Tower Farming is really annoying

Mutagem · August 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Why must I waste my time with you...but hey I'll prove you wrong

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

lol I didn't even know Rylana posted in here, Funny how in the Azuras Star thread you got out debated and shut up then you spout the same nonsensical garbage here? Go continue it in that thread if you wanna bring it up

Correction - I never "shut up" i lost interest in your sidebars and offtopic banter.

Notice how here in this very post you dont address the fact youre complaining about tower farms literally 1 hour after GoS (one day only reunion) busted you out of a tower farm with 40+ ad in it.

I am calling you a hypocrite. Address that.

You didn't respond to it = you shutting up about it. This was my last post where I was directly responding to you

Mutagem wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

I'm honestly sick of the whole "AD Zergs waa" argument. Every faction zergs at one point or another. Red did several times at BRK when they had emp

At no time were you ever outnumbered. Think about that.

Once you realize how ludicrous it is to say EP was zerging at last emp keep with maybe 20-30 total people, when youre attacking it with over 60, you might get why I teabag you every time you die.

You teabag me every time I die because you're a knob lol

Actually it wasn't but keep telling yourself that. Also lol @ BRK tonight you guys don't zerg though right? It only took both you and DC attacking it the first time and failing giving us a 15k defense tick then hammering 4 walls down afterward including a door to take it...but yep you guys don't zerg lol There wasn't 40-60 EP there nope lolol

Then Caza your worshipper continued the argument in which he stopped responding as well. You posted patricks video and then stopped responding to me. = losing the debate then continuing it in here wasting my time further.

Also What GoS thing are you talking about? We attacked Alessia failed, then fell back to a resource and died in the tower after the first wave of EP came in lol hardly tower farming, every time a faction fails to get a keep they fall back to the resource. Get a life, Why don't you go cry on the AD or DC zone chat like you usually do.

Edit: This whole thing also came up because you said EP never zergs lol You even admit to it after one BRK battle that they do zerg when my original statement was that all factions zerg at one point or another.

EP on Azuras does not have the numbers to zerg, period.

Your claim that they somehow did? Sure, the most EP I have seen on azuras turned out for Patrick Scotts last emp keep, and they were still outnumbered by AD (you had over 70, possibly closer to 100, if I am dead honest). You realize 40 EP in any one spot has occurred exactly one time in a month on Azuras? Once (during pats last hour as emp). And about half of those guys came as a one time favor to Patrick, they havent been on Azuras since. Yet routinely you, Mutagem, are in zergs on the daily, multiple times, of even more than that.

Again, EP does not zerg. You do.

Are you done making a fool of yourself?

You still havent addressed being present in the BRK mine incident the night before last where over 40 AD were stacking in that tower trying to "farm" a dozen EP pugs until we obliterated you out of it with just 10 guys + those pugs.

It never ceases to amaze me, really, how the AD faction will bring their entire population to a fight, and the moment they see even a handful of EP will run into the tower and put a camp on top of it.

Yet here you are, a representative of the literal zerg itself, the discombobulated yellow sea that is AD, camps and all, bitching about a few guys sitting in a tower against you. Really?

Rylana wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

I'd like to to thank the 70 AD at BRK today for proving that EP really do zerg the most.

I am the zerg.

Your words not mine lol

Uhhh that entire time you do realize we were actually sieging as well or attempting to then you would wipe us then we would fall back to the resource...as stated with what generally happens everytime a failed keep attempt occurs.

The whole point of this post is to vent about people that cap a resource, don't siege the keep and sit in there waiting for people to take the bait. I've never done that once it was always when I've fallen back to resources after failed keep attack attempts.

It really sucks that I have to deal with the own toxicity of my own factions zone chats then also deal with your vendetta agianst me from Haderus days last year

But I am done with you for good now. Welcome to ignore

Rylana · August 2016

Mutagem wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Why must I waste my time with you...but hey I'll prove you wrong

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

lol I didn't even know Rylana posted in here, Funny how in the Azuras Star thread you got out debated and shut up then you spout the same nonsensical garbage here? Go continue it in that thread if you wanna bring it up

Correction - I never "shut up" i lost interest in your sidebars and offtopic banter.

