Sounds like we can look forward to every set in the game capable of being scaled to CR160. Good

I hope these new veteran dungeons aren't just normal dungeon with higher difficulty.

@ajwest927 The new veteran dungeons are exactly that.

For example.. Wayrest Sewers currently has story part 1 and story part 2. Story part 1 will get a veteran mode (with new monster set) and story part 2 will get a normal mode.

Next example. Vaults of Madness currently just has 1 story in normal mode. It will receive that same story but in veteran mode (with new monster set)

There is actually 16 normal dungeons who haven't any monster mask. They've announced that all normal dungeon will get a mask. And they announced 17 mask.
Perhaps one of these dungeons will finally get a vet mode. I hope Volenfell, the normal story is the most frustrating without the end. Selene will be also good in order to wreck this altmer.

Oh, and I also wish the actual vet dungeon will be the normal version, or at least that it's a "middle" version comparing to the future normal/vet one. All of them (vCoA included) are too easy in my opinion, and if they going to have a normal version the vet one should be hard, more or less like the dlc one (preferentially before the second nerf of the IC one).

driosketch wrote: »

Boxes aside, I've noticed we've gone from a full zone update, to a series of half zones, to a pair of dungeons to no DLC at all for update 12.

Have you ever noticed how people will say, 'fix the game before you add new stuff'. This is that. Opening zones to all factions is something players have wanted since the beginning, and duels was a popular idea as well.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Boxes aside, I've noticed we've gone from a full zone update, to a series of half zones, to a pair of dungeons to no DLC at all for update 12.

Have you ever noticed how people will say, 'fix the game before you add new stuff'. This is that. Opening zones to all factions is something players have wanted since the beginning, and duels was a popular idea as well.

Just making an observation. Also these would be quality of life additions and added features, which I like, but still counts as new stuff. When players say fixes, they usually refer to broken skills, sets, exploitable mechanics, and the lag.

Actually, most of what I liked about Update 11 was the base game updates. That doesn't mean they were free, change appearance token, costume dyeing. With lock boxes coming in Update 12, I'm wondering if we're seeing another business shift for the game since it went B2P.

I wanted to repost my dislike for the "Crown Crates" idea here, as well as add to it.

Adding the Crown Store RNG box is a tremendous slap in the face. I have been playing (and subscribed) to ESO since launch day. I have collected every mount and pet the Crown Store has had to offer, limited time mounts and pets included. A lot of time and money has gone into making sure that I was always aware of these limited time offers and able to make the purchases. I wanted to collect all of the LIMITED TIME mounts and pets because they would only be offered for a LIMITED TIME, and it is cool to have something that others do not have and can no longer get. It shows loyalty to the game and being around when those items were made available, for a limited time only.

These soon-to-be-added Crown Store RNG boxes are a slap in the face to players like me that have collected and continue to collect all of these LIMITED TIME mounts and pets. Making the limited time mounts and pets available once again, to players that missed it, or were not even playing the game when they came out, is an insult.

To add insult to injury, there will also be "very rare" mounts and pets that are ONLY obtainable through these Crown Store RNG boxes. So people like me that paid for and collected all the limited time mounts and pets must buy these Crown Store RNG boxes to unlock the "very rare" Crown Store RNG box-locked only mounts and pets. This is completely unfair to collectors and is a predatory source of revenue.

It was also mentioned at the ESO Tavern event that these Crown Store RNG boxes would be a "low crown cost." As enticing as this will sound to all those already drooling over the addition of these to the Crown Store, think about the additional insult added here. The LIMITED TIME ONLY mounts and pets were available, for a limited time only, at a high crown cost, because that was supposed to be the only time they were available, so you have to pay that high price if you wanted that LIMITED TIME mount or pet. So, now you are telling me that not only will these limited time mounts and pets not actually be limited time, but they will also be cheaper to obtain via the Crown Store RNG box than they were when I bought them, for a limited time only? Yes, I understand that it might take you more than one box to get the mount or pet that you are aiming for, but either way, the one you get will still have cost less than it originally did, when it was only for a limited time.

The Crown Gem system is a weak solution to the bigger problem, and an attempt to lessen the outrage that the Crown Store RNG boxes bring. The bigger problem being: Collectors do not want the Crown Store RNG box to ever be implemented. What if the only thing I want out of the Crown Store RNG box are the "very rare" Crown Store RNG box-locked only mounts and pets (because I have all the other "limited time" mounts and pets already)? So I will be spending a TON of real money to buy crowns to try my luck at getting these "very rare" Crown Store RNG box-locked only mounts and pets, only to be getting Crown Gems. These new "very rare" Crown Store box-locked only mounts and pets are likely to be "too rare" to be made available for direct purchase through Crown Gems. So I will just be throwing money at the Crown Store RNG box, and collecting thousands of useless Crown Gems and losing real money. This gamble is unfair and cruel to collectors.

I understand that they might also contain costumes (which I do not care to collect, as there are far too many). So will I instead be buying the Crown Store RNG boxes, trying to get the new Crown Store RNG box-locked only mounts and pets, and getting tons of costumes that I do not want?

