Are the zergers salty you can't use the excuse "this game is made for group play" after update 12?

templesus · August 2016

With the addition of dueling, when people call for class balance and what not the zerglings who have no idea what balance is because they don't even run heals on their bar won't be able to say PvP is intended for "group play". I for one am very excited about this so when balance issues are brought up we have a legitimate retort to these trolls!

Robbmrp · August 2016

Anyone who doesn't slot some form of a heal in PVP isn't going to last long enough to really matter whether they are in a group or not. Those players don't belong in PVP, they belong in PVE land where they can keep spamming LF HEALER.....

Sallington · August 2016

templesus wrote: »

With the addition of dueling, when people call for class balance and what not the zerglings who have no idea what balance is because they don't even run heals on their bar won't be able to say PvP is intended for "group play". I for one am very excited about this so when balance issues are brought up we have a legitimate retort to these trolls!

TIL zergs don't have Templars spamming Breath of Life constantly.

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

Takes 2 and a half years for duels to be added, RvR game is suddenly no longer about group play! You are smart kid, keep it up.

Asardes · August 2016

I've repaired keep walls and resource towers with kits bought for gold in order to rank up to the point I could unlock vigor because Dragon Blood is really weak and I was just a punching bag with that skill slotted. The campaign where I play has very low population and 1 vs.1 or maximum 8 vs.8 is what you actually get to play. Now I can't even imagine playing without vigor, even in some PvE settings. Ingenous shields + Rally + Resolving Vigor = win

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2016

Sallington wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

With the addition of dueling, when people call for class balance and what not the zerglings who have no idea what balance is because they don't even run heals on their bar won't be able to say PvP is intended for "group play". I for one am very excited about this so when balance issues are brought up we have a legitimate retort to these trolls!

TIL zergs don't have Templars spamming Breath of Life constantly.

Hey, I'm a Templar and I don't use Breath of Life, I spam Vigor constantly

Honestly I don't think dueling is going to affect the zergs in Cyrodiil much if at all. You'll still need groups of people to take keeps, outposts, resources, and that damn bridge north of Alissa. Dueling will just be a nice add on for PvP, and bragging rights.

Daveheart · August 2016

Oh yeah, ZOS should totally make all their balance decision based upon balancing duels.

cjthibs · August 2016

Daveheart wrote: »

Oh yeah, ZOS should totally make all their balance decision based upon balancing duels.

Nah, bro.
Whoever cries the loudest should have their build balanced to 1v75.

Riga_Mortis · August 2016

Does the OP think this game will be solely balanced around duelling, or am I missing something here lol.

Asardes · August 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Oh yeah, ZOS should totally make all their balance decision based upon balancing duels.

Nah, bro.
Whoever cries the loudest should have their build balanced to 1v75.

Just be emperor, wear gold full divines Vicious Death and spam meteors

cjthibs · August 2016

Asardes wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Oh yeah, ZOS should totally make all their balance decision based upon balancing duels.

Nah, bro.
Whoever cries the loudest should have their build balanced to 1v75.

Just be emperor, wear gold full divines Vicious Death and spam meteors

Yeah, but according to the forums, I'll still be mince-meat if I'm a Magicka DK.

Asardes · August 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Oh yeah, ZOS should totally make all their balance decision based upon balancing duels.

Nah, bro.
Whoever cries the loudest should have their build balanced to 1v75.

Just be emperor, wear gold full divines Vicious Death and spam meteors

Yeah, but according to the forums, I'll still be mince-meat if I'm a Magicka DK.

Well, then you should also cast engulfing flames then structured entropy before the shooting star

templesus · August 2016

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Does the OP think this game will be solely balanced around duelling, or am I missing something here lol.

No, I'm ascerting PvP in the game is now longer made for group play with the addition of dueling outside of cyrodiil.

yodased · August 2016

dueling != pvp. They added dueling because people kept requesting it. In fact for a long time they specifically said they didn't want dueling because AvAvA is the pvp, not 1v1.

also, you realize that it will have 0 bearing on this game in any way right? It gives you nothing, you can turn it off and have auto-deny on, so where again is there any balancing ideas surrounding this?

kevlarto_ESO · August 2016

Dueling is outside cyrodiil as far as we there will be no battle spirit i will be curious to see how that works when people strat getting hit with those 40k two hander damage.