Notice how here in this very post you dont address the fact youre complaining about tower farms literally 1 hour after GoS (one day only reunion) busted you out of a tower farm with 40+ ad in it.

I am calling you a hypocrite. Address that.

You didn't respond to it = you shutting up about it. This was my last post where I was directly responding to you

Mutagem wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

I'm honestly sick of the whole "AD Zergs waa" argument. Every faction zergs at one point or another. Red did several times at BRK when they had emp

At no time were you ever outnumbered. Think about that.

Once you realize how ludicrous it is to say EP was zerging at last emp keep with maybe 20-30 total people, when youre attacking it with over 60, you might get why I teabag you every time you die.

You teabag me every time I die because you're a knob lol

Actually it wasn't but keep telling yourself that. Also lol @ BRK tonight you guys don't zerg though right? It only took both you and DC attacking it the first time and failing giving us a 15k defense tick then hammering 4 walls down afterward including a door to take it...but yep you guys don't zerg lol There wasn't 40-60 EP there nope lolol

Then Caza your worshipper continued the argument in which he stopped responding as well. You posted patricks video and then stopped responding to me. = losing the debate then continuing it in here wasting my time further.

Also What GoS thing are you talking about? We attacked Alessia failed, then fell back to a resource and died in the tower after the first wave of EP came in lol hardly tower farming, every time a faction fails to get a keep they fall back to the resource. Get a life, Why don't you go cry on the AD or DC zone chat like you usually do.

Edit: This whole thing also came up because you said EP never zergs lol You even admit to it after one BRK battle that they do zerg when my original statement was that all factions zerg at one point or another.

EP on Azuras does not have the numbers to zerg, period.

Your claim that they somehow did? Sure, the most EP I have seen on azuras turned out for Patrick Scotts last emp keep, and they were still outnumbered by AD (you had over 70, possibly closer to 100, if I am dead honest). You realize 40 EP in any one spot has occurred exactly one time in a month on Azuras? Once (during pats last hour as emp). And about half of those guys came as a one time favor to Patrick, they havent been on Azuras since. Yet routinely you, Mutagem, are in zergs on the daily, multiple times, of even more than that.

Again, EP does not zerg. You do.

Are you done making a fool of yourself?

You still havent addressed being present in the BRK mine incident the night before last where over 40 AD were stacking in that tower trying to "farm" a dozen EP pugs until we obliterated you out of it with just 10 guys + those pugs.

It never ceases to amaze me, really, how the AD faction will bring their entire population to a fight, and the moment they see even a handful of EP will run into the tower and put a camp on top of it.

Yet here you are, a representative of the literal zerg itself, the discombobulated yellow sea that is AD, camps and all, bitching about a few guys sitting in a tower against you. Really?

Rylana wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

I'd like to to thank the 70 AD at BRK today for proving that EP really do zerg the most.

I am the zerg.

Your words not mine lol

Uhhh that entire time you do realize we were actually sieging as well or attempting to then you would wipe us then we would fall back to the resource...as stated with what generally happens everytime a failed keep attempt occurs.

The whole point of this post is to vent about people that cap a resource, don't siege the keep and sit in there waiting for people to take the bait. I've never done that once it was always when I've fallen back to resources after failed keep attack attempts.

It really sucks that I have to deal with the own toxicity of my own factions zone chats then also deal with your vendetta agianst me from Haderus days last year

But I am done with you for good now. Welcome to ignore

You really dont get the sarcasm of me saying "I am the Zerg" do you? I get accused of it almost daily, and whats funny about it is the origin of the phrase.

I killed five guys solo outside of nikel way back in the day (flapflap vs bowtard blues = i win), and one of them said I had zerged them down. The phrase has stuck ever since. I dont say it because I zerg or am part of one, I say it because I alone am a zerg, according to some.

