Harsh, I know, but I'm not overly concerned about a tiny minority of people who enjoy end game group content but refuse to buy dlc's.

You should be concerned, I'd wager it's quite an easy bet that the majority of ESO's players are not ESO+ holders at any rate... whether or not they buy DLC is whole other basket of worms, but I'm sure there's plenty of players who enjoy the base game just fine.

I mean, pre-Hist the ICP/WGT Pledge days were a ghost town even after they were nerfed and I knew plenty of people who didn't do them because they didn't own the dungeons to begin with. I think it's unlikely to cast them off as "a tiny minority".

I haven't personally been online every single day to confirm, but the UESP wiki (which is generally super-accurate, as the maintainers tend to be very meticulous) lists the order for the Vet Pledges as such:

The order is not random. Now, it is possible to have a 7-day period where 4 of the pledges are DLC pledges; this happened during the first week, as RoM was the Monday pledge and WGT was the Sunday pledge. But then that means the next two 7-day periods would have just 2 DLC pledges each--this past week only had RoM and CoS on Saturday and Sunday, and this week, ICP and WGT on Thursday and Friday will be the only two DLC pledges.

This type of information is much appreciated: the only time non-DLC holders can't do Pledges are 2 day increments (as it already was) with rare overlap. Most of the time can still do base-game pledges which is just fine.

What about non-DLC players having no harvestable tier-10 mat nodes (Cyrodiil doesn't count as the nodes are very sparse and it's the risk of being killed means nobody would farm nodes there).

I hope this is changed with One Tamriel because I personally found is disgusting the highest level nodes in Craglorn (and Gold zones) are CP150 materials, yet in Wrothgar there's a CP160 material node every few feet. Upon loading in via the intro quest I was greeted with 3 nodes, more CP160 nodes than I've ever seen in the wilds of Cryodiil.

As a base game player, you can't craft CP160 gear at all without spending a lifetime in Cyrodiil hoping to get lucky and find an actual node, or paying other players for THEIR materials. It's pretty stupid.

cjthibs wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

What is this nonsense? Struggling to feel as though you contribute?

People playing for free do not help the game. They help other players.
If you want to help the game, you support it.

There is no such thing as a free to play ESO, same as there's no such thing as playing The Witcher 3 for free.

Unless you, you know, stole it.

MMO's don't survive on a one-time fee. This is just reality.
You paid an entry fee. That doesn't count as supporting the game long-term.

You know what does though, subscription model. I wonder if there's any link between the crowd that didn't want eso to have a sub, and the ones that don't want to buy little bites of dlc content?

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

The 2017 model trucks are a failure! They have barely sold any!

Oh wait... They've only been out a month...

FAILURE!

4/12=75%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

erm... 4/12 = 3x4, or 12 divided by 3, thats 33.33% reoccuring.

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

[snip]IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs[snip]

[snip]Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC [snip]

Cite your sources.

go play the game daily like i do
when its IC DLC pledges, most players do them
when its SotH DLC pledges, most players are doing random veteran/normal
dont forget to water your flowers

Maybe, just saying, if you play the game that much you might consider not freeloading and pay to support it?

Just a suggestion.

Transairion wrote: »

Yet that supposedly flawless model of subscription only was dropped within a year like so many other MMO's, which also went on to open a Cash Shop immediately afterward and raked in the profits. Patterns, eh?


Could be worse. Could be SWTOR, which went F2P with a Cash Shop and Paid DLC and is now making it's new content all subscriber only so now they may as well never had dropped it. It'll be a sad day if ESO follows suit.

True. But I'd argue the pattern has less to do with the model being flawed and more to do with generational views on subscriptions being unaffordable or unnecessary. There's a solid chunk of people who will denounce subs as greedy and expensive while dropping twice the cost of sub or more for outfits in a second rate f2p game. Doesn't make any sense but then again, not much of anything does these days.

code65536 wrote: »

Talyena wrote: »

I disagreed with those who complained that crafting bags to subscribers somehow took something away from their game. I disagreed with those who complained that costume dying for subscribers somehow took something away from their game. But in this case, DLC dungeons in the rotation DOES take something away from the base, non subscriber/purchaser game. My proposed fix is a third undaunted mission giver who ONLY gives out DLC dungeon pledges. That would give back dailies to those who don't subscribe or purchase certain DLCs and at the same time give bonus content in the form of an extra daily for those who do subscribe or purchase those DLCs. It's an easy fix that is a win for everyone.

