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These gamble boxes aren't that bad compared to the same concept in other MMOs
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I came from DCUO, that game had gamble boxes, you could buy a box, inside would be consumable items AND a cosmetic aura, that aura could be very common or very rare, everything for $15 (just an example quantity) but if you take out the aura, the consumable items were cheaper (like $5 for example) if you buy them individually at the in-game store, so you actually ended up paying a lot more for a chance to get a rare aura. Mot people would buy a lot of boxes to get the aura they wanted, but most of them never really got any rare aura, and if you get let's say 2 green auras that you already collected you have little options, you could sell them very cheap or just give them away.
Now with ESO, if i understood correctly, the boxes will contain consumables, at a low price (400 crowns), almost as if you get them individually at the store, and you will have a chance to get a rare cosmetic item, and if you already got that item you get gems that you can use to actually get the item you want.
I'm sorry guys, but that sounds good, better than most "random boxes" systems I've seen.
Edited by Milicent on August 26, 2016 3:11AM Now with ESO, if i understood correctly, the boxes will contain consumables, at a low price (400 crowns), almost as if you get them individually at the store, and you will have a chance to get a rare cosmetic item, and if you already got that item you get gems that you can use to actually get the item you want.
I'm sorry guys, but that sounds good, better than most "random boxes" systems I've seen.
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I'm from DCUO as well...and honestly, if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck....well, it's not likely to be a horse then is it?I came from DCUO, that game had gamble boxes, you could buy a box, inside would be consumable items AND a cosmetic aura, that aura could be very common or very rare, everything for $15 (just an example quantity) but if you take out the aura, the consumable items were cheaper (like $5 for example) if you buy them individually at the in-game store, so you actually ended up paying a lot more for a chance to get a rare aura. Mot people would buy a lot of boxes to get the aura they wanted, but most of them never really got any rare aura, and if you get let's say 2 green auras that you already collected you have little options, you could sell them very cheap or just give them away.
Now with ESO, if i understood correctly, the boxes will contain consumables, at a low price (400 crowns), almost as if you get them individually at the store, and you will have a chance to get a rare cosmetic item, and if you already got that item you get gems that you can use to actually get the item you want.
I'm sorry guys, but that sounds good, better than most "random boxes" systems I've seen.4 -
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✭✭✭✭Its gamble boxes. They havent said how many Crown Gems youll get from the mounts you get from the boxes that you already have. Theyre being pretty vague about that. And thats what matters the most because if its not a 1:1 exchange with the gems. Youll have to score multiple mounts you already own to get enough gems for the mount you dont have.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax6 -
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✭✭Perhaps I misread your post OP, but having better odds or items does not detract from the fact that this is a form of gambling. You are paying currency, and in return you have a chance of getting something good. It could also be phrased this way: by buying the lockbox, you are betting your money on the hopes that you will get something you like. Either it will pay off, or it won't. And when it doesn't, some people will be inclined to try again. How is that not a form of gambling?Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!5 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭How can you say 400 Crowns is Low Price if you don't know yet what's the drop rates are. It could be 99% Consumables drop, 1% Cosmetics drop (like in B&S). If that's the case then that's hella expensive 40,000 Crown priced Cosmetics :'(Edited by Wow on August 26, 2016 2:56AMI'm a Godot & GameMaker enthusiast from Java, Indonesia (the most populated island on earth).
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Milicent✭✭✭How can you say 400 Crowns is Low Price if you don't know yet what's the drop rates are. It could be 99% Consumables drop, 1% Cosmetics drop (like in B&S). If that's the case then that's hella expensive 40,000 Crown priced Cosmetics :'(
I believe you didn't got the idea, 400 is low price if you take in consideration the price of the consumables, we need to know the details to see if those 400 crowns are close to the real price of said consumables, if the price is close to 400 then we will be paying almost as if we were buying those consumables individually.————
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Milicent✭✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Perhaps I misread your post OP, but having better odds or items does not detract from the fact that this is a form of gambling. You are paying currency, and in return you have a chance of getting something good. It could also be phrased this way: by buying the lockbox, you are betting your money on the hopes that you will get something you like. Either it will pay off, or it won't. And when it doesn't, some people will be inclined to try again. How is that not a form of gambling?
It was my bad I guess, people is reading the title but they pay little attention to the whole post, but the general idea was that this version of "random boxes" is much better that the same concept in other games.————
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, the issue is that 90% of the consumables are off no worth and they will stop adding stuff to the crown store normally, instead opting to add themed stuff.1 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Perhaps I misread your post OP, but having better odds or items does not detract from the fact that this is a form of gambling. You are paying currency, and in return you have a chance of getting something good. It could also be phrased this way: by buying the lockbox, you are betting your money on the hopes that you will get something you like. Either it will pay off, or it won't. And when it doesn't, some people will be inclined to try again. How is that not a form of gambling?
