Who can provide technical information on the Plentiful Harvest perk?

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Currently the Plentiful Harvest perk is not working correctly for Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax. ZOS and Customer Support seem to be avoiding the question like the plague. Whom at ZOS can answer my "technical" question?

Is Plentiful Harvest currently working as intended?
If it is not working, are there plans to fix the Plentiful Harvest perk?

It would be greatly appreciated if ZOS could provide some relevant feedback pertaining to this perk instead of the usual cut and paste responses I have been receiving for nearly a month.

Mashille · August 2016

I don't think Torchbugs and Butterflies count as 'Nodes'.

I would guess that they are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it would be working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals. But I'm not 100% sure.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Mashille wrote: »

Torchbugs and Butterflies don't count as 'Nodes'.

They are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it is working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals.

Sounds reasonable enough with only one exception. One does not have to kill the Butterflies or Torch Bugs to harvest their materials so they are in no way similar to harvested leather materials.

Mashille · August 2016

@xRIVALENx

I was just pointing out that I don't think they are not considered 'Nodes' and that they are not the only thing to not be affected by Plentiful Harvest due to Animals yielding Leather also not being considered 'Nodes'. Well, I'm guessing anyway.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Suppose some more relevant information should be added to this as well. Currently Plentiful Harvest does double the rate on Insect Parts when harvesting Butterflies and Torch Bugs.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Mashille wrote: »

@xRIVALENx

I was just pointing out that they are not considered 'Nodes' and that they are not the only thing to not be affected by Plentiful Harvest due to Animals yielding Leather also not being considered 'Nodes'

I appreciate the response

Runs · August 2016

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Currently the Plentiful Harvest perk is not working correctly for Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax. ZOS and Customer Support seem to be avoiding the question like the plague. Whom at ZOS can answer my "technical" question?

Is Plentiful Harvest currently working as intended?
If it is not working, are there plans to fix the Plentiful Harvest perk?

It would be greatly appreciated if ZOS could provide some relevant feedback pertaining to this perk instead of the usual cut and paste responses I have been receiving for nearly a month.

Mashille wrote: »

Torchbugs and Butterflies don't count as 'Nodes'.

They are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it is working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals.

Not sure what either of you are talking about.

When these items were introduced I immediately saw my speed double collecting them. Now I don't know if they did that for everyone or just for those with the perk as all my characters have the perk, so I assumed it was the perk.

I have for sure seen the double harvest on them as well.

Here is a small clip of me grabbing some, this still seems to be about twice as fast as it was before those items where introduced into the game. Also a double insect parts from one of them, not sure if that ever happened before they were linked to crafting or not.

https://youtu.be/R0cv5sKttRc

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Runs wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Currently the Plentiful Harvest perk is not working correctly for Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax. ZOS and Customer Support seem to be avoiding the question like the plague. Whom at ZOS can answer my "technical" question?

Is Plentiful Harvest currently working as intended?
If it is not working, are there plans to fix the Plentiful Harvest perk?

It would be greatly appreciated if ZOS could provide some relevant feedback pertaining to this perk instead of the usual cut and paste responses I have been receiving for nearly a month.

Mashille wrote: »

Torchbugs and Butterflies don't count as 'Nodes'.

They are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it is working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals.

Not sure what either of you are talking about.

When these items were introduced I immediately saw my speed double collecting them. Now I don't know if they did that for everyone or just for those with the perk as all my characters have the perk, so I assumed it was the perk.

I have for sure seen the double harvest on them as well.

Here is a small clip of me grabbing some, this still seems to be about twice as fast as it was before those items where introduced into the game. Also a double insect parts from one of them, not sure if that ever happened before they were linked to crafting or not.

https://youtu.be/R0cv5sKttRc

May I ask when this video was taken?

I have harvested 1000's of Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax without a single one being doubled.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Watching that video I noticed you did not receive double Butterfly Wings.

Runs · August 2016

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Currently the Plentiful Harvest perk is not working correctly for Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax. ZOS and Customer Support seem to be avoiding the question like the plague. Whom at ZOS can answer my "technical" question?

Is Plentiful Harvest currently working as intended?
If it is not working, are there plans to fix the Plentiful Harvest perk?

It would be greatly appreciated if ZOS could provide some relevant feedback pertaining to this perk instead of the usual cut and paste responses I have been receiving for nearly a month.

Mashille wrote: »

Torchbugs and Butterflies don't count as 'Nodes'.

They are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it is working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals.

Not sure what either of you are talking about.

When these items were introduced I immediately saw my speed double collecting them. Now I don't know if they did that for everyone or just for those with the perk as all my characters have the perk, so I assumed it was the perk.

I have for sure seen the double harvest on them as well.

Here is a small clip of me grabbing some, this still seems to be about twice as fast as it was before those items where introduced into the game. Also a double insect parts from one of them, not sure if that ever happened before they were linked to crafting or not.

https://youtu.be/R0cv5sKttRc

May I ask when this video was taken?

I have harvested 1000's of Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax without a single one being doubled.

About 5 minutes before I submitted the post.

-edit- it may just be the insect parts I am seeing double... But I've never seen that before, or never noticed anyway

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

nodes.... plants, wood, metal and runes. the stuff you get writs for.

and yes, it is working.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Runs wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

Currently the Plentiful Harvest perk is not working correctly for Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax. ZOS and Customer Support seem to be avoiding the question like the plague. Whom at ZOS can answer my "technical" question?

Is Plentiful Harvest currently working as intended?
If it is not working, are there plans to fix the Plentiful Harvest perk?

