Or just siege it down. They are pretty bad in the open field. Without choke points where they can stack proxy det they're usually pretty easy to burn down. Patience and movement gets them most of the time, just have to stay out of the lead bombs.

I would comment on possibly changing how the flag flips or even removing the door but ive been down this road before. You cant discuss change on these forums without getting shut down.

LOL if you see people trying to tower farm and all the pugs are there dying then just leave. If you die at the tower farm a lot then it's your fault. Can't blame people for farming AP from people so willing to give it just to kill a small group. Now if there's a whole zerg that failed to capture a keep and is hiding out in the tower, stay off the flag, don't go inside the tower, siege the tower and laugh as they all start to run out in a giant clump as their tower farming failed.

Can't say I feel bad for people falling for the same trick all the time.

Kartalin wrote: »

Mutagem is talking about Azura's Star (NA/PC) where we've seen a recent surge in it.

Largely I think we attract farmers because unfortunately the AD pugs, i.e. 90% of our population on Az, are eminently farmable. Our opponents seem to have their fair share of organized guild groups, Full Metal Carebears, Fair Weather Friends, Darkest Requiem, Myrmidons, and we ran into a K-hole group trying to tower farm last night. For AD though? We have a pug zerg guild, a couple of small guilds that run occasionally, a couple pug whisperers that run groups, and us (Tertiary Meat). We broke up our share of tower farms last night but it gets frustrating knowing we're going in without much support from the rest of AD and there's only 8-12 of us.

There may be people deliberately farming AP, but part of it is simply the sheer size of the AD PUG zergs. If you are a small group and engage a zerg in an open field, you may kill a bunch of them but eventually you will be overwhelmed. Any kind of defensible space is preferred when you are outnumbered... and a resource flipping is likely to attract some attention. Lots of attention; at least a full raid will show up.

If your idea of fun is not defending BRK against wave after wave of AD for hours (along with your own faction's zerg), a lot of times there's just not much else to do on Azuras.

I would usually just go in and kill them or chase them away. That's PvP right? I like that.

Armitas wrote: »

booksmcread wrote: »

It used to not really be a big deal. But, it's all some groups do anymore. And it's not small groups, it's 24+. A good start would be to disallow siege to be placed on the first floor of an enemy resource tower.

I have seen that on Haderus. Its the strangest thing to walk into a resource solo and watch 24 people come out of the tower and kill you. How bad do you have to be to outnumber your foe and hide in a tower for even greater advantage.

Arguably as bad as the giant swarm that came to force them into the tower.

Then again, who knows, I/we only shift to the tower to even odds.

But yea as stated before, just ignore them initially and wipe they when they come out.

@Mutagem the secret to not getting tower farmed, git gud or ignore the farm.

I am just gonna point out that OP is part of a faction that will stack literally 50 people in a keep or outpost. Sometimes even more than that, and they themselves often find residence in BRK mine tower, 40+ deep.

So i mean, tell me more about how evil it is when a faction that has half your numbers does it, then come back and tell me why you do?

I love to tower farm and break up tower farms. I will give you one tip though, if you see a camp on the flag, NEVER BURN IT. Just take the flag, it will disappear. When your burn their camp outside of the tower, they will place a new one on top and rez half the group you wiped before they ran into the tower. That tip is free. Then you can go inside and I won't share the tactics here to break the farm, or you can wait outside and get D-ticks off the idiots that do go in there without a plan, leave the resource completely, or wipe them when they get bored and come out of the tower after not getting enough lemmings to feed them.

Not exactly against tower farming but wish there were less groups running into the tower the moment somene charges the resource. Seen sizable groups run straight away into the tower to set siege, caltrops and oils without even intent of fighting outdoors. Clearly they think that they can farm ap that way. That is getting so old it is almost funny.

Rylana wrote: »

I am just gonna point out that OP is part of a faction that will stack literally 50 people in a keep or outpost. Sometimes even more than that, and they themselves often find residence in BRK mine tower, 40+ deep.