Cyrodiil will still be a group based play area might get killed by one player might get killed by fifty that's how it works.

Recremen · August 2016

I haven't seen this much bait since I went to that one fishing store in Maine.

Recremen · August 2016

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Dueling is outside cyrodiil as far as we there will be no battle spirit i will be curious to see how that works when people strat getting hit with those 40k two hander damage.

Cyrodiil will still be a group based play area might get killed by one player might get killed by fifty that's how it works.

They confirmed there will be Battle Spirit in dueling, actually.

Asata · August 2016

You think PvP is going to change because of......... dueling?

Seriously..?

Khaos_Bane · August 2016

Class balancing based on dueling sounds awesome !

templesus · August 2016

Apparently people can't read, I strictly said people can't use the excuse this game is made for group play when certain things come to light never anything about balancing that was merely an example

KingYogi415 · August 2016

Things will never be perfectly balanced 1v1 and they should stay that way.

Every strong spec has it counter!

balance will be made around 3v3 and 5v5 battlegrounds.

Cheers!

bertenburnyb16_ESO · August 2016

Such Epeen
Much macho
Wow

dodgehopper_ESO · August 2016

The only thing I don't like in PvP right now is the incessant whining and ego that goes on in zone chat. Everyone is such a know-it-all, even when they are completely wrong. The hostility is huge, and people don't just go out and fight to win and have fun. Its all about stupid AP grind for a lot of people. I like playing it solo or small groups a lot of times, but the one thing nice about having a large guild that is working well together is that it avoids a lot of this BS.

TequilaFire · August 2016

OP smokes tainted stuff. lol

dennissomb16_ESO · August 2016

Dueling will have 0 effect on game play in in Cyrodil. It will not even have any effect on "balance" going forward to be honest. What it will effect is popular towns where people gather to bank, socialize, etc. will have to put up with duels, constant challenges (I really hope there will be an "ignore duel requests" setting) and some of the wonderful poisonous chatter that infests PvP

Brittany_Joy · August 2016

yodased wrote: »

dueling != pvp. They added dueling because people kept requesting it. In fact for a long time they specifically said they didn't want dueling because AvAvA is the pvp, not 1v1.

also, you realize that it will have 0 bearing on this game in any way right? It gives you nothing, you can turn it off and have auto-deny on, so where again is there any balancing ideas surrounding this?

Basically you can thoroughly test abilities against a player. This will increase minmaxers since they will get practical evidence of their builds instead of estimates and random variables.

dsalter · August 2016

i'm glad duelling in PvE is coming around with One Tamriel, now we might see less time wasters in Cyrodiil duelling at resources and more people helping the cause while the duellers get uninterrupted duels. everyone wins except zergs

Daveheart · August 2016

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Dueling will have 0 effect on game play in in Cyrodil. It will not even have any effect on "balance" going forward to be honest. What it will effect is popular towns where people gather to bank, socialize, etc. will have to put up with duels, constant challenges (I really hope there will be an "ignore duel requests" setting) and some of the wonderful poisonous chatter that infests PvP

Already confirmed.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · August 2016

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Dueling will have 0 effect on game play in in Cyrodil. It will not even have any effect on "balance" going forward to be honest. What it will effect is popular towns where people gather to bank, socialize, etc. will have to put up with duels, constant challenges (I really hope there will be an "ignore duel requests" setting) and some of the wonderful poisonous chatter that infests PvP

What about all those players who only go to Cyrodiil because it's the only place they can duel other players? oh yes it's not going to change gameplay in Cyrodiil, not at all...

Silver_Strider · August 2016

All I hope for is that duelers get instanced into an arena instead of spells/ultimates flying within towns.

Game lags/crashes enough as is without everyone and their mothers getting into a duel frenzy in Mournhold

Tandor · August 2016

dsalter wrote: »

i'm glad duelling in PvE is coming around with One Tamriel, now we might see less time wasters in Cyrodiil duelling at resources and more people helping the cause while the duellers get uninterrupted duels. everyone wins except zergs

and PvEers!

I'd settle for all dueling posts being restricted to the PvP forums.