It was my bad I guess, people is reading the title but they pay little attention to the whole post, but the general idea was that this version of "random boxes" is much better that the same concept in other games.
Yes I understood that from your post, but if you only meant that then the title should indeed be changed in my opinion, as the way it is now is rather erm... "Provocative" for the lack of a better word (that I can think of at least)
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Milicent✭✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Perhaps I misread your post OP, but having better odds or items does not detract from the fact that this is a form of gambling. You are paying currency, and in return you have a chance of getting something good. It could also be phrased this way: by buying the lockbox, you are betting your money on the hopes that you will get something you like. Either it will pay off, or it won't. And when it doesn't, some people will be inclined to try again. How is that not a form of gambling?
It was my bad I guess, people is reading the title but they pay little attention to the whole post, but the general idea was that this version of "random boxes" is much better that the same concept in other games.
Yes I understood that from your post, but if you only meant that then the title should indeed be changed in my opinion, as the way it is now is rather erm... "Provocative" for the lack of a better word (that I can think of at least)
yeah lol gonna do that
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✭✭✭✭✭It's still definitely gambling boxes. First of all, unless you're completely off your rocker none of the Crown Store Consumables are actually useful beyond maybe some XP scrolls if you're under CP cap, and even then you have in-game alternatives. With that in mind, all people are really going to be buying these for are the exclusive mounts, costumes, and pets. Since most players are going to want specific ones instead of all of them, and since they don't drop in every box, you are more likely to get nothing of value out of a box than something of value.
The crux of whether or not they're gambling boxes isn't on how much better or more complicated the gambling system is, it's based on whether or not your purchase carries, by design, a level of risk. These boxes more than meet that criteria.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭The items you want will require gems for purchase (not crowns) so you have to buy boxes no matter what, and if you haven't been spending much on the crown store you have little chance of getting those gems.
This is purely a cash grab ordered by the suits at the top. There is no benefit whatsoever to us the players.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree that they are not as bad as in other MMOs... Right now.
But many MMOs started with a similar concept. It's what can happen down the road that worries me.Edited by Abeille on August 26, 2016 3:32AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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✭You buy them for the consumables... Matt says so, it must be true. We don't have enough even though I'm sure we're finding more then we can use. I probably have more soul gems and food then I can ever use but I obviously need more. Unique cosmetics are thrown in just for fun not for gambling.
ZOS... Sinking lower and lower
Maybe we would spend more if you would actually put items on the store. There is plenty of stuff I want to buy for my Argonian that's been on the pts. Where are they? Don't say they are coming soon to a gambling box.Edited by JimT722 on August 26, 2016 3:47AM4 -
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✭Thing is, they aren't as bad as other mmo boxes turned INTO. Many didn't start off "too bad" either.5 -
snakester320✭✭✭✭How can you say 400 Crowns is Low Price if you don't know yet what's the drop rates are. It could be 99% Consumables drop, 1% Cosmetics drop (like in B&S). If that's the case then that's hella expensive 40,000 Crown priced Cosmetics :'(
I believe you didn't got the idea, 400 is low price if you take in consideration the price of the consumables, we need to know the details to see if those 400 crowns are close to the real price of said consumables, if the price is close to 400 then we will be paying almost as if we were buying those consumables individually.
It wont be!!! because this will make them more revenue than selling the mount in the store thats why this is happening!! unless they spit out the drop rate which there not going to i can assure everyone there will be more cost than just buying it out right otherwise why not just bring them back to the store!! ZOS becomes even more greedy !!! Just wait and see if this takes off because of idoits buying there crappy lockboxes ( see whats next to be put in boxes and to be gambled on )!!!Edited by snakester320 on August 26, 2016 9:40AM2 -
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✭Who the *** would want to buy freaking consumables.. They are the most useless *** in crownstore with retardedly stupid prices.. Ppl would want to gamble for a mount with 0.5-1% chance if not less.. And zos staff not going to reply because if any more "clarifying" would be made it could damage their casino business. You will not know how bad the drop rates are until you buy and NEVER before. Until you pay 400 crowns you will still know nothing.. Until you gamble for 40000 crowns you will start knowing.
Its a gambling business, you will not know until you start gambling, like in real life, you will not know the lottery numbers and you pay... So it is here.. There will be a player who gonna brag that he got that rare mount for 400 and there will be thousands who will get consumables after thousands of crowns spent on something they can get almost for free in-game..
"hope" is what you buy at a casino.. And soon in a crown store next to you.. Will you know that it is you or not? Thats why lottery is absolutely the most profitable business in my country0 -
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✭SWTOR has boxes for 25 quid "I appear at my lord's behest, or perhaps I was always here, and you merely lacked the ability to see me."