So i mean, tell me more about how evil it is when a faction that has half your numbers does it, then come back and tell me why you do?

Yeah agree.... Wait you mean pact militia... Your faction. That's an every day occurrence. No Bueno!

lol I didn't even know Rylana posted in here, Funny how in the Azuras Star thread you got out debated and shut up then you spout the same nonsensical garbage here? Go continue it in that thread if you wanna bring it up

Mutagem wrote: »

Why must I waste my time with you...but hey I'll prove you wrong

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

lol I didn't even know Rylana posted in here, Funny how in the Azuras Star thread you got out debated and shut up then you spout the same nonsensical garbage here? Go continue it in that thread if you wanna bring it up

Correction - I never "shut up" i lost interest in your sidebars and offtopic banter.

Notice how here in this very post you dont address the fact youre complaining about tower farms literally 1 hour after GoS (one day only reunion) busted you out of a tower farm with 40+ ad in it.

I am calling you a hypocrite. Address that.

You didn't respond to it = you shutting up about it. This was my last post where I was directly responding to you

Mutagem wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

I'm honestly sick of the whole "AD Zergs waa" argument. Every faction zergs at one point or another. Red did several times at BRK when they had emp

At no time were you ever outnumbered. Think about that.

Once you realize how ludicrous it is to say EP was zerging at last emp keep with maybe 20-30 total people, when youre attacking it with over 60, you might get why I teabag you every time you die.

You teabag me every time I die because you're a knob lol

Actually it wasn't but keep telling yourself that. Also lol @ BRK tonight you guys don't zerg though right? It only took both you and DC attacking it the first time and failing giving us a 15k defense tick then hammering 4 walls down afterward including a door to take it...but yep you guys don't zerg lol There wasn't 40-60 EP there nope lolol

Then Caza your worshipper continued the argument in which he stopped responding as well. You posted patricks video and then stopped responding to me. = losing the debate then continuing it in here wasting my time further.

Also What GoS thing are you talking about? We attacked Alessia failed, then fell back to a resource and died in the tower after the first wave of EP came in lol hardly tower farming, every time a faction fails to get a keep they fall back to the resource. Get a life, Why don't you go cry on the AD or DC zone chat like you usually do.

Edit: This whole thing also came up because you said EP never zergs lol You even admit to it after one BRK battle that they do zerg when my original statement was that all factions zerg at one point or another.

EP on Azuras does not have the numbers to zerg, period.

Your claim that they somehow did? Sure, the most EP I have seen on azuras turned out for Patrick Scotts last emp keep, and they were still outnumbered by AD (you had over 70, possibly closer to 100, if I am dead honest). You realize 40 EP in any one spot has occurred exactly one time in a month on Azuras? Once (during pats last hour as emp). And about half of those guys came as a one time favor to Patrick, they havent been on Azuras since. Yet routinely you, Mutagem, are in zergs on the daily, multiple times, of even more than that.

Again, EP does not zerg. You do.

Are you done making a fool of yourself?

You still havent addressed being present in the BRK mine incident the night before last where over 40 AD were stacking in that tower trying to "farm" a dozen EP pugs until we obliterated you out of it with just 10 guys + those pugs.

It never ceases to amaze me, really, how the AD faction will bring their entire population to a fight, and the moment they see even a handful of EP will run into the tower and put a camp on top of it. Like, you not only already outnumber us 3-1 or worse, but youre going to camp spam for inflated numbers on top of that? Some of those resource busts I have gotten over 150 kills at, meaning we had to kill your 50+ guys THREE TIMES over with just 15-20 of us. (under a hail of siege all the while, mind, because the 30 on the flag are supported by 20 more in the tower with meat, fire, snipe, etc etc etc)

Yet here you are, a representative of the literal zerg itself, the discombobulated yellow sea that is AD, camps and all, bitching about a few guys sitting in a tower against you. Really?