost quoted me word for word from what I was saying on my discord with some friends while reading this. Only thing you missed out was my personal amusement on watching people try and justify not having a AH.

bunnytrix · August 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

bunnytrix wrote: »

If you can't argue without insulting people and saying their argument is bad and garbage and they should feel bad... you should learn to be polite and comfort your arguments with valid explanations. Can't help you with that.
Everything you're mentioning relates to laziness from people and ultimately their lack of will to trade actively. They don't want to trade, they want to get rid of their excess stuff... that's entirely different.

[SNIP]

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.[/quote]

sorry. there is absolutely no need for a centralized auction house. also, i fail to see how the present trading system is garbage.

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Bit of quoting trouble here..the 1st quoted paragraph above is not mine but another post that I tried and failed to quote properly.

In my opinion...having to travel the world for hours looking for something you want to buy from a trader is garbage. I would rather have that time playing the game and going to a central trader, putting what I am looking for into a search box, and then searching all of the traders for what I need. A few minutes instead of hours. Then I can continue playing instead of going zone to zone looking for something..../yawn.
Present system also makes it very hard for many people to actually take part buying and selling to other players.
But this argument has been going on for 3 years and it ain't never going to change now.

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xilfxlegion · August 2016

bunnytrix wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

bunnytrix wrote: »

If you can't argue without insulting people and saying their argument is bad and garbage and they should feel bad... you should learn to be polite and comfort your arguments with valid explanations. Can't help you with that.
Everything you're mentioning relates to laziness from people and ultimately their lack of will to trade actively. They don't want to trade, they want to get rid of their excess stuff... that's entirely different.

[SNIP]

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.

sorry. there is absolutely no need for a centralized auction house. also, i fail to see how the present trading system is garbage.

[/quote]

Bit of quoting trouble here..the 1st quoted paragraph above is not mine but another post that I tried and failed to quote properly.

In my opinion...having to travel the world for hours looking for something you want to buy from a trader is garbage. I would rather have that time playing the game and going to a central trader, putting what I am looking for into a search box, and then searching all of the traders for what I need. A few minutes instead of hours. Then I can continue playing instead of going zone to zone looking for something..../yawn.
Present system also makes it very hard for many people to actually take part buying and selling to other players.
But this argument has been going on for 3 years and it ain't never going to change now.

[Edited for Baiting][/quote]

i spend a lot of time going from trader to trader --- thats part of the fun for me.also, its an mmo --- traveling is required.

present system actually just made it easier for new players to buy and sell --- text chat--you can link the item right in the chat.

still no need for a economy breaking auction house.

Holycannoli · August 2016

The kiosk system is garbage. Personally if I don't find what I want in the main city I'm in or possibly Craglorn I stop looking. I'm not traveling waypoint to waypoint and using up my entire gaming session playing shopping simulator.

Zolron · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Current system works fine as it is.

,+1

Some have said the AH is what is used in successful games. SWG and EQ bith essentially used guild traders and both were good games with good economies much like we have here.

I'm fairly sure that in SWG you could at least search the entire list of traders. Then once you found out where the store was you actually still had to go to the physical location.
The system we have sucks for any new leveling characters. There really is no point in searching as your access to other guild traders is severely limited

idk · August 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

bunnytrix wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

bunnytrix wrote: »

If you can't argue without insulting people and saying their argument is bad and garbage and they should feel bad... you should learn to be polite and comfort your arguments with valid explanations. Can't help you with that.
Everything you're mentioning relates to laziness from people and ultimately their lack of will to trade actively. They don't want to trade, they want to get rid of their excess stuff... that's entirely different.

[SNIP]

Fully agree with OP the present system of trading is pure garbage and pretty much makes it impossible for much of the player base to trade normally. Worst system I have ever seen.
But yeah being unable to trade without problems is down to pure laziness, couldn't possibly be because of the worst, laziest, badly developed trading system ever devised in a game.

Centralized auction house is desperately needed but that for that to happen you would need competent coders and developers or it would be just like the group finder. Wont ever happen now unfortunately.

sorry. there is absolutely no need for a centralized auction house. also, i fail to see how the present trading system is garbage.

Bit of quoting trouble here..the 1st quoted paragraph above is not mine but another post that I tried and failed to quote properly.

