Healer trying to dps too much

Acharnor · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Acharnor wrote: »

A good healer adjusts their game accordingly - sometimes you F it up like I did. Was just a reminder to me to pay attn. I do hate being ordered about though. Makes me want to take my resto staff and go home.

I just wish there were targeted heals in this game. It can be hard to just let one annoying person die.

LOL - There have been a couple of times I might have been tempted to do that . . .

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · August 2016

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What do you do when your healer is running out of magicka because they are dpsing too much and often late on heals. There was one instance where the templar completely stopped healing once the boss hit 30% and radiant destruction on the boss while the tank and dps all died from damage. Also the templar doesn't use shards and doesn't use repentance.... what is one to do?

You should not just melt cause your healers is not healing if Tank has aggro and DPS has the standard three DoTs and an execute going you should have been fine.

Had ran an Trail where after you split one side had two healers and the tank leaving six stamima DPS we had no problems we all had self heals and everyone had Vigor. People need to learn their roles.

Tanks holds big hitters not every damn thing that can damage you. Tank faces the boss and its cone attacks away from the group. Has a build that doesn't require a damn Templar to feed you stamima. Heavy attacks between taunts for stamina returns.

DPS kills everything, keeps a self heal down at all times and Rez when needed, stop hitting whatever you are hit to kill whatever is killing the healer. Use this thing called a fully charged heavy attack if you are low on resources. Miss chance is your friend use it like your friends use you. DO NOT STAND IN RED FOR THE LOVE OF SITHIS!!

Healers... Heal have two HoTs down 24/7. Heal everyone to 100% have a few Healing Springs down with two HoTs before you drop any DPS. Pop a Ward Ally when you start and stop your DPS. Lay down damage reduction powers and Ultimates if it does damage all the better.

Never let the healer be the only one healing you. If you don't have self it's your fault you have ten slots the are not all for damage and buffs.
Never DPS when the tank or healer falls you wipe without them. Stop replying on a Templar in the group for your stamina you if you can't recover resources you're the problem in the group of your whole group needs stamina your group is the problem.

Jimboo84 · August 2016

Taternater wrote: »

Run the same direction the enemy is running.

This one made me laugh.

idk · August 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sounds like it's time for you to roll a healer. Then you can slot the skills you want others to for you. Everyone has skills that will heal them in this game through class or weapon morphs. Whether they choose to take those skills or not is on them.

From a healers perspective, I toss up HoT heals and then DPS to help the group as healers ARE expected to DPS also. If they are only healing, other players will get upset that they aren't DPS'ing.

The bottom line is everyone needs to help the group. Everyone should have a heal ability or potion that they can pop at times and not rely on one player who's expected to heal/dps/debuff/buff etc. Everything that a DPS does can help a healer. When a player is standing in red and refusing to move because it will lower their DPS, they shouldn't blame the healer if they die.....

I'm not saying that's what happened with your group, but it is pretty typical of some of the dungeon runs I have been on.

This is not correct. Maybe with more causal groups or if one is pugging but not in general.

On my magika Templar I do not have BoL when I'm doing dps and onky get a self heal when I'm attacking which some fights require moving away so it's not a reliable heal. And no heal during execute phase.

In my magika NB only skill on my bar that heals is an aoe and it does a very very small heal if there are no targets to damage so not very useful with single target fights. It's also removed from my bar for some fights.

Heck, before vigor I could not even think of self healing on a stam character. Odd how that works.

ScooberSteve · August 2016

Let them solo the boss

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Sounds like it's time for you to roll a healer. Then you can slot the skills you want others to for you. Everyone has skills that will heal them in this game through class or weapon morphs. Whether they choose to take those skills or not is on them.

From a healers perspective, I toss up HoT heals and then DPS to help the group as healers ARE expected to DPS also. If they are only healing, other players will get upset that they aren't DPS'ing.

The bottom line is everyone needs to help the group. Everyone should have a heal ability or potion that they can pop at times and not rely on one player who's expected to heal/dps/debuff/buff etc. Everything that a DPS does can help a healer. When a player is standing in red and refusing to move because it will lower their DPS, they shouldn't blame the healer if they die.....

I'm not saying that's what happened with your group, but it is pretty typical of some of the dungeon runs I have been on.

This is not correct. Maybe with more causal groups or if one is pugging but not in general.

On my magika Templar I do not have BoL when I'm doing dps and onky get a self heal when I'm attacking which some fights require moving away so it's not a reliable heal. And no heal during execute phase.

In my magika NB only skill on my bar that heals is an aoe and it does a very very small heal if there are no targets to damage so not very useful with single target fights. It's also removed from my bar for some fights.

