Why are Magic Nightblades so Irrelevant?

disintegr8 · August 2016

I think that in PVE they look very weak compared to a stamina NB, especially because a lot of PVE content simply consists of mob fights where there are really no opportunities to make use of tactics, and the stamina NB is better suited to this.

In PVP where you can make a fight more of a one on one or one on two, I think it is different ball game. I have just got my magicka NB up to scratch in PVE after switching him over from stamina (he was my first and as a Breton he is better suited to a magicka build) and am now working him up to PVP standards.

I also think you have a lot more options in a magicka nightblade build - but that may just be me.

Avenias · August 2016

You do know that mag nightblades have insane utilities at their disposal right? The fear is op as ***

Hashtag_ · August 2016

Not everyone needs to be melee stam DPS, there is still a place for magblades and sorcs as far as DPS goes.

Afafrenferr · August 2016

I've mained a magblade for a long time now. Completed vMA with it, completed all vet dungeons, some hard mode trials, pvp'd fairly successfully. I've even dps'd vWGT, then immediately turned around and healed it with him, just swapped two rings and food. Magblades are certainly not irrelevant, but if you think they are, it may be you that's irrelevant.

You can say what you want about me, but don't talk about my magblade.

brandonv516 · August 2016

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

sirrmattus · August 2016

im not comparing mag blade to stam blade. im just saying. the dps and the pvp aspect of mag nb is not on the level of other classes. yes its a very fun class to solo rp with

Peekachu99 · August 2016

They make awesome tanks. Buffs out the wazzoo, tons of mobility, self-heals, great sustain.

itsfatbass · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

They just look gimped because of stam builds.

Stam builds are doing Extreemly well. Stam is not gimped.

You misunderstand what they meant. They MEANT that stamina builds are so strong, anything else looks gimped.

Berenhir · August 2016

Most people just play their magblade like a stamblade with infinite cloak in pvp. Sharpened DW and instead of bow/2h they take a resto to town.
No wonder they are underperforming :-D

Alpharos7 · August 2016

If played correctly, mag blades can be godly. I totally want to join the argonion magblade tank legion.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Yesss yesss...all of us magicka nbs struggle ever so much...please give us all the buffs

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Mush55 · August 2016

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

I don't really use my magic nb anymore. Can't seem too get his spell damage past 2200 which seems really low too me. Considering my Stan nb hits alot harder with physical at around 3600. Plus his abilitys. Magic nb seems my strongest ability is soul siphon believe which crits around 8k I think.

Scathing mage plus other skill buffs my spell damage tops out about 3850 with about 80% uptime, my spectral bow hits for 46k+ crit

Not saying I'm the best set up or best player but there is nothing wrong with mag nb's dps it's just a different play style and I prefer it, yes stam is flavour of the month with the amount of weapon damage they can stack.

Kas · August 2016

they're top zerg DDs in PvP
they're very good DDs in PvE AoE situations with great utility
they're top easy-solo classes for PvE (beginner's vMSA, for top scors stam seems to be better)

they're decent PvE DDs on bosses - they just do less than others if others are allowed to fully use the stationary grounds dots and long-lasting dots (just no chance to compete on static bosses. magNBs have no chance to pull off stam dk numbers on rakkaht etc, but they'll do much better on the hel-ra upstairs boss to give an extreme example)

they're okay for solo pvp (currently not as good as stam alternatives, though)

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doesn't look too bad to me, imho. especially in pve, i think they are underrated because it's the current fashion to compare dps on bosses where stamdk's etc shine. i guess throughout a whole trials, mag nb's are fairly close. fighting targets that live shorter than 10sec is a huge problem for dk's. even in aoe situations unless more tagrgets will be fought in the exact same spot (e.g. vSO pre-manti is fine for DKs)

Shader_Shibes · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

They just look gimped because of stam builds.

Stam builds are doing Extreemly well. Stam is not gimped.

Lol what? Read what i said.

UrQuan · August 2016

I haven't played a magicka NB very much - I just recently got one to level 50. So far I've only been DPSing with that character, but I'm starting to see how much potential there is for a magicka NB to be a really strong tank... To the point where I'm starting to wonder if a magicka NB sap-tank with a solid build might just be the best tanking build in the game. I've run with good NB tanks before, I just never fully grasped how great some of the NB skills are for tanking until I started using a magicka NB.

exeeter702 · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

They just look gimped because of stam builds.

Stam builds are doing Extreemly well. Stam is not gimped.

He didn't say they were....