In my opinion...having to travel the world for hours looking for something you want to buy from a trader is garbage. I would rather have that time playing the game and going to a central trader, putting what I am looking for into a search box, and then searching all of the traders for what I need. A few minutes instead of hours. Then I can continue playing instead of going zone to zone looking for something..../yawn.
Present system also makes it very hard for many people to actually take part buying and selling to other players.
But this argument has been going on for 3 years and it ain't never going to change now.

[Edited for Baiting][/quote]

i spend a lot of time going from trader to trader --- thats part of the fun for me.also, its an mmo --- traveling is required.

present system actually just made it easier for new players to buy and sell --- text chat--you can link the item right in the chat.

still no need for a economy breaking auction house.

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I agree that the current economy structure works well. I'm able to sell quite a bit each and every week and find what I want and need fairly easily.

I recall how prices would plummet in other games. Here prices end up more stable. Granted, I'd like to pay less for pots but then again I make more from selling the items I gather. In the end it works well.

However, I indeestsnd some do not like change and that this is different csn be frustrating for them.

ScardyFox · August 2016

Zolron wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Current system works fine as it is.

,+1

Some have said the AH is what is used in successful games. SWG and EQ bith essentially used guild traders and both were good games with good economies much like we have here.

I'm fairly sure that in SWG you could at least search the entire list of traders. Then once you found out where the store was you actually still had to go to the physical location.

The system we have sucks for any new leveling characters. There really is no point in searching as your access to other guild traders is severely limited

This is 100% correct - leaving out the fact that you could search all the traders on the planet, by going to the terminal, makes using SWGs system an erroneous comparison. I WISH at the very least it was like SGW.

Love dem red herrings!

biovitalb16_ESO · August 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Current system is fine, all they need to do is refine the search feature and it will be great.

Awesome Guild Store is your friend...

That's not exactly what I meant. What I meant was..

You search for "Ring of Agility"

Page 1 - Empty
Page 2 - Empty
Page 3 - Empty
Page 4 - Empty
Page 5 - Empty
Page 6 - 1 item
Page 7-18 - Empty
Page 19 - 1 item

That crap needs to go. It should be like EVERY OTHER MMO ON THE PLANET and just show you 1 page with 2 items on it.

doomlocke · August 2016

This sounds like a topic braught up several times and for a good reason one auction house to go to sell or buy is the best option I have played several mmorpg and that system is the best overall why Waist time traveling all over the world when you can go to one place and see every item for sale and make it competitive this system is making you spend a lot of time looking for one item I would rather spend playing not looking for an item

snakester320 · September 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Having guild trader, lets us build the eso economy. Yes its annoying and frustrating when you're looking for something. Remember when looking for something only visit these stops, reaper march, root, wayrest, mournhold and evermore. Usually from my experience these have best guild traders in the game. Top guilders are usually in the same place, the trader in the middle of no where usually r only selling XP potions for lowbies, u might find a few gems. People that complain about guild traders just dont understand.

What we need is guild trader topic, a site or app, so guildies can update where they in the world every week. Easy to find guild traders, where is WalMart or craiglist on Xbox for example.

think your a little miss informed there the so called top guild traders in areas are ususally 2-4 times higher cost than most places .. because of sheer volume of traffic and they know it take reapers march new guild moves in and there prices a low for like a week once they start to hang onto the spot there prices increase and keep doing so its market control ... make a central auction house then the prices will be crazy high at the start but they will lower as more ppl undercut others but it will stop market control and put EVERYONE on a even playing field!! i brought 2 rings from a guild trader in the middle of nowhere for a 3rd of the cost that what was poping up in these best areas.. fact is i had to hunt around you know what not a biggy but its still shows that the high volume areas such as reapers are the worse and guild traders try to control the market because of volume of that area one big AH or market board would stop that !! even seen 2 guild traders that are like the sister guilds etc try to control the area..

except for the part where the people with all of the gold would simply buy all of the cheap stuff and relist it at their inflated prices. auction houses are entirely too easy to manipulate. the current system works fine