The Crown Store RNG box is something that I do not want to ever see in the Crown Store and in-game, I am sure that there are thousands of others that would agree. From what the poll has shown, there are many that do not want this implemented.

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I wanted to add that the only way I could see this Crown Crate idea not destroy half the player base would be to amend it.

IF the idea of Crown-Crate-Only obtainable items, namely mounts and pets- was to be taken out, I could see this not being a TOTALLY corrupted idea. That way the collectors (such as myself and thousands of others) would not be forced to buy the gamble boxes in attempts to get the Crown-Crate-Only mounts and pets. In my opinion, the LIMITED TIME ONLY mounts and pets should remain as such, but I know there are players out there that have been begging for a way to get these mounts and pets that they missed the window of opportunity for. I know that was the original intention of the Crown Crates, but the new addition of Crown-Crate-Only items (especially mounts and pets) is very cruel and predatory. I am sure those with gambling addictions, or just plain collectors such as myself, will have a continued issue with the Crown Crates. Since I know there is 0 chance of ZOS taking this idea out before live, I just hope that someone actually reads this and amends the Crown Crate as mentioned. The Crown Gem solution is a Band-Aid, the thing that really needs to be removed is the Crown-Crate-Only section.


Ideas like this Crown Crate one really make me wish ZOS was in California, so that I could work there and be a part of decisions such as this one. This is a very poor business decision ZOS. The outrage of this one idea will cause many players to turn away from ESO. I love this game and am very passionate about it- things like this nearly bring me to tears. I am not exaggerating.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Boxes aside, I've noticed we've gone from a full zone update, to a series of half zones, to a pair of dungeons to no DLC at all for update 12.

Free stuff is always fine by me. Especially revamped craglorn and dueling, which you don't pay a single penny to get. Plus, we're getting vet versions of all the dungeons we currently have as normal, and normal dungeons for all current vet versions.

Sounds a whole lot better than a new zone to me

Hey, if they aren't going to sell us duel instance tokens or make dungeons chapter 2 sub only, I'm for it. (Even if I'm already subbed).

If the cause is because lock boxes, I'm not sure how to feel.

Cazzy wrote: »

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

Disagree completely with the Crown Crates especially with the part in the bold italics. The crown store is okay as it is, let's not cheese and milk it some more by gate locking content, whether cosmetic or not, behind RNG crowns lottery.

The current system is good enough, you release items to crown store for a set price, people buy or they don't, but the idea of potentially releasing something to the crown store which is unique, new and 'rare' then making it only accessible via these RNG boxes is almost fraudulent in my opinion and really breaks down the trust of the community with the devs.

It's business I understand that you're offering a service and we are paying customers at the end of the day it's your job, therefore the idea makes sense from a business standpoint. But in my opinion you're over reaching with this for sure and although at first people will jump on it regardless to obtain the past 'limited' crown store items, when the bold italics come into fruition then I can already see the disgruntled threads roll in.

Everything else regarding this update looks great however, very excited for dueling and the abundance of new item sets to hopefully shake up the meta in all game modes, but this crown crates **** irks me enough to make this thread so some community feedback is voiced as is being done so.

You decide to travel into Mournhold for any reason, like the pledge. You load in and begin to go when suddenly you're bombarded by Duel requests. You say no. You get another one. And another one. And another one. This is going to get abused so much more than the complaints people have about random unwanted Trade requests.

Have fun!

None of this really interests me. All I've been hoping for is performance stability so I can finally experience Orsinium and the other DLC Questlines without Crashing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

You decide to travel into Mournhold for any reason, like the pledge. You load in and begin to go when suddenly you're bombarded by Duel requests. You say no. You get another one. And another one. And another one. This is going to get abused so much more than the complaints people have about random unwanted Trade requests.

Have fun!

None of this really interests me. All I've been hoping for is performance stability so I can finally experience Orsinium and the other DLC Questlines without Crashing.

They actually said that there'll be a way to turn off duel invites, much as there's a way to turn off attacking innocents and similar things. So no worries on that front, they planned ahead!

I don't want a MMORPG that scales every single zone. I think I'll have to start looking for another one. I hear there's a new Conan one in the works.

Holycannoli wrote: »

I don't want a MMORPG that scales every single zone. I think I'll have to start looking for another one. I hear there's a new Conan one in the works.

That's Funcom. Both their prior MMO offerings, including their Age of Conan, have been unmitigated disasters.

Holycannoli wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

I don't want a MMORPG that scales every single zone. I think I'll have to start looking for another one. I hear there's a new Conan one in the works.

I agree, but Zenimax wants people to be able to go to any zone anytime without being disadvantaged because it's "The Elder Scrolls".

That's not really an Elder Scrolls feature. I played Daggerfall, Morrowind and Skyrim and there were definitely areas you didn't want to adventure in yet because you were too low level.

They can open the world all they want, just don't scale it all. That's not what I want in a MMORPG, that's not what this game was from beta to now, and I won't be sticking around for it.

starkerealm wrote: »

That's Funcom. Both their prior MMO offerings, including their Age of Conan, have been unmitigated disasters.

And this isn't? It may not be on the level of "disaster" right now but ZOS is sure doing a good job of changing that.

This is not a Funcom tier disaster.