Also, I dont even remember you from Haderus, this whole tangent you always go on amuses me, because at no time do i even recall you from there. Must be a different name? I dunno. In any case, it seems I have won the debate and you have surrendered via ignore. I accept your surrender.

Satiar · August 2016

Can't believe y'all whining about being tower farmed. It's not like TKO or CN is stacking 50+ in towers anymore, Unless there's really just no good players around to deal with it now I don't see why it's a problem--and if that is the case then starve them out.

raasdal · August 2016

What? I love those. My stamsorc will just pop a immov pot, go in, streak to stairs, dodgeroll and run upstairs for some sweet 1vX moments. And if i die, i can just rez and redo.

cbaudersub17_ESO · August 2016

Zero to 'you zerg, we don't' de-rail pretty fast. Not sure why any side denies that their faction does it. I guess I am more surprised that the rabbit hole of ‘your faction tower farms, our doesn’t’ wasn’t entered.

To the OP, it is a fact of our war. Plain and simple...; however, it is particularly annoying when it seemingly happens non-stop during a playing session, particularly when the map reflects that a prevention or overthrowing of an emp has greater importance and done by my situational proxy friend (enemy of my enemy). Just as annoying is when several of us want to rain stoney hell down on that tower and can’t get our own faction off the flag…and not for the lack of trying. <shrugs>

To cast a positive light on the phenomenon, it’s pretty satisfying to break up the farm attempt before it gets off the ground or provides an easy blood port opportunity to stage the next move.

GrigorijMalahevich · August 2016

Get 1 sorc with Suppression Field ult, drink immovable potion, shield up and get in and cast the ult... It will dispel all mines and silence everyone inside (at least before they CC break) and immediately jump in with everyone that is outside. If in that scenario you still can't win, then guys inside don't even have to tower camp

If sorc has no ultimate points, just get to the door and cast heals...

HeroOfNone · August 2016

Expecting folks not fo take the flag or go in? Not going to happen. Look at the @ names of your enemy groups and then look at some of the @ names of those flipping the flag. In many instances you'll find at least one, assuring a smooth farm goes through. They'll even bolster entering the tower for their group's benefit.

You want to fix the tower farm then maybe ZOS needs to step in with a few solutions:

- Port out a certain number of players when a resource is flipped, to prevent large groups camping inside.
- Give spawn protection/ CC immunity for a second when entering your tower
- Create multiple entry ways into a tower, eliminate the choke point
- Prevent siege from being placed in an enemy tower, or increase its rate of decay.
- Allow factions to destroy their own towers, or at the very least the door
- reduce the AP gain from a repeatedly flipped resource.

Any one of these solutions would reduce tower farming, if not eliminate it. I'd recommend multiple entry points, a high rate of decay for enemy siege, aND reduced AP for recently flipped towers .

I think removing/reducing tower farming is in ZOS's best interest. It is a cause for lag, slows down the flow of AP, creates a toxic environment between ally and foe, and let's folks gain AP quickly to game emperorship.

heystreethawk · August 2016

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Expecting folks not fo take the flag or go in? Not going to happen. Look at the @ names of your enemy groups and then look at some of the @ names of those flipping the flag. In many instances you'll find at least one, assuring a smooth farm goes through. They'll even bolster entering the tower for their group's benefit.

You are suggesting that people have members of their group log onto alts of a different faction to flip a resource flag and facilitate farming?

That would be so much more trouble than it's worth; then again, I've always been of the opinion that sieging down a tower is so much more trouble than it's worth. Yes, a swarm of ungrouped players or an inexperienced pickup group is going to have a bad time getting a coordinated group out of a tower. But we shouldn't radically rebalance PvP mechanics just to make things easier for inexperienced players (although we do). A coordinated group going into the tower can plan their negate and their damage dump, at which point the only imbalance is the fact that the doors in this game have only ever had a 50% success rate, approximately, when you try to frickin' open them.

That is literally the only unjust mechanic I can fathom, with regard to a tower farm. Everything else is a matter of experience and coordination, which are two attributes that should always have the upper hand over their opposites, and the inherent advantage of a defensive position, which also seems reasonable.