For a time maybe but eventually with more ppl selling the lower the price will get .. take 10 items in there at 50k the big players buy them up and put them at 100k some one is always going to undercut them there will come a point where these big players will just undercut themselves how long can they sustain buying everything just to sell high they may have millons or even hundreds of millions but there comes a point where they will start to lose or make no profit thus ending that idea!! .. another thing is i want to make money so i need a guild with a trader i had one but we lost the trader after a week.. i would like to be ables to sell my junk everyday day in day out but having to bid on them is a stupid idea making the guilds with more money bidding and winning the traders while poorer guild get screwed.. serioulsy can you say theres enough guild traders for every guild on the ps4 server etc!! yes you can get good deals now and then for sure but its only catering to rich guilds that can keep affording to throw big gold at traders how many poorer guilds can selll there stuff .. it should be a market board/AH yes it will be crazy at first but once again it will put everyone on the same lvl and that scares rich trading guilds!! cause they will get a flood of items hitting the market undercutting them and they will start to lose profit!!

snakester320 · September 2016

AntMan100673 wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Having guild trader, lets us build the eso economy. Yes its annoying and frustrating when you're looking for something. Remember when looking for something only visit these stops, reaper march, root, wayrest, mournhold and evermore. Usually from my experience these have best guild traders in the game. Top guilders are usually in the same place, the trader in the middle of no where usually r only selling XP potions for lowbies, u might find a few gems. People that complain about guild traders just dont understand.

What we need is guild trader topic, a site or app, so guildies can update where they in the world every week. Easy to find guild traders, where is WalMart or craiglist on Xbox for example.

think your a little miss informed there the so called top guild traders in areas are ususally 2-4 times higher cost than most places .. because of sheer volume of traffic and they know it take reapers march new guild moves in and there prices a low for like a week once they start to hang onto the spot there prices increase and keep doing so its market control ... make a central auction house then the prices will be crazy high at the start but they will lower as more ppl undercut others but it will stop market control and put EVERYONE on a even playing field!! i brought 2 rings from a guild trader in the middle of nowhere for a 3rd of the cost that what was poping up in these best areas.. fact is i had to hunt around you know what not a biggy but its still shows that the high volume areas such as reapers are the worse and guild traders try to control the market because of volume of that area one big AH or market board would stop that !! even seen 2 guild traders that are like the sister guilds etc try to control the area..

I don't know what platform and server you play on but traders in the main spots being 2-4 times more expensive than most places simply isn't true on xbox EU. As the other traders cost less there's the potential for prices on the other traders to be lower but for most items they're actually more expensive which means they get lower sales because they have lower footfall AND because their prices are too high. You can get good deals on the other traders more often than in the main trade cities however they're not that common. I regularly check 5/6 trade areas, I'll pick 2 of the main cities and the rest will be out of the way (either less popular cities with a few traders or single traders in the middle of nowhere), the vast majority of the time the out of the way traders are either overpriced, selling garbage or both. If I'm looking for something specific I'll check a main trade city as I know I'll usually find more than 1 for sale and I'll get an idea of price, its then my choice whether I pay that or spend time hunting around to get it cheaper

ps4 n/a and i wont name the place or guild because i have no issue with what they do ( i dont agree with having the control now beacuse of the area but offer no ill will towards them) but when they first got the trader there stuff was cheap now 3 weeks later its the same price as the other traders around them if not more because they have the volume of players there and other guilds that have won traders in the area later on have followed suit.. yesterday i brought a dreug slayer jewlery set 2 rings and a necklace for 40k thats a really awesome buy and they were all remote one trader areas .. bit of a pain doing the leg work but yeah happy as can be.. take elden root and other 4-6 trader high volume areas 30-60k for 1 ring so 90% of the time there more expensive than that one off area that A. they dont know the current price OR B. they know that they dont get the volume and they still want to sell!!

Thetwano · September 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

wayfarerx · September 2016

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Zone chat FTW.

idk · September 2016

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Where is this true.

First, Zos clearly intended for us to be snow to join guilds easily. We can join 5.

Second, zone chat is always full of WTS & WTB. That is where the statement quoted is false.

Thetwano · September 2016

Nestor wrote: »

The main reason people want an Auction House is they do not want to spend the time looking for either Rare items or Bargains. Rare items should be rare, and should take time to find, whether your farming for them, or using your gold to buy them. Bargains, well, that's on the player. If you want to save some money, spend the time to look for the lowest price.

