Regeneration / Rapid Regen / Mutagen are still broken

jrgray93 · August 2016

This has been an issue since... I believe when DB came out? This spell and its morphs have lost their minds when it comes to targeting. They'll refresh the same targets over and over when other allies in range don't have it, and they'll sometimes not hit two allies, even occasionally hitting three. This is a serious issue for healers. Is this being looked into? Is it going to be fixed?

magnusthorek · August 2016

It's not a bug, it's a feature! <_<

jrgray93 · August 2016

I'm starting to wonder if they did it on purpose or just don't care

It has been 83 days since this bug was introduced.

herpnderpidus · October 2016

its turned my once good healer dps combo nb, into a refreshing path, and blessing of restoration spammer too focused on positioning to really freely heal

GrumpyDuckling · October 2016

ZOS never put into patch notes any mention that Regeneration/Rapid Regeneration/Mutagen would change into its current, awfully inconsistent form. They've also remained silent and not replied to a few threads here on the forums that keep bringing this issue up.

I'd suggest posting this thread in the brand new "bug" section of the forum because it couldn't hurt - maybe someone at ZOS who cares is more likely to see it.

SantaOrc · October 2016

Needs to be fixed. Annoying as censored stuff.

Brutusmax1mus · October 2016

They don't know how to fix it

GrumpyDuckling · October 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

They don't know how to fix it

Step 1 would be acknowledging it. They haven't even done that, yet.

SanSan · October 2016

Would be nice if they could make Honor the Dead prioritize yourself.
I know this is offtopic but still.

Brutusmax1mus · October 2016

It's hard for me to believe i like this game enough to support a company that has such a lack of communication on major issues. Guess i do though...

They are by far the absolute worst at communication and have no sense of urgency at all.

jrgray93 · October 2016

As a templar and as someone with a VMA staff, I still have a use for Regeneration, but I can't imagine how bad this must be for healers without templar spells.

Valykc · October 2016

Lmao 2 days ago this happened to me. I am trying to level up my MagNB for in the assault skill line for Proxy Det for PvE so I went into PVP and was passively healing and attacking groups of players. At one point we were sieging a keep and the enemy faction was counter sieging. Well this poor, little level 27 DK took a fire ballista right to the mouth and had no healing spells so I watched him run around on fire with his health slowly dropping. So because I converted from a Stam blade, my RESTO skill line was at like 5 at the time, I only grabbed mutagen out, mainly for me but to help others as well. So this level 27 is facing a certain and slow demise via burning to death and I was literally next to him spamming mutagen and watched it beam over to everyone around but him. Literally targeting players with full health while this DK ran around like a chicken with its head cut off. He then ignited and turned to ashes. I laughed for about 5 minutes over that lmao!

daedalusAI · October 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

It's hard for me to believe i like this game enough to support a company that has such a lack of communication on major issues. Guess i do though...

They are by far the absolute worst at communication and have no sense of urgency at all.

Oh boy are you in for a ride.
Ever browsed the alpha/beta forums in wow which had plenty of feedback and no communication leading to the current problems?
Or lotro as an almost dead game where the only thing being communicated is the main quest getting expanded while every feedback provided is ignored?

daedalusAI · October 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

They don't know how to fix it

Step 1 would be acknowledging it. They haven't even done that, yet.

Well acknowledging something like that after plenty of feedback provided would be a rather telling sign of their "capabilities".

On the bright side: you just have to waste like half your magicka pool to get regeneration on your 4-man party in dungeons.

jrgray93 · October 2016

Valykc wrote: »

Lmao 2 days ago this happened to me. I am trying to level up my MagNB for in the assault skill line for Proxy Det for PvE so I went into PVP and was passively healing and attacking groups of players. At one point we were sieging a keep and the enemy faction was counter sieging. Well this poor, little level 27 DK took a fire ballista right to the mouth and had no healing spells so I watched him run around on fire with his health slowly dropping. So because I converted from a Stam blade, my RESTO skill line was at like 5 at the time, I only grabbed mutagen out, mainly for me but to help others as well. So this level 27 is facing a certain and slow demise via burning to death and I was literally next to him spamming mutagen and watched it beam over to everyone around but him. Literally targeting players with full health while this DK ran around like a chicken with its head cut off. He then ignited and turned to ashes. I laughed for about 5 minutes over that lmao!