Heck, before vigor I could not even think of self healing on a stam character. Odd how that works.

Actually sounded right to me. Maybe you missed the 'if they choose to use them'

Daishichi · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I just wish there were targeted heals in this game. It can be hard to just let one annoying person die.

This is why I use Blessing of Restoration: it's directional. Awesome for staying focused on keeping the tank alive, but also handy when I realize one of my DPSers don't know how to block, dodge or look at the effing ground.

Brittany_Joy · August 2016

Acharnor wrote: »

I was guilty of this last night and we wiped b/c I was not paying attention. I was very embarassed and apologised profusely. I was with a group doing much less damage than I was used to. We rezzed, I focused on healing and let the group take their time wearing the boss down. No more deaths. A hard earned lesson!

Sometimes people do less DPS when they're dead, jus sayin.

Balticthunder · August 2016

I role full Templar healer, I have 1 damage skill on my skill board, but I do damage only when I see the group is holding fine without heals and I have free time.
But mostly what I see is dps never taking care for ads if not told before battle, dps rarely uses aeo and rarely ress me when I'm down due to taking care for adds. In most cases tank and dps are so busy to take down that boss to be able to look around. It's pugs of course, but in the end I love to run with pugs, because it is challenging and you never know how it will be with next pug. But when hard dungeon is done , its that feeling of accomplishment, like , yeah , we did it!

RoyalPink06 · August 2016

I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Some say you should always DPS even though you're a healer. Some say you should only heal. The key is to learn to read the situation and play accordingly, I think.

Personally I always ask at the beginning what the group would like from me, and I try that approach first. Usually I focus on strictly healing and utilities (shards and repentance), and if the group is doing well enough and not getting nuked by the boss (or trash mobs, in which case you have a real problem), then I will throw down some DPS. Also depends on how I am doing with resource management. I will RD in execution phase but my eyes do not leave the group's health bars and I block cancel if it gets too hairy.

I think in general, healing involves keeping track of a lot of different things all at once, and maybe your guy was just having trouble keeping up. But on the other hand, a Templar healer who doesn't at least use the basic shards or repentance is questionable. Better luck next time.

Every new group is a learning curve though and sometimes one or two wipes is inevitable. It is what it is

Aeaeren · August 2016

Totalitarian wrote: »

However, now I must bring up some questions for you: did your group stand in red constantly? Did your group run away from the healer (not the healer running away from you)? Because those could be reasons for dying and late heals. I hate seeing group members die during Lord Warden Dusk because they're on the other side of the arena and I can't heal them, so distance can be a real cause of slow heals/deaths.

I slot resto and healing ward on my sorc because yup I am guilty of not being in range sometimes, also if he needs help I can switch and toss out some wards until everything is back under control.

DPG76 · August 2016

maybe the dps was a bit low

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

Ive played all 3 roles in dungeon and as a tank and stam dps, I don't even need shards/rep to sustain, sure they would help but definitely not necessary.

From healer point of view, if I run with pugs with low dps that stand in red, i won't even bother healing them and just do my own dps to burn the boss down. If I know with good players who know what they're doing, I rarely need to heal them anyway so I get to dps the boss down as well.

I actually don't like healers that dont dps in dungeons, for example 2nd boss vicp, with only 1 templar (healer) in group, as a healer you should be executing the boss and stop healing so boss can be burned down without waiting through the last phase. Saves time and also you won't get overwhelmed by atros.

Avenias · August 2016

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What do you do when the healer has 3k spell damage and 1200 regen because he is more concerned about dpsing and doesn't have room on his bar for shards to help the tank? I get it Off dpsing is great and does help, but there is a fine line and I'm trying to figure out how to adjust.

In BWB pvp campaign (NA PC non vet campaign), i run with about 4.3k magicka regen spamming breath of life. Sometimes its quite funny to watch enemy players come really close to killing an ally, when i show up and spam healing ward and breath of life on them. They just go *** this guy, im out of here! I use the templar cleanse to get the 30% heal buff then spam the living hell out of heals. When i pop the magicka pot, my magicka regen goes close to 5k.

kargen27 · August 2016

ZinnathPS4 wrote: »

What about the lack of shards and repentance, typically if your dps is going for maximum damage you don't want your dps slotting heals and hots to stay alive.

If you need shards be sure to let the healer know before going into the fight. Some healers assume if you don't ask you do not need. Also for some reason there are those who think repentance is something to be used after a mob fight. If they are not using it during the fight you can politely ask them to do so.