It would be greatly appreciated if ZOS could provide some relevant feedback pertaining to this perk instead of the usual cut and paste responses I have been receiving for nearly a month.

Mashille wrote: »

Torchbugs and Butterflies don't count as 'Nodes'.

They are a separate entity to things such as Logs, Cloth, Ore and flowers. As they are not characterized as 'Nodes' the Plentiful harvest perk will not affect them.

So technically yes it is working as intended, as it should not affect things you don't harvest, as you don't harvest Butterflies and Torchbugs so it will not double yields in the same way it does not double Leather yields from animals.

Not sure what either of you are talking about.

When these items were introduced I immediately saw my speed double collecting them. Now I don't know if they did that for everyone or just for those with the perk as all my characters have the perk, so I assumed it was the perk.

I have for sure seen the double harvest on them as well.

Here is a small clip of me grabbing some, this still seems to be about twice as fast as it was before those items where introduced into the game. Also a double insect parts from one of them, not sure if that ever happened before they were linked to crafting or not.

https://youtu.be/R0cv5sKttRc

May I ask when this video was taken?

I have harvested 1000's of Butterfly Wings and Torchbug Thorax without a single one being doubled.

About 5 minutes before I submitted the post.

-edit- it may just be the insect parts I am seeing double... But I've never seen that before, or never noticed anyway

Thanks for responding. That has been the part that has been bothering me, the Insect Parts are doubling but the alchemy materials are not which just doesn't seem right.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

nodes.... plants, wood, metal and runes. the stuff you get writs for.

and yes, it is working.

I understand that yes... Care to explain why we are seeing double the rate for insect parts?

The Uninvited · August 2016

xRIVALENx wrote: »

One does not have to kill the Butterflies or Torch Bugs to harvest their materials so they are in no way similar to harvested leather materials.

So, you're telling me that ripping off the wings or tearing out the thorax isn't killing them?

xRIVALENx · August 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

nodes.... plants, wood, metal and runes. the stuff you get writs for.

and yes, it is working.

I understand that yes... Care to explain why we are seeing double the rate for insect parts?

The Uninvited wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

One does not have to kill the Butterflies or Torch Bugs to harvest their materials so they are in no way similar to harvested leather materials.

So, you're telling me that ripping off the wings or tearing out the thorax isn't killing them?

Haha I suppose you are correct, we do kill them. Just in a different way

It would be an awfully slow death for the Butterflies.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

My question has been moved to answered without an answer being accepted. ZOS can you please fix this, the question is not answered as of yet.

- Edit -

I seem to have fixed it myself by posting.

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Nevermind...

Apparently when you edit your own comments it sets your question to answered....

Asardes · August 2016

The way the perk works is that it givers you a 10% chance to harvest the node twice, with independent probabilities for the quantity of the main item as well as getting the special item on each harvest. For example in Craglorn it happened a few times to get double yield base material, a potent and a fortified nirncrux from a node, but more often just the double yield with just one type of nirncrux, and quite often just the double yield. Also got multiple crawlers from void bloom nodes but there I'm not sure they should come in multiples for each harvest, or the multiplication is the result of the perk.

If the perk worked correctly for butterflies and torchbugs, in the long run one should get approximately 10% more insect parts, and 10% more wings/thoraxes. I've gotten multiple insect parts, but never multiple wings/thoraxes. So probably the algorithm for bugs contains a branch where the 2nd harvest is not taken into account when generating the special item. Whether this is intentional or just a slip remains to be seen.

Mashille · August 2016

I mean, I don't wanna be that guy, but I did sort of answer the initial question

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Mashille wrote: »

I mean, I don't wanna be that guy, but I did sort of answer the initial question

You did indeed! I'm really hoping ZOS will chime in at some point

xRIVALENx · August 2016

Asardes wrote: »

The way the perk works is that it givers you a 10% chance to harvest the node twice, with independent probabilities for the quantity of the main item as well as getting the special item on each harvest. For example in Craglorn it happened a few times to get double yield base material, a potent and a fortified nirncrux from a node, but more often just the double yield with just one type of nirncrux, and quite often just the double yield. Also got multiple crawlers from void bloom nodes but there I'm not sure they should come in multiples for each harvest, or the multiplication is the result of the perk.

If the perk worked correctly for butterflies and torchbugs, in the long run one should get approximately 10% more insect parts, and 10% more wings/thoraxes. I've gotten multiple insect parts, but never multiple wings/thoraxes. So probably the algorithm for bugs contains a branch where the 2nd harvest is not taken into account when generating the special item. Whether this is intentional or just a slip remains to be seen.

This is a very thorough explanation.

carljokl · September 2016

It would seem to make sense in spite of the perk.

Could you get more than one thorax from a single torch-bug? More than one pair of wings from a single butterfly? Are they mutants?

This argument might be negated by the fact you can take a butterfly's wings and it will keep flying or a torch-bug thorax leaving the insect parts but it keeps flying and glowing.

I haven't completely figured out whether butterflies and torch-bugs sometimes just don't drop wings / a thorax or whether these are always ones another player has got to first without taking the insect parts.

Reminds me of the joy of rushing for an Alchemy node only to find it is just the crawlers another player didn't take. Now that I think of it, would that prevent a node from re-spawning if the crawlers are never taken?

Also wish this perk could improve at higher levels beyond the 10% chance but don't expect it will change.

Ilsabet · September 2016

Do people without the CP perk also occasionally get double insect parts?

If so, that would explain things right there.

Kammakazi · September 2016

Plentiful Harvest can double proc, and triple proc.

Fun fact.