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Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭More than likely this is just the tip of the iceberg. Start off small and somewhat harmless (depending on where you stand with the boxes) until people come to accept it as the norm and then start adding in flashy flying mounts with speed buffs plus jacking up the price on the boxes.
Mehh... probably won't happen but it could if ZOS gets greedy!!
Ohh and if ZOS does end up putting in flashy mounts and pets with special buffs, you can be sure there will be people spending thousands just to get them! Myself not included as I don't plan on buying a single box.0 -
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✭✭✭How can you say 400 Crowns is Low Price if you don't know yet what's the drop rates are. It could be 99% Consumables drop, 1% Cosmetics drop (like in B&S). If that's the case then that's hella expensive 40,000 Crown priced Cosmetics :'(
I believe you didn't got the idea, 400 is low price if you take in consideration the price of the consumables, we need to know the details to see if those 400 crowns are close to the real price of said consumables, if the price is close to 400 then we will be paying almost as if we were buying those consumables individually.
My provisioner makes items that are the equal of, if not better than, the food/drink in the crown store. I get soulgems from bosses in delves. Ambrosia works great for experience boosts. You can respect skills and attributes for ingame gold. So why would I be interested in the consumables from the crown store?
I've seen the interview, and Matt seems to blithely assume that everyone is buying the consumables from the crown store, and would just jump at the chance to buy more, with the added chance of maybe possibly eventually getting a limited time mount or other limited time item thrown in. And an infinitesimal chance of getting something totally special and unique. Works great if that leopard senche is in the first box; not so great if it still isn't in the hundredth box. But HEY! you've gotten tons of food and drink and that counts, so ENJOY!
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✭✭✭✭✭If you listen carefully to what Matt Firor is emphasizing - you are buying a crate of consumables - this is what you buy. It has a tiny chance to get something else, but most likely not what you want, but some random item. But the chance to get this is small. And if you happen to not have this item already, it will be added to your collection - you will not get Crown Gems to exchange it for something you actually want.
And guess what - that item you might eventually win is of that kind, which you did not want in the first place - because otherwise you would have it already in your collection.
So what these boxes are selling you are - cosnumables - with a slight chance to get something, what you did not want in the first place.Edited by Lysette on August 26, 2016 1:12PM2 -
I came from DCUO, that game had gamble boxes, you could buy a box, inside would be consumable items AND a cosmetic aura, that aura could be very common or very rare, everything for $15 (just an example quantity) but if you take out the aura, the consumable items were cheaper (like $5 for example) if you buy them individually at the in-game store, so you actually ended up paying a lot more for a chance to get a rare aura. Mot people would buy a lot of boxes to get the aura they wanted, but most of them never really got any rare aura, and if you get let's say 2 green auras that you already collected you have little options, you could sell them very cheap or just give them away.
Now with ESO, if i understood correctly, the boxes will contain consumables, at a low price (400 crowns), almost as if you get them individually at the store, and you will have a chance to get a rare cosmetic item, and if you already got that item you get gems that you can use to actually get the item you want.
I'm sorry guys, but that sounds good, better than most "random boxes" systems I've seen.
DCUO is not enough experience. DC is also a much stronger IP than Elder Scrolls.
400 Gems is not "cheap". Smallest package is 750 Crowns for $8USD. Cant even open 2 boxes. The win chances will be very, very small or the whole lockbox idea will be self-defeating in purpose.
The Gem/Store system is nothing new. Star Trek Online has already been doing this for years. They are called Lobi Crystals and you get a random amount from every lockbox and when you have accumulated enough you can outright buy the rare items you were looking for in the Lobi Crystal Store.
Players don't buy boxes for the item, they buy them for the Lobi Crystals as that currency is the strongest in the game -the same will go for Crown Gems as they will carry the most purchase power for the consumer. If you happen to get a rare item as well? Awesome, win/win right? And that's why they are accepted in the community as 'valid'.
On average, it takes about $60-150USD worth of lockboxes to actually get the rare items. You HAVE to buy in bulk or you won't see any return on investment. Expect to pay the same or more in TESO. And when players do, they will demand more from the items -like stats on them. Its just the fallout of the whole system.
Trading/selling of these items will eventually be allowed. Trust me on that one. This is only the beginning.2 -
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✭I agree that they are not as bad as in other MMOs... Right now.
But many MMOs started with a similar concept. It's what can happen down the road that worries me.
Soooo much this
Almost every game today where devtime is almost totally "Box-centric" started out as "happy-fluffy-cosmetic only,whats the harm-boxes"....
This will not end well....and you can quote me on that in a years time
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✭Hey at least I am not seeing 45 posts about lag. Thanks for fixing that game experience for me, now you come out with OPTIONAL boxes for VANITY pieces and the whole world freaks out.....
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