Best races to max out DPS

DangerMan · August 2016

I have all sorts of characters, but now I'm planning to min/max those. Looking at PvE only, what are the best races to max out your DPS?

From what I've read, all Stam classes should be Khajit, and all Mag classes should be High Elf, besides Dunmer as Mag DK?

Am I on the right track?

P.S. I'm also assuming there's a general consensus that Argonians will make the best Magplar healers now..

waterfairy · August 2016

Daedra

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susmitds · August 2016

Stamina DPS - Khajiit
Magicka DPS - Altmer

Healer - Altmer (Sustain and extra damage more useful than extra healing due to over healing).

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

First, Argonians arent the best at anything. I would still go Breton or Altmer or even Dunmer for that matter. Bonuses to healing either from a racial passive like Argonian or a Set bonus like Healing, just arent very good. People wildly overheal. You are much better off min/maxing your Magic and Spell damage while healing, and you want 5 pieces bonuses that give utility (SPC, Worm, Gossamer, Infallible Aether).

For Stamina PVE DPS, you have two real Options. Khajiit or Redguard. If you are trying to min/max your DPS in a perfect Raid setting, in other words, you have a perfect warhorn rotation and all the typical group buffs, then Khajiit is the answer. 98% of people never run in a perfect raid, and of those that do, we still spend a heck of a lot of time doing things outside of it. In all other situations, Redguard is better. It is certainly better with sustain (PVP), and they will do more base damage. Khajiit is BIS, but only for a small % of people a small % of the time.

For Magic PVE DPS, it depends on the class. Dunmer gets 1% less magic, but a bigger benefit to Fire damage (and now small benefits to frost and shock). Elemental Blockade is one of the staples of every magic build now, which makes the boost to fire damage very important. Blockade is often the highest thing on my parse in the new trials.

-Dunmer is going to be better for DKs and NBs, and that is really hard to debate. All of the elemental damage is fire on a DK, and a lot of it is fire on a NB. My Altmer NB is going to get a change to Dunmer whenever I get around to it.

-Altmer is going to be best on a sorc. They do a lot of shock damage, and their main spam does all three types.

Templars are the wild card. Technically, Dunmer is better for damage, but anyone that plays a magic Templar for DPS knows that they seriously struggle with sustain. The ever so slight, edge that a Dunmer might have in DPS is probably outweighed by the superior sustain of Altmer. Altmer also makes the better healer if you want to go that route.

For magic, other than DKs, you are kinda splitting hairs. Altmer will sustain a better if that factors into your calculations.

Daveheart · August 2016

With a large percentage of your damage coming from elemental blockade and shooting star along with force pulse in many builds, dark elf is also the highest DPS choice for magicka nightblade.

Woeler · August 2016

All stamina classes -> Khajiit

Magicka DK -> Dunmer

Magicka NB -> Dunmer

Magicka Sorc -> Altmer

Magicka Templar -> Altmer

Capsaica · August 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

-Dunmer is going to be better for DKs and NBs, and that is really hard to debate. All of the elemental damage is fire on a DK, and a lot of it is fire on a NB. My Altmer NB is going to get a change to Dunmer whenever I get around to it.

I'm curious here. What NB abilities have fire damage? I can't say I've ever noticed any, but perhaps I've not been paying attention. Or are you referring to inferno staff abilities being used by NB's?

I deliberately did not choose dunmer or altmer for my newest magicka NB because of the lack of elemental damage in the NB skill lines. Of course, I primarily run PvP, which influenced that decision as well.

Lord_Eomer · August 2016

Kahjit but make sure to take 2 shot of skooma a day..

Mojmir · August 2016

Elemental blockade is only worth having on your bar if you have maelstrom. Altmer is best for sustain, dunmer for raid situations.

Maztiax · August 2016

Nord

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

Capsaica wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

-Dunmer is going to be better for DKs and NBs, and that is really hard to debate. All of the elemental damage is fire on a DK, and a lot of it is fire on a NB. My Altmer NB is going to get a change to Dunmer whenever I get around to it.

I'm curious here. What NB abilities have fire damage? I can't say I've ever noticed any, but perhaps I've not been paying attention. Or are you referring to inferno staff abilities being used by NB's?

I deliberately did not choose dunmer or altmer for my newest magicka NB because of the lack of elemental damage in the NB skill lines. Of course, I primarily run PvP, which influenced that decision as well.

For PVE DPS, they dont really do any from class skills, which is why its a bit of a close call. In a trial setting, Dunmers are going to run Elemental Blockade (fire), Force Pulse (all 3), and usually Shooting Star for an Ultimate (fire). Ice comet is a touch more damage, but almost nobody runs it. They prefer the ulti regen and fire synergies of shooting star. Especially now that Dunmers get a small boost to frost and shock, its hard to argue that Altmer is better on a NB, unless of course, you really struggle to sustain. For Places like VMA or 4 man stuff where you might run funnel health instead of force pulse, Dunmer is a no-brainer.

AnnieBeGood · August 2016

Maztiax wrote: »

Nord

I lol'd.

And then thought that's sad..... poor Nords

Amdar_Godkiller · August 2016

Not sure about Stamplars or Stam Sorcs when it comes to sustain, as I'm more familiar with SDKs and Stamblades, but neither DKs nor Nightblades really
require additional sustain for min-maxing as PVE DPS. Didn't Redguards get nerfed to 10% max stamina? I might have been
reading dated information. I feel like Redguard are great for both PVE and PVP, but Imperials are arguably capable of running without max health food due to their 12% health boost, so how close are they in terms of DPS with the other two? Just started an Imperial Stam Sorc and was curious.

Bonzodog01 · August 2016

Dunmer Templar mages will use the Dawns Wrath Skill tree quite extensively. Reflective Light is possible one of the most badass DoTs available for PvE, and we all know just what Radiant Destruction and its morphs can do.

For ultimates, the Solar Prison/Solar Disturbance Ultimate also procs fire damage.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Not sure about Stamplars or Stam Sorcs when it comes to sustain, as I'm more familiar with SDKs and Stamblades, but neither DKs nor Nightblades really
require additional sustain for min-maxing as PVE DPS. Didn't Redguards get nerfed to 10% max stamina? I might have been
reading dated information. I feel like Redguard are great for both PVE and PVP, but Imperials are arguably capable of running without max health food due to their 12% health boost, so how close are they in terms of DPS with the other two? Just started an Imperial Stam Sorc and was curious.

Hard to say how viable you would be to run green food at end game. Even on an imperial, your health is going to be awfully, low, but in theory, you would pull more DPS if you are a alive. Haha

As for the stamina classes, DK sustain is far and away the best. I think you can pretty much infinitely sustain on single target because your passives give so much stamina every time you drop an ultimate. In a pinch, you can also use earthen heart abilities as a magic dump. I only struggle with sustain on a stam DK if I die.

Stam Nightblades have siphoning strikes to help with sustain, but not sure how much people actually run it. I dont play it all that much. It is at least a decent class skill to address the issue.

Stam Sorcs and Templars I think have it the worst. Yes Dark Deal is nice on paper, but it cant be block canceled and takes a while to cast. Sorcs also dont really have space on their bars because they need a toggle. I just dont see it being used at endgame. Repentance is obviously awesome on a templar, but it is meaningless in single target. Templars struggle with resources on Magic for sure. My Stamplar is still low level, so its hard for me to be specific, but have recently started running my Stam Sorc in trials. Sustain is much harder than on a stam sorc than a stam DK.