No, this isn't elitism. This is a basic fundamental in most groups. Even with groups in which players do not 'stack' on crown per se, you are expected to be within proximity of heals and contribute damage to the same targets. In most groups, members are expected to be where the leader is and following his/her instructions.

The purpose of grouping is to organize and work as one unit. If you are not where the leaders expect you to be, you become a burden.

Furthermore, you are not doing your guild or group a favor or being nice by showing up. That is part of what you agree to do when you join a guild. Every guild has expectations about when and how often players should play. You should talk to the leaders in your guild to better understand what is expected from members.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO there is more to it though, OP here feels he is new in the guild, and joined the raid to help out. The CALL TO ARMS message he got may have been a regular weekly or daily guild mail, and the officers or raidleader was not aware that OP was new to their playstyle..

Not all guilds give introductions, and people who recruit for guilds don't give introductions either.

@failkiwib16_ESO, you're right for certain points. Again, this is just a game, and there is really no way to build a solid teamwork unless you log on to PvP with that same group and guild as often as you can, so as to know how they work and operate. Yes, being a newbie to this PvP guild and actually going in there (the first time) during an active event/siege attack, is surely not the best time for an officer or another member to tutor on how they work and operate. Ha ha.

I am quite versed in working as team and am a team player, however. Yes, when your keep is actively being attacked by a massive group, you would need all hands to defend and repel. I actually only left to join in the chase after we decimated the enemy pact groups and siege weapons. I also recalled someone (probably an officer of the guild or group) directing for some to go check on the nearby lumberyard and outpost. I'm sure the call-out to come to crown's aid was when some crazy enemy pact stragglers decided to return to re-engage on the keep and during when we were engaging the enemy to take back the lumberyard and outpost.

Also looking at the map, there were handful of group member icons in and around crown. I don't know.. I'm pretty sure it could be a certain individual who may not be so much up to speed on people skills. Even in real life, any leader, officer or those in a leadership position must have good people skills as well as knowing how to effectively communication. Without these, even an well-oiled group can fall apart quite rapidly. I'm surely not going to lose or have lost any sleep over it.

Ma leet skills r suporior tu u skrubby non leet u haz low dps u cnt handle ze truths skrub i am Leeeet like dubai

I stood in red once and people told me not to...
Oh the humanity

Rylana wrote: »

Honestly every guild is different.

In ours, youre expected to follow a certain standard of play, which involves following instructions. We dont exactly stack on crown anymore, thats a bad idea due to many factors, but to be near the lead is considered required.

Force multiplication and the like.

But unlike some guilds we explain this right out the door. After 14 days you either make the cut or you dont, most dont. Is it elitist? Yes, but its because we want LIKE MINDED folks in our ranks. We have under 90 members, over 400 have applied or been a tryout since we started back in January.

So 25 percent retention rate to our playstyle (excluding people who have full on quit the game i guess), because what we do is normally outnumbered organized away from the front lines fighting. Self sufficiency and adaptability are vital traits.

Elitism isnt the word id use, selective is.

Again, this is a game.. and members of the guilds and groups within ESO are made up of people and players of all different types and background. Similar to this forum, you have those that appear to be quite professional in their messages and wordages, whereas you also have total juvenile conducts or mannerism. We can't expect the guilds or groups in this game to operate or work exactly like any real-world businesses or even a well-oiled military unit. We also can't expect players who are in officer roles in their respective guilds to be as professional or have effective leadership and communication know-how as a non-commissioned or commissioned officers in real-world military units.

However, with the right people in the officer and leadership roles, I believe you can develop a guild or group into an effective fighting force in PvP; using similar tactics and doctrine or policy from a real-world military unit. With that said, @Rylana, I agree with you that everybody in the group stacking on crown is not the best tactic, unless that group of 20 are designated as crown's protective detachment, and there are other groups/teams designated with their own function; like an assault group and support group. Again yes, you wouldn't need 20 players by crown's side at all times.

Also, if your guild has been in operation for some time, those officers and other veteran members should be able to recognize any new member or members of the group. Such in my case, I joined this guild (Don't take me in the wrong way. I am not slamming this guild or leadership as a whole; more of suggestion for improvement to this guild or others) just a day ago and came to their aid the very first time. I didn't ping any of them for an invite into the group; rather, I was pinged to be included in the group. So, as an officer in that group or any senior member (particularly crown), you should recognize that someone coming into your group is new. Therefore, in a heat of battle or not, you should still be able to quickly and easy say.. "Hey you (name such) say with crown side, unless otherwise directed," or "We need you at (such and such) wall, and defend there until further direction (or guidance)," or "Go link up with (such and such named player).

Actual commo during that siege attempts were more as, "We need people to go the north wall. We people at the south wall. We need people to take out the siege machines. We need people to go check on the lumberyard and some to go to the outpost", etc.. Technically, for more effective communication and management, it should be more of (even if there are not actual teams designated).. "Hey (names such and such), I need you guys at the (such and such side) wall. You guys (names such and such), aid in attacking those siege machines," or "You guys (names such and such) go check out or recon the lumberyard or outpost," and even, "All come back to the keep or stack on crown immediately when directed or called upon."

I am not directly criticizing how communication and operation were managed during that siege event, because I understand we are just normal people coming together and playing a game, and not everyone have been trained and oiled well as a military unit (most, at least.. ha ha). However, you don't need to be military officers or business executives to learn the basic of how you treat each others. Although, written communication is the most misinterpreted and misunderstood form of communication. You still need to know to effectively communicate in writing as well as in person. Heck, sometimes, it's hard enough to communicate with certain people in person.

mb10 wrote: »

Dont worry, I'll be in the shadows amongst the opposing faction waiting patiently for the crown to drop his/her guard or maybe check something on the start menu.

When that happen's he/she shall die.

Ha ha.. yeah, typical sniper, I see..