What about non-Orsinium players having not access to tier-10 writs? What about non-DLC players having no harvestable tier-10 mat nodes (Cyrodiil doesn't count as the nodes are very sparse and it's the risk of being killed means nobody would farm nodes there).

The base game dungeons are still there, and you can still run them. You just won't get a key out of it. Big deal. If you care enough about group content to do pledges religiously every day, why would you not get this DLC in the first place?

I am a subscriber and have been since I started playing. I agree there should be writs for those without Orsinium since those levels were added to the base game. All I am saying with pledges is that they are taking away pledges from the base game, something they said they wouldn't do. And then I offered a solution that wouldn't take away anything from the base game but offer even more content to DLC purchasers and subscribers. I don't see how anyone could possibly have a problem with that.

Support the game if you like it. You DESERVE nothing.......very overused word.

As said before, but many (Including myself), DLC dungeons should NOT be on the undaunted list(Undaunted quests are NOT DLC content) but SHOULD give a daily reward of keys(AKA like ic will give 2 keys when u do gold, instead its not a undaunted quest, and instead always gives 1 key / day)

The other thing(This even less likely to happen) is they should update the non vet dungeons (Direfrost, etc) to give them vet versions. Sadly this won't happen because its 'base game' stuff and changing it wouldn't give them any profit.

Its all DLC from here on out. Expect future DLC's to be more 'required' and mandatory content as each drops. Zeni will keep testing the limits, but sadly with their research department (and lack of any CS) they are only encouraging players to move on to much better, newer, and infinitely better managed games.

Even I will learn someday to stop throwing money at a group of people who just keep burning it.

Transairion wrote: »

Witcher and Mario are not MMOs that require servers to maintain.

Every (online) multiplayer game ever has servers to maintain and some of them last years and years without any new content to hold them up... Mass Effect 3's multiplayer is still running (it doesn't get updated anymore, sure, but the plug hasn't been pulled despite no $ flowing in).

You vastly overestimate the cost of "keeping the lights on" if you think a Buy to Play game's Buy to Play cost can't cover it. You're not doing your civic duty by subscribing, you're just feeding Zenimax profit. By all means, do that, but don't bash other players for not paying more money than they've already paid. ESO isn't free, stop pretending it is.

You're paying for a service in the form of ESO+ bonuses, nothing more.

ME3's multiplayer is peer-to-peer...like most games these days.
If you look at something like Battlefield with dedicated servers...you have to rent those if you want to open one.

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

They're saying since Hist DLC landed on PC, 4/7 Veteran Pledges (7 per week, 1 per day) are DLC Pledges.

And they are incorrect. It's a 12-day cycle, in the following order:

1. Ruins of Mazzatun
2. Cradle of Shadows
3. City of Ash
4. Elden Hollow
5. Spindleclutch
6. Imperial City Prison
7. White-Gold Tower
8. Darkshade Caverns
9. Wayrest Sewers
10. Fungal Grotto
11. Crypt of Hearts
12. Banished Cells

The order is not random. Now, it is possible to have a 7-day period where 4 of the pledges are DLC pledges; this happened during the first week, as RoM was the Monday pledge and WGT was the Sunday pledge. But then that means the next two 7-day periods would have just 2 DLC pledges each--this past week only had RoM and CoS on Saturday and Sunday, and this week, ICP and WGT on Thursday and Friday will be the only two DLC pledges.

just wanted to make sure OP sees this.

I'm assuming the OP did see it, and that's why he stopped posting in this thread.

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

[snip]IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs[snip]

[snip]Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC [snip]

Cite your sources.

go play the game daily like i do
when its IC DLC pledges, most players do them
when its SotH DLC pledges, most players are doing random veteran/normal
dont forget to water your flowers

So your "source" is a first-person, biased anecdote? Seems legit. Wait...no it doesn't.

I play, and pledge, every day. I agree that introducing so many daily pledges that are behind a paywall is a lousy thing to do, but presenting your imagination as fact is not a good way to make your case.

deny my claim that Imperial City DLC is the most sold and shadow of the hist is least sold then

Ok. I deny something that you made up. we have no proof to either support or refute your claim.

I actually suspect that Orsinuim is the best selling DLC.

I also suspect that, especially since the implementation of crafting bags, there are far more people accessing the DLC zones through subscriptions than buying them. Since Zeni doesn't release any sales or revenue figures, these are just guesses. Just like yours are. The difference is that I'm not presenting my opinions as facts.