Usually I put out a lot of shards if the DPS is hitting hard. I use them to stun archers and healers if the tank doesn't get them all drawn in for AoE. I will also try to keep one in front of the tank just in case he needs. If things start looking like they might get ugly and my magicka is getting close to 50% I back off the shards some. Repentance I try to use any time four evil doers fall near me, but only if everybody is good on health. Only time I really worry about adding to DPS other than what the shards provide is if we are doing a speed run or the tank is just a beast and doesn't need my constant attention. I figure the DPS are there to kill things let them do it. I do know though some bosses have a time mechanic on them and will as I can help on them. Mostly though I want every run to be a clean run and I blame me when that doesn't happen so healing comes way before getting things done quick.

While we are on the subject of things that can be irritating the quickest way to irritate a healer is by standing behind them. Get in front of the healer and trust that he/she will keep you alive. Move out of the red by going to one side or the other if you can. Running behind the healer is just a quicker way to die.

You can also chap a healer by having the two DPS fight different mobs on opposite sides of the room or boss. If you can stay near enough the tank that healing springs can reach you when cast on him. If a mob gets to far away attack it as a team. Much easier on the healers resources if the group is close together.

And standing in fire...we don't like when you do that unless you are the tank and it keeps the fire off everybody else.

Bouldercleave · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I often fall asleep while healing. No one in the group ever thinks it is as funny as i do.

Anywho you cant really blame them. Ive seen tons of post o these forums saying if you arent also dpsing as a healer you suck. So healers dps. Which has always been funny to me since in like 90% of the dungeons 2 dps doing decent dps kill a boss very fast.

But whatever. It isnt enough you keep them alive you need to carry them to the finish line as dps as well.

One of the main reasons I no longer care for group content or grouping in general.

When I'm on my healer, I heal. My DPS is going to suck, but you will not die (unless something crazy happens). Don't chide me for not DPSing - it's not my job.

FortheloveofKrist · August 2016

Exactly why I rarely do dungeons...

Why aren't you a dedicated healer?
Why aren't you helping DPS?
Why ARE you helping DPS?
Why did you let me die?
Why did you die?
Why don't you have the right abilities slotted?
Why don't you have the right morphs?

I believe this is a L2STFU issue.

Avenias · August 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Exactly why I rarely do dungeons...

Why aren't you a dedicated healer?
Why aren't you helping DPS?
Why ARE you helping DPS?
Why did you let me die?
Why did you die?
Why don't you have the right abilities slotted?
Why don't you have the right morphs?

I believe this is a L2STFU issue.

Lol i like that term.

Bouldercleave · August 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Exactly why I rarely do dungeons...

Why aren't you a dedicated healer?
Why aren't you helping DPS?
Why ARE you helping DPS?
Why did you let me die?
Why did you die?
Why don't you have the right abilities slotted?
Why don't you have the right morphs?

I believe this is a L2STFU issue.

You and I don't agree on a lot of things, but today everything has changed...

redspecter23 · August 2016

If a tank is melting away due to lack of healing, I'd question how good the tank is at his job. It's dependent on content of course, but there is no reason a tank can't mitigate enough damage to survive for quite some time without heals in most standard dungeons and many vet dungeons.

The dps also need to think quickly when a healer runs out of resources or falls in battle. DPS that have no survivability when the healer goes down in addition to having a squishy tank could be the problem here as well. To me it sounds like a combination of poor heals as well as squishy dps and a tank that can't sustain himself for the final 30% of the boss fight. Putting all the blame on the healer in this situation seems like a bit of a cop out. I wasn't there myself so I'm only going by what was said so far.

Mojmir · August 2016

That's a first,usually it's asking the healer to add dps. Most of my group heals themselves fine.

SirDopey · August 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, i'm one of those healers

Only on easy dungeons woth guildies though.

I heal on my NB sometimes so don't have shards or repentance.

Thing is, on some thought fight, RD spam is worth it even if it a dps dies. It's too strong not to want it on the boss.

Have to disagree here, if you're running with two average to good DPS they should each be hitting 20k dps on this stage, without using RD healer can be contributing up to 10k - not many healers are going to be running around with the setup needed to achieve 50k RD ticks....

AzraelKrieg · August 2016

My healing style is set some HoTs, deal damage, repeat. My healing bar is Rapid Regen, Purifying Light, Combat Prayer, Purifying Ritual and Quick Siphon. Set down all of that, swap to my Destro Staff and help out on the DPS and recover magicka at the same time. No need for BoL spamming since the groups I run with don't really need me to do so. Only time I need a good burst heal is on the boss in vFG and that's when I use Remembrance.