Jeremy · August 2016

jaye63 wrote: »

Everyone keeps telling me certain builds are irrelevant. I tell them that when they pay my sub or refund my purchase price, they can tell me what and how to build.

If it has relevance to you and you can figure out a way to make it work, dont worry about what others say. If it works, it works and doesnt matter how it's built. If it does what you want it to, it's perfectly relevant. Listening to other people ends when they say it has to be a certain way. Then it becomes, pay me and I'll play it that way for you.

Agreed. Long as it gets the job done it's fine. Who cares if it's not at the top of some dps meter.

idk · August 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Sadly, they fall behind when it comes to dps in competitive content. They suffer from having a few amount of dots which decreases time on target. I pvp however they can be very effective.

The more DoTs you have the more passive damage you have AKA the more time you have to DPS AKA more DPS...

You have a severe misunderstanding of how DPS works in this game. More DOTS does not mean more DPS.

Actually, it basically does. Every strong build I've seen ans worked with had dots. The more the better. Essentially every dot availabek for your build. It's why most stam users have a bow on their back bar.

Some of the hardest hitting skills are dots.

Junkogen · August 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

What's your build? How are you getting such high numbers across the board?

DPG76 · August 2016

i play as an magblade , have a lots of fun in pvp and pve
i love the variety of ability's that i can swap depending on the situation and i don't care about dooing the utter most dps altough i surpass the many on that issue
in pvp i LOVE this class , toppie ganking mode and support in groups

the only class only that has an ability to guarantee crits ..

it's an ok class and i love to be the underdog anyway

Ebonheart1111 · August 2016

Buff Magblades for Harambe

Actually_Goku · August 2016

OP, one of the most fun utilities in this game is perma-cloaking in Cyrodiil.

See that zerg? DK, Templar and Sorc, you're dead.

Mag NB? No problem, just cloak straight through them. Maybe hit a proxy-det and soul tether them all!

JudahXBL · August 2016

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

Lich mNBs have no place in PVE, but they can he annoying in PVP sometimes. They should be wearing TBS or something else in PVE, imo. Sorry, but when you start trailing 10-20k DPS, idgaf how much "utility" you provide. It's a burden to a team in dungeons.

Not hating on them, but when I see a mNB dual wielding in a vet dungeon and not even trying to use AoE's, it pisses me off. Especially since they were looking at potentially capping certain spammable skills (Jabs, Sap, etc.) in the pre U11 stream.Then the gap only further widens. On that note, though, my friend can tank most vet dungeons with his mNB Sap tank.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

JudahXBL wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

Lich mNBs have no place in PVE, but they can he annoying in PVP sometimes. They should be wearing TBS or something else in PVE, imo. Sorry, but when you start trailing 10-20k DPS, idgaf how much "utility" you provide. It's a burden to a team in dungeons.

Not hating on them, but when I see a mNB dual wielding in a vet dungeon and not even trying to use AoE's, it pisses me off. Especially since they were looking at potentially capping certain spammable skills (Jabs, Sap, etc.) in the pre U11 stream.Then the gap only further widens. On that note, though, my friend can tank most vet dungeons with his mNB Sap tank.

It doesn't look like @brandonv516 is running a lich build...in cyrodiil I can get my health to 28k, magicka to 42k, regen to like 1700, and spell damage north of 4500 with a few buffs. It could go higher with more stuff like warhorn and finishing maxing out undaunted.
But I agree with you-the cringe is real when dps nbs say "they hit so hard bruh like best dps in ep" but are just spamming concealed weapon with dw

. But actual mnb dps are, imo, extremely valuable to groups.

Patouf · August 2016

Best mass ganker
Best PvP troll
Best Tanky DPS
Best healing DPS
Best versatil class for PvP (for PvE it is Templar)
Easiest class to play
Best ressources managing
Easiest class to do vMA
Best solo class
Best class for leveling
Funniest class overall

IMAO

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One of the worst DPS BUT MagBlade has a really good utility (healing + ultimate)
Can be a really good Healer and tank except for some trials

leepalmer95 · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

And in pvp, you can one shot with Assassins Will

You know how annoying it is to proc assassins will within 20s when everyones rolling around or shuffle dodgeing your light attacks.

I was dueling something the other day and he survived by first meteor/will because of shuffle dodge will, he then shuffle dodged my next one and the tether will after that...

acw37162 · August 2016

They are incredibly powerful and awesome in raid and dungeon settings for their utility and DPS.

