what if we get a lootbox key from doing daily vet/dungeon? and limit keys bought to 12 per day.

dsalter · August 2016

before anyone says. i to hate loot boxes, but maybe just MAYBE they still stupidly add it, theres a way to please everyone.

so basically we could make the daily dungeon give one key a day per alt. this encourages people further to play with each other.

the limiter helps null the "can't get it in game" argument but also the limiter being on there per day helps to stop people with addictions to gambling on these types of things from ruining themselves.

with PvP there could be a kill 40-60 different players at keeps daily quest that rewards a key. this will give all styles of PvP play a chance of a daily key.

and of course the boxes can fall into the "Rare" drops catagory which require the key. while ones straight from the store come with their keys (which are bound same as reward keys so no sellsies).

Editted in this bit: also put a limit on the total keys an account can hold to 40-50 so nobody can hoard say 100+ keys for when a specific box drops, cause lets be honest, this would couple well with helping folks cope with addictions since they can't stockpile TO much

As i have stated before i do NOT want the lootboxes in game AT ALL but if we HAVE to have them at least take this comprimise. the limiter might not get you the money in one big go, but it'll help gain a steady income as well as gain a HUGE amount of respect as a gaming company for being one of the few to consider those with illness and addiction from further ruining their own lives.

@ZOS_GinaBruno i hope you can get the higher ups to read this, if they won't back down from player complaints, at least try get them to compromise and hopefully keep the game i love and helps with my anxiety and depression issues stay healthy

Wow · August 2016

I like freebies :'( , but I'm afraid people with thick wallet would disagree with you and fanboys would call you a self-entitled brats.

This is why we can't have nice things.

dsalter · August 2016

Wow wrote: »

I like freebies :'( , but I'm afraid people with thick wallet would disagree with you and fanboys would call you a self-entitled brats.

This is why we can't have nice things.

thats the thing, the thick wallet folk will still get an "advantage" over key amounts per day since they could both daily and store keys, but they would only get so many more on top of regular DAILY players. hence the compromise

Tandor · August 2016

Although I don't have any personal interest in lockboxes and don't envisage ever wanting to get one, I'm not keen on a system that makes keys available to most styles of play but not all. Having them available for those who do dungeons or PvP leaves out a lot of players - and no, if someone's playstyle preferences don't include dungeons then dangling a lockbox key in front of them isn't going to induce them to change their playstyle. Soloers are just as valid supporters and players of the game as groupers and PvPers and shouldn't be excluded from such a system.

Miszou · August 2016

Every time ZOS adds something to the game, a zillion threads appear suggesting ways that it should somehow be made available for free.

dsalter · August 2016

Miszou wrote: »

Every time ZOS adds something to the game, a zillion threads appear suggesting ways that it should somehow be made available for free.

i'm not asking for free stuff. in all honesty i'd rather just scrap the lockbox idea completely and buy the things i want directly. but i'm just trying to find a compromise that pleases everyone.

Tandor · August 2016

dsalter wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Every time ZOS adds something to the game, a zillion threads appear suggesting ways that it should somehow be made available for free.

i'm not asking for free stuff. in all honesty i'd rather just scrap the lockbox idea completely and buy the things i want directly. but i'm just trying to find a compromise that pleases everyone.

Same here. I'm not commenting on the merits of either lockboxes or the OP's proposal, just making the point that any compromise should be offered to all players regardless of their playstyle.

alexkdd99 · August 2016

Why would they limit how much money someone can give them in a single day. I think people forget that first and foremost they are a business and they are there to make a profit.

Sure they want to make a great game and keep the majority of the player base happy since that is their job. I really doubt they would ever consider making the keys as easy to obtain as referenced in your post. After all if they are that easy to get it would severely cut into key sales from crown store.
I honestly could care less what they sell or for how much as long as it does not hinder me from being able to play the game.

More than anything I wish they would fix existing bugs, mainly completely reworking the group finder to work more consistently. Hopefully they will with upcoming update.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2016

Leave it alone....

Recremen · August 2016

I don't like the idea of Crown Store items being free, almost as much as I don't like the idea of gambling boxes replacing legitimate purchases of an item.

starkerealm · August 2016

dsalter wrote: »

As i have stated before i do NOT want the lootboxes in game AT ALL but if we HAVE to have them at least take this comprimise.

No, we really don't. This is a business we're talking about, not your friend. They do something you don't agree with, it's okay to get up and walk away from the table.

It sucks, believe me, I know. But, if they're going to do this, and lie about it? They're not a company you want to do business with. You'll never be able to trust anything they tell you in the future.

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2016

Meh, they got bills, rent and staff to pay, I'll chuck em a few dollars now and then for a loot box and the continuation of the game, cos guess what? No income means no game

Bad_Company · August 2016

My problem with gambling boxes is not that I or some else can't afford them. It's the boxes per se. They are a money-milking feature that nobody likes, but many will try their luck with. It's easy revenue, but it doesn't mean it's right. Now, they know the community is strongly against them being added, but will they listen?