KenaPKK · August 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

LOL I'm busting out laughing in the middle of a doctor's office waiting room, thanks for the awkward moment.

This is exactly what a tower farm looks like from the outside.

HeroOfNone · August 2016

heystreethawk wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Expecting folks not fo take the flag or go in? Not going to happen. Look at the @ names of your enemy groups and then look at some of the @ names of those flipping the flag. In many instances you'll find at least one, assuring a smooth farm goes through. They'll even bolster entering the tower for their group's benefit.

You are suggesting that people have members of their group log onto alts of a different faction to flip a resource flag and facilitate farming?

That would be so much more trouble than it's worth; then again, I've always been of the opinion that sieging down a tower is so much more trouble than it's worth. Yes, a swarm of ungrouped players or an inexperienced pickup group is going to have a bad time getting a coordinated group out of a tower. But we shouldn't radically rebalance PvP mechanics just to make things easier for inexperienced players (although we do). A coordinated group going into the tower can plan their negate and their damage dump, at which point the only imbalance is the fact that the doors in this game have only ever had a 50% success rate, approximately, when you try to frickin' open them.

That is literally the only unjust mechanic I can fathom, with regard to a tower farm. Everything else is a matter of experience and coordination, which are two attributes that should always have the upper hand over their opposites, and the inherent advantage of a defensive position, which also seems reasonable.

You can look at the names and judge for yourself, since I can't name & shame anyone. I would take more screenshots if I could. It's not on every small fight though, mainly the larger ones with at least one organized group.

Even without the helpful push, it just takes 1 to 2 random players to flip it. Not much you can plan or do except plan to burn them and hope they don't profit too much to continue.

zyk · August 2016

What bugs me about tower combat is that it's so... meh.

I wish ZOS would recognize it's a big part of the game and create more diversity for resource combat. At the very least, give us a greater variety of tower layouts to make it more interesting.

Minno · August 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

Acurare depiction of Jabs Templars/dual weld stam DPS.

God_flakes · August 2016

emma666 wrote: »

Alot of things are annoying in this game... Alot of those things are unavoidable, like bugs, crashes, lag, getting zerged down by Mutagem and the rest of the AD Azura zerg... Getting tower farmed is completely and utterly avoidable and it won't annoy you in the slightest if you avoid going to a tower farm, these kind of threads are the reason the game is in the state it is - People who get farmed whining about things because they don't want to get better or use common sense to avoid certain PVP aspects that they don't find enjoyable. If anything, towers and resources gives small groups a small advantage against mindless zergs, and everyone knows mindless zergs has the advantage at almost every other scenario in PvP because of AoE caps, Wrobels failure and whiny threads like these. I am triggered.

You've got a lot of nerve whining about zergs. Ep and specifically your pals, invented the cancer of zerging on TB.

KenaPKK · August 2016

Valera Progib wrote: »

Get 1 sorc with Suppression Field ult, drink immovable potion, shield up and get in and cast the ult... It will dispel all mines and silence everyone inside (at least before they CC break) and immediately jump in with everyone that is outside. If in that scenario you still can't win, then guys inside don't even have to tower camp

If sorc has no ultimate points, just get to the door and cast heals...

You can't break free from Negate silence or heal through LoS anymore.

Edit: Thank God.

Mutagem · August 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

Alot of things are annoying in this game... Alot of those things are unavoidable, like bugs, crashes, lag, getting zerged down by Mutagem and the rest of the AD Azura zerg... Getting tower farmed is completely and utterly avoidable and it won't annoy you in the slightest if you avoid going to a tower farm, these kind of threads are the reason the game is in the state it is - People who get farmed whining about things because they don't want to get better or use common sense to avoid certain PVP aspects that they don't find enjoyable. If anything, towers and resources gives small groups a small advantage against mindless zergs, and everyone knows mindless zergs has the advantage at almost every other scenario in PvP because of AoE caps, Wrobels failure and whiny threads like these. I am triggered.

