edit: wops, misread the thread.

Simply to know which end is the ass-end. You stand on that side.

I'll stand in front of the raging, gaping maw of doom.

Please keep the damn aggro. Please coordinate warhorn rotation with the healer. Also, please keep the dang aggro!

I've tanked on my main char since I joined the game, 90% of the time with PuGs from zone chat and grouping tool. So I have a lot of experience about healer and DDs should, and most importantly, shouldn't do.
- don't die to avoidable, predictable mechanics (running into each other and overlapping red circles at Ash Titan in vet City of Ash); staying on the red and not blocking boss attacks that don't take aggro into account (ex. Vorenor Winterbourne in vet Spindleclutch)
- don't face tank that boss, don't stand in it's cone/circle attack - you don't have the HP, armor and blocking passive to survive it and it's my job anyway
- don't use pets beacause kite trash and/or block off the boss. I've been hit by heavy attack from bosses a number of times because the DDs were sorcs and had 1-2 pets summoned or they were using Maw the Infernal set, and the Daedroth/Twilight stood in front of the boss and couldn't see him charging.
- don't kite the trash at the end of the dungeon, far from tank and healer that's what kills you.
- don't drop ults on trash right before the boss, especially if I didn't have to group, root and debuff it; it's a waste
- specific Templar healers - use repentance on dead trash, it's free. Also throw shards from time to time. Don't abuse BoL, it wastes magicka - better use some HoT and healing wards from restoration staff.
- do some decent DPS. There's no excuse for those 5 minutes long fights and wipes at the Pelingares and their bats if you have CP 300+; I can and I did execute most bosses in dungeons because the others wiped and I couldn't res with full aggro but that's not my job and takes a lot of time.
- pay some attention about buffs and debuffs the others in the group run, especially the tank. It frees up your slots and allow for more DPS/Heal skills (ex. molten armaments lasts for almost 40s).
- pay attention to those ults especially the Warhorn - I always run it on my tank - when it sounds, nuke and don't sound your own.
- don't ever use flare or its morphs in Planar Inhibitor fight - it looks a lot like the portals when the screen turns grey; don't use Engine Guardian in Lord Warden fight - it gets sucked in portal and one of the group dies when he blows up.

Wollust wrote: »

Aggro, Chains, Warhorn, Debuffs and Buffs

You forgot: position the adds correctly, so i can DPS all of them simultaneously (if possible)

edit: we totally misunderstood the topic

Dont be opening up fights with your squishy MAXDPSWAAAA-build, then I have to run in, chase everything and taunt just to save ur ass

Liofa wrote: »

I saw some "what you expect from" threads lately . This is a thread tanks sharing what they want from their group . Also a thread for sharing opinions between tanks about this topic .

Don't drop ultimates until tank makes boss stand still . Tank will kick you from group if you pull before he does or if you die because you stand in front of boss . Tank doesn't care about your DPS race between each other . Tank wants you to survive . Listen to tank . TANK SEES ALL THE MISTAKES YOU DO . Don't *** tank off .

Please dont ask to swap to tank on Velidreth because i missed a dodge on the spike on the third phase. then proceed to wipe fifteen times then rage quit. FYI we beat it first pull after you left. You know who you are lol

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Please dont ask to swap to tank on Velidreth because i missed a dodge on the spike on the third phase. then proceed to wipe fifteen times then rage quit. FYI we beat it first pull after you left. You know who you are lol

Actually Velidreth is one of the few bosses that needs a full time, experienced tank. I find it extremely annoying and I have been one-shotted a number of times despite being warded, shielded, standing on circle of protection and blocking. The only way to survive there is to constantly roll from statue AoE, and pop magma shell as soon as ultimate is full (if it doesn't eat it). I've found it very hard to find groups that can do the bosses in the new dungeons on hard mode - i did them both with an experienced group in the first couple of days after the DLC release but I couldn't find others since and had to settle for one gold key

Just to know your role and behave accordingly.

no stupid bravery
no standing on red areas
be in a movement
be ready to block
be ready to rolldodge
no spamming light attacks (bow)
learn how to manage your resources
invest into proper gears (set)
mind that it's the tank who starts the fight, not you
unlock early and use aoe abilities
stay away from boss
prefer range healing
don't place your storm atronach directly on the boss or tank - he hardly see when to block.

What a tank should expect of others:
1. Doing DPS
2. Keeping the tank alive
3. Avoiding red and knowing mechanics
4. Clearing out adds
5. Good positioning

What I expect of tanks:
1. Keep aggro. It's not cool if anyone dies from boss changing targets (unless he breaks taunt)
2. Know mechanics very well. As the tank, you're up and close to the boss, so you need to have everything down.
3. Don't die to stupid stuff.
4. Coordinate with healer for buffs for the DPS (IE: Warhorn)
5. Contribute DPS if possible.

As a tank:
Do more dps than me.
Dont stand in stupid.
Keep everyone alive and buffed.

From a tank:
Taunting and proper positioning + group buffs (warhorn, some kind of support set like Ebon or Alcosh, etc)..

I love threads like this. Although it's a game and it's all for fun information like this is helpful for working as a team and getting the job done. Thanks.

As a tank, I expect the dps and healer to stay vertical and for mobs to transition to horizontal at a reasonable rate.

Omg just play the stupid game already play your class and don't get rekt!!!!!

Well, the thread title is "What you expect from your group members as tank ?". I understood that I'm the tank and I have to say what I expect the other members in my group to do. If it were about the role of the tank I would have asked something like "What do you expect from the tank in your group ?". For this question the answer is:

- get and keep aggro on bosses and the more dangerous mobs from trash group
- point boss and more dangerous mobs away from the other group members, interrupt or at least block his attacks when they are not interruptible
- don't die doing it, by stacking resistance from both gear and skills major/minor resolve/ward (spiked armor, immovable, rune focus), block mitigation (defensive stance) minor/major protection (cricle of protection, restoring focus), shields (blazing/ingenous/bone) and avoiding/blocking attacks and other mechanics
- pull together and CC mobs that are susceptible to such effects for the DDs to AoE - some can't be CCd and pulled with chains but the damage debuff from choking talons morph still applies; bosses and mobs that can't be chained still get a short duration aggro if they are hit.
- if they can't be completely rooted because tank is neither DK nor sorc it's still helpful to slow them down with caltrops
- apply damage debuff minor maim (ex. heroic slash) and resistance debuff major/minor fracture/breach (ex. pierce armor, noxious breath), poison/glyphs that reduce resistance on weapon
- self sustain to a degree all 4 resource pools (ultimate is a resource pool too, especially important for DK) trough gear, passives and CPs that help regeneration (ex. Atronach or Serpent mundus stones, CPs invested in Tower and Lover, Seducer/Tava's/Willows crafted sets, endurance/amberplasm/Bloodspawn/Malubeth dropped sets etc.)
- buff group damage (ingenous weapons, aggressive warhorn) and protection (ingenous shield, magma shell, barrier, bone shield)
- keep DoTs on mobs and bosses for more reliable aggro and some DPS
- be able to switch to full DD for some fights where a normal tank is useless or even a drag (Planar Inhibitor, Engine Guardian) or have a DD bar for most trash fights
- resurrect fallen group members - I'm not sure about this, but in PuGs I end up doing 60%+ resurrects