Anyway, no. I don't think they'll ever make them obtainable for free.

P3ZZL3 · August 2016

Just have a simple DAILY quest, in game, that everyone can do. Gives you a key. Key runs of a loot table with everything in it, but the "Incredibly rare" items are at .5% chance of getting.

Don;t give people any form of "special gems" for the free Keys. These should only go to those with crown purchases.

If you want extreme, throw in the ability for "Daily Key" loot to be put on the crown store and the "Crown Crates" to be bound to account.

idk · August 2016

We already get undaunted keys from completing dungeon pledges.

If your talking the new boxes that will be added to the crown store, Zos isn't doing anything unique and it will remain 100% a crown store item. Your suggestions would eliminate it being a crown store item and defeat it's purpose, if this is what you are talking about.

P3ZZL3 · August 2016

@Giles.floydub17_ESO I'm not convinced it would defeat the purpose. It would make the option available in-game and remove the "OMG real cash only" comments and allow for them all to be obtained in-game - all be it with a very low chance rate.

If you want to speed up that process and "want it now" - thus falling under convenience - then sure, go buy lox of loot boxes.

And if you really want to push the boundaries of Skulduggery and underhanded play - by allowing people to access 1 per day, it introduces them to the item. Once introduced, they may well be tempted to buy one or two more....which leads to even more. Standard addiction theory really

idk · August 2016

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO I'm not convinced it would defeat the purpose. It would make the option available in-game and remove the "OMG real cash only" comments and allow for them all to be obtained in-game - all be it with a very low chance rate.

If you want to speed up that process and "want it now" - thus falling under convenience - then sure, go buy lox of loot boxes.

And if you really want to push the boundaries of Skulduggery and underhanded play - by allowing people to access 1 per day, it introduces them to the item. Once introduced, they may well be tempted to buy one or two more....which leads to even more. Standard addiction theory really

@P3ZZL3

It's would completely undermine the purpose of having the boxes in the cash shop. It would most certainly, and obviously so, reduce the sales of the boxes.

The entire premise of the OP's suggestion is to make it so players would not have to buy the boxes from the crown store. How would this not undermine having the boxes in the crown store to begin with?

The crown store is there to help finance the continued developement of this game. They have to add items that players would want to buy without adding items that spiel improve game play above what is already available in game.

The reason many are upset about the boxes is because they want them, well, they want some of the items that may be in them, without having to pay for them.

P3ZZL3 · August 2016

@Giles.floydub17_ESO Your last sentence is, in fact, completely out of kilter to what everyone is saying in the threads.

Everyone is more than happy to pay for them. They do not want to pay for the "lottery of maybe" getting them.

If they put all the items in the store, for sale, at say 1500-2000 crowns each, many would just buy them - removing any element of RNG - so the financial revenue would be there. That being said, it would also be capped as only so many people would actually buy them.

Somewhere, a pseudo economist has looked at the stats and worked out that the average spend on doing that, over and above having the random element of a "luck" loot box RNG table, states that the return financially would be higher.

But as with all of these things, they haven't taken in to account that people are fickle beings.Someone has "assumed" - and it has to be assumed as there is no concrete proof for them to work off, that if we have X number of active players - then Y% should purchase Z number of boxes - and that figure has to be higher than what they feel they would get back from just putting them in the store.

Anyhows, just my ramblings and musings

Very bored at work so thought I'd throw in my hat to one of these threads

idk · August 2016

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO Your last sentence is, in fact, completely out of kilter to what everyone is saying in the threads.

Everyone is more than happy to pay for them. They do not want to pay for the "lottery of maybe" getting them.

If they put all the items in the store, for sale, at say 1500-2000 crowns each, many would just buy them - removing any element of RNG - so the financial revenue would be there. That being said, it would also be capped as only so many people would actually buy them.

Somewhere, a pseudo economist has looked at the stats and worked out that the average spend on doing that, over and above having the random element of a "luck" loot box RNG table, states that the return financially would be higher.

But as with all of these things, they haven't taken in to account that people are fickle beings.Someone has "assumed" - and it has to be assumed as there is no concrete proof for them to work off, that if we have X number of active players - then Y% should purchase Z number of boxes - and that figure has to be higher than what they feel they would get back from just putting them in the store.

Anyhows, just my ramblings and musings Very bored at work so thought I'd throw in my hat to one of these threads

@P3ZZL3

My comment was out of kilter with the thread, I suggest you read the OP once again.

OP is looking for other means for players to get the boxes without having to pay for them.

OP seems to want a means to get keys to unlock boxes presumably to get the same rewards from the crown lock boxes.

As far as pseudo economists or paeudo business logic goes, there is information out there concerning the behavior of players with such items. SWTOR has long has boxes and the boxes changes often during the year. The boxes we very much like what ESO has describes so far and they do sell well. Other games have similar items.

The main difference between ESO and SWTOR lock box items is they are not bound. The boxes and items can be traded and sold to other players That will make the differnce in how successful these boxes are.

Please excuse any typos. On phone currently.