Either you are around people who are giving you inaccurate information or you haven't l figured out the class.

They are an amazing class.

Junkogen · August 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

JudahXBL wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

Lich mNBs have no place in PVE, but they can he annoying in PVP sometimes. They should be wearing TBS or something else in PVE, imo. Sorry, but when you start trailing 10-20k DPS, idgaf how much "utility" you provide. It's a burden to a team in dungeons.

Not hating on them, but when I see a mNB dual wielding in a vet dungeon and not even trying to use AoE's, it pisses me off. Especially since they were looking at potentially capping certain spammable skills (Jabs, Sap, etc.) in the pre U11 stream.Then the gap only further widens. On that note, though, my friend can tank most vet dungeons with his mNB Sap tank.

It doesn't look like @brandonv516 is running a lich build...in cyrodiil I can get my health to 28k, magicka to 42k, regen to like 1700, and spell damage north of 4500 with a few buffs. It could go higher with more stuff like warhorn and finishing maxing out undaunted.
But I agree with you-the cringe is real when dps nbs say "they hit so hard bruh like best dps in ep" but are just spamming concealed weapon with dw . But actual mnb dps are, imo, extremely valuable to groups.

How are you guys achieving these numbers? What is your build?

I don't believe this is possible.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

JudahXBL wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

Lich mNBs have no place in PVE, but they can he annoying in PVP sometimes. They should be wearing TBS or something else in PVE, imo. Sorry, but when you start trailing 10-20k DPS, idgaf how much "utility" you provide. It's a burden to a team in dungeons.

Not hating on them, but when I see a mNB dual wielding in a vet dungeon and not even trying to use AoE's, it pisses me off. Especially since they were looking at potentially capping certain spammable skills (Jabs, Sap, etc.) in the pre U11 stream.Then the gap only further widens. On that note, though, my friend can tank most vet dungeons with his mNB Sap tank.

It doesn't look like @brandonv516 is running a lich build...in cyrodiil I can get my health to 28k, magicka to 42k, regen to like 1700, and spell damage north of 4500 with a few buffs. It could go higher with more stuff like warhorn and finishing maxing out undaunted.
But I agree with you-the cringe is real when dps nbs say "they hit so hard bruh like best dps in ep" but are just spamming concealed weapon with dw . But actual mnb dps are, imo, extremely valuable to groups.

How are you guys achieving these numbers? What is your build?

I don't believe this is possible.

For Max magicka numbers over 40k: undaunted, food, inner light slotted, mages guild passives, siphoning ability slotted, racial bonus.
For Max health: food, ayleid well, cyrodiil bonus, emp alliance bonus.
For Magicka regen: atronach mundus, continuous attack, major intellect, racial bonus.
For spell damage: clever alchemist, spell damage enchants, major sorcery, one kena, gold maxed out weapons (maelstrom gives an extra bonus), continuous attack, spell power cure pushes it even higher.

And there are plenty more buffs to inflate various numbers (ebon set, warhorn, transmutation, etc...) also maxed out on cp.

bowmanz607 · August 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

JudahXBL wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I love my magicka nb. Just made him breton with the patch and he has 40-42k magicka, 19k health, 3200-3400 spell damage, and almost 2000 magicka recovery. Definitely not irrelevant.

Lich mNBs have no place in PVE, but they can he annoying in PVP sometimes. They should be wearing TBS or something else in PVE, imo. Sorry, but when you start trailing 10-20k DPS, idgaf how much "utility" you provide. It's a burden to a team in dungeons.

Not hating on them, but when I see a mNB dual wielding in a vet dungeon and not even trying to use AoE's, it pisses me off. Especially since they were looking at potentially capping certain spammable skills (Jabs, Sap, etc.) in the pre U11 stream.Then the gap only further widens. On that note, though, my friend can tank most vet dungeons with his mNB Sap tank.

It doesn't look like @brandonv516 is running a lich build...in cyrodiil I can get my health to 28k, magicka to 42k, regen to like 1700, and spell damage north of 4500 with a few buffs. It could go higher with more stuff like warhorn and finishing maxing out undaunted.
But I agree with you-the cringe is real when dps nbs say "they hit so hard bruh like best dps in ep" but are just spamming concealed weapon with dw . But actual mnb dps are, imo, extremely valuable to groups.

How are you guys achieving these numbers? What is your build?

I don't believe this is possible.

Ya those numbers are accurate. You can look at the show me your nb section in the forums to see these numbers for proof. Or YouTube sypher builds and others to see it.