RIP Level 27 DK. You will be missed.

Silver_Strider · October 2016

WTB Old Mutagen.

Idk, I still keep it on my healbar just for solo but I've taken to Healing Spring spamming on top of my Funnel Health/Refreshing Path/Sap Essence stuff. Out of pure reflex do I hit Mutagen after Funnel Health and if it goes to people that need SPC refreshed, great. If not, I just spam funnel or Healing Springs and it gets the job done alright. Still miss my old HoT and forget combo that made NB healing ridiculously easy before.

daedalusAI · October 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

WTB Old Mutagen.

Idk, I still keep it on my healbar just for solo but I've taken to Healing Spring spamming on top of my Funnel Health/Refreshing Path/Sap Essence stuff. Out of pure reflex do I hit Mutagen after Funnel Health and if it goes to people that need SPC refreshed, great. If not, I just spam funnel or Healing Springs and it gets the job done alright. Still miss my old HoT and forget combo that made NB healing ridiculously easy before.

Regeneration is already pretty garbage in its inability to not target targets which already have it.
The only other spell which is even worse in targeting: templars reflective light. I almost have to hug a group of enemies for the ability to hit all 3 possible enemies.

ninjaguyman · October 2016

would be nice if it was changed so it would heal you AND(instead of OR) up to 2 allies. i use it on back bar just for the vma resto buff, and just an extra dot heal on my mNB... and for the life of me i cant get rapid regen to hit me when i need it to when there are multiple teammates around.

of course the targeting of allies still needs to be fixed.

herpnderpidus · October 2016

at this point it would be cool if they just made it work like vigor, make it put a heal over time on everyone in an area, no more smart targeting, maybe make it have a much bigger radius than vigor, its not even like that would be op, just make it have a target cap of like you + 3 people, would solve this issue outright

Gargath · October 2016

For me Mutagen works as intended. In dungeon - first use on 2 players, another use on the same player and this one who did not get it first time.

Another story I don't use much of it. If all 3 players are close to each other, I just spam Healing Springs multiple times.

daedalusAI · October 2016

Gargath wrote: »

For me Mutagen works as intended. In dungeon - first use on 2 players, another use on the same player and this one who did not get it first time.

Another story I don't use much of it. If all 3 players are close to each other, I just spam Healing Springs multiple times.

Doesn't really work for me that way: over 50% of all casts or even more I re-cast regen on myself even though I still have the hot active from a previous cast which means I waste mana and multiple cast just to apply regen to a 4man group.

jrgray93 · October 2016

Gargath wrote: »

For me Mutagen works as intended. In dungeon - first use on 2 players, another use on the same player and this one who did not get it first time.

Another story I don't use much of it. If all 3 players are close to each other, I just spam Healing Springs multiple times.

It works fine if nobody currently has the effect active. That means you can't maintain a 100% uptime but you can apply it if you let it wear off entirely first. It is not working as intended.

Reorx_Holybeard · October 2016

Has anyone run into problems with Regeneration targetting since today's patch (v2.6.7)? Are you able to replicate the issue?

I was having repeatable issues with it last week (would always target the same 2 players in a large group) but trying to test it just now and it seems to work as expected...multiple casts target different players without the buff until everyone in range has it then the same players get it until it wears off someone or someone new without the buff comes into range.

Just curious if they happened to fix it today (there is no mention of in the patch notes) or if the issue is intermittent and, if so, what are the steps needed to reproduce it.