You've got a lot of nerve whining about zergs. Ep and specifically your pals, invented the cancer of zerging on TB.

lol also how am I whining? Ranting yes, but whining? I posted like 2 lines lol if I was whining I'd be writing an essay on the original post and the responding 2nd post.

but whoa now God Flake if you check the Azura's star thread they claim they never zerg...EP never does that

The-Baconator · August 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

Get 1 sorc with Suppression Field ult, drink immovable potion, shield up and get in and cast the ult... It will dispel all mines and silence everyone inside (at least before they CC break) and immediately jump in with everyone that is outside. If in that scenario you still can't win, then guys inside don't even have to tower camp

If sorc has no ultimate points, just get to the door and cast heals...

You can't break free from Negate silence or heal through LoS anymore.

Edit: Thank God.

Healing springs and remembrance can still go through doors.

God_flakes · August 2016

Mutagem wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

Alot of things are annoying in this game... Alot of those things are unavoidable, like bugs, crashes, lag, getting zerged down by Mutagem and the rest of the AD Azura zerg... Getting tower farmed is completely and utterly avoidable and it won't annoy you in the slightest if you avoid going to a tower farm, these kind of threads are the reason the game is in the state it is - People who get farmed whining about things because they don't want to get better or use common sense to avoid certain PVP aspects that they don't find enjoyable. If anything, towers and resources gives small groups a small advantage against mindless zergs, and everyone knows mindless zergs has the advantage at almost every other scenario in PvP because of AoE caps, Wrobels failure and whiny threads like these. I am triggered.

You've got a lot of nerve whining about zergs. Ep and specifically your pals, invented the cancer of zerging on TB.

lol also how am I whining? Ranting yes, but whining? I posted like 2 lines lol if I was whining I'd be writing an essay on the original post and the responding 2nd post.

but whoa now God Flake if you check the Azura's star thread they claim they never zerg...EP never does that

Not you, Mutagem.

Mutagem · August 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

Alot of things are annoying in this game... Alot of those things are unavoidable, like bugs, crashes, lag, getting zerged down by Mutagem and the rest of the AD Azura zerg... Getting tower farmed is completely and utterly avoidable and it won't annoy you in the slightest if you avoid going to a tower farm, these kind of threads are the reason the game is in the state it is - People who get farmed whining about things because they don't want to get better or use common sense to avoid certain PVP aspects that they don't find enjoyable. If anything, towers and resources gives small groups a small advantage against mindless zergs, and everyone knows mindless zergs has the advantage at almost every other scenario in PvP because of AoE caps, Wrobels failure and whiny threads like these. I am triggered.

You've got a lot of nerve whining about zergs. Ep and specifically your pals, invented the cancer of zerging on TB.

lol also how am I whining? Ranting yes, but whining? I posted like 2 lines lol if I was whining I'd be writing an essay on the original post and the responding 2nd post.

but whoa now God Flake if you check the Azura's star thread they claim they never zerg...EP never does that

Not you, Mutagem.

Sorry I was addressing Emma but for some reason wasn't thinking to directly quote them and quoted you...lol

Lokey0024 · August 2016

Leave them alone, they regroup and flag the keep.

Attack them thru the doorway of death. Results expected.

Knock down the tower? Not if you have zerglings with you.

Im tellin you, a towet Magistrate (City guard) spawns in the tower after 5 minutes and wrecks everyone not in the alliance that owns the resource. Same with keeps, but can kite them kinda like banner bosses in IC.

KenaPKK · August 2016

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Leave them alone, they regroup and flag the keep.

Attack them thru the doorway of death. Results expected.

Knock down the tower? Not if you have zerglings with you.

Im tellin you, a towet Magistrate (City guard) spawns in the tower after 5 minutes and wrecks everyone not in the alliance that owns the resource. Same with keeps, but can kite them kinda like banner bosses in IC.

No more PvE in my PvP thank you. Also I fail to see the issue with your first statement. Sounds like you achieve your goal of ending the tower farm to me.