I think most of the calls for an Auction House would go away if ZOS would implement something like the Addon Awesome Guild Store does.

Far from the truth actually. We want a MARKET BOARD! NOT a AUCTION HIOUSE! There's a difference. Let's put an end to this notion that we want an Auction House.

Market Boards make the economy stable out, because all items are in one place, and items will constantly be put up for sale, which will cause undercutting, and prices dropping. This will balance out this over priced item economy that is currently going on. And NO, a rich guild wont be able to go in and buy everything up and sell for higher prices, never works that way. When someone tries to change the economy by buying up all the items and then reselling at higher prices, peeps end up spamming the market even more with that current item, because of the price increase, and then undercutting happens again, and prices normal out. This is how the Market Board actually works(if you don't think so, its because you probably don't play other MMOs that have a Market Board).

Thetwano · September 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Where is this true.

First, Zos clearly intended for us to be snow to join guilds easily. We can join 5.

Second, zone chat is always full of WTS & WTB. That is where the statement quoted is full.

They intended for us to join 5... That's if you get invited to a guild with a store, and if the store is in a great location.. all these variables make for a terrible system for selling items. #guildstoresarebroken, #getoutofthestoneageZoS

Thetwano · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Zone chat FTW.

yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken

thewolphub17_ESO · September 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

TL/DR : the number of spots in guild with a guild trader is limited and lower than the global player population, but it is significantly higher than the number of players actually willing to trade. As a result, nobody is excluded from trading. Another proof of this is how extremely easy it is to join a trading guild with an established trader.

On the flip side though, if there were an easier, more wide reaching way to trade, maybe more people would be willing to participate in trading. /shrug

L2Pissue · September 2016

the current system is already being manipulated

thewolphub17_ESO · September 2016

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

Why do so many players insist on calling a game-wide trader that all players can buy/sell at "auction house"? Auction means placing bids on items that are for sale. Highest bidder gets the item, everyone else do not. Plesae learn the proper meaning of words, thank you.

/rollseyes /facepalm /deepsigh

My guess? (And it's been years since I've played it, so take this with a grain of salt) World of Warcraft called their system an auction house, and you could directly buy products from a global market with a buy now option instead of just bidding.

wayfarerx · September 2016

Thetwano wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Zone chat FTW.

yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken

They have these nifty things called wayshrines... really they are all over the place. They let you move between zones all fast and stuff. Technology these days...

Thetwano · September 2016

You know how many of the player base could sell items if the Market Board was an option(based off of race/level/location/gold acquired?) 100%! Market Board for one, Market Board for ALL! #getoutofthestoneageZoS, #learntomakethewheel

Thetwano · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Thetwano wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Thetwano wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Auction house is bad, traders are good.

See previous threads on this subject for deeper argumentation.

If Traders are good, why do they exclude the majority of players from selling to the community!

I'm yet to have anyone counter the argument that as there is only a finite number of traders, thus only set quantity of players (approx 70k) can sell to the community. This game is a case of have's and have nots, so whilst a minority of this 70K players can make a lucrative living by selling, the majority of the community are frozen out of selling completely.

I don't expect you to reply, just like every other person who is doing ok with the current system also fail to reply. But to say Traders are Good is simply not the case, at best they were a sticky plaster over the complete mess at launch, where at best you had only 2.5k people to sell too.....

@Nestor maybe you could ask ZOS to explain this? I'm not asking for an auction house as I don't believe its possible with how they set up the game, but the guild traders are not inclusive, there have been many suggestions over time to improve the way they work so they are more inclusive, but it seems ZOS as always has buried its head or just doesn't simply read any posts.

the bit i put the bold on is just plain untrue..... anyone can offer for sale anything (that isn't bound). whether they find a buyer or not is another matter.

It's actually quite true! If you aren't a part of a guild, you cant sell on a store, and the only option then, is to vendor your items for pennies.

Zone chat FTW.

yes zone chat.. WTS! WTS! WTS!.. oh wait.. only peeps in this town can hear me? #broken

They have these nifty things called wayshrines... really they are all over the place. They let you move between zones all fast and stuff. Technology these days...

YES! I sooooooo want to travel to 8million different cities to spam WTS!!!! over and over! Thank you for this amazing idea! #wtf?