Sorcs should have a ward with half strength and double the time.

vonfelty · August 2016

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

I'm guessing you're coming from a pve perspective, because your suggestion would be a huge sorc nerf in pvp.

vonfelty · August 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm guessing you're coming from a pve perspective, because your suggestion would be a huge sorc nerf in pvp.

Which is why I suggested making two morphs. One for people who want to keep mashing the button and those who rather not keep hurting their fingers.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm guessing you're coming from a pve perspective, because your suggestion would be a huge sorc nerf in pvp.

Which is why I suggested making two morphs. One for people who want to keep mashing the button and those who rather not keep hurting their fingers.

Sorry, I read the whole post but for some reason that bit didn't register. That is a better suggestion but I think the other morph is still used by pet sorcs. The strength of both morphs is subpar for pvp so any reduction in strength would render that morph useless for pvp.

hrothbern · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

It is 6 seconds for hardened Ward
and 10 seconds for Empowered Ward (at Rank IV)

vonfelty · August 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

It is 6 seconds for hardened Ward
and 10 seconds for Empowered Ward (at Rank IV)

Thanks for the correction.

10 seconds is still not enough.

MrAppleman · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

What are you standing in that much red for? Why a shield spam? I don't use shields on any of my characters for the most part, if I do I use harness once.
Why do you need 100% uptime for shield? That's not good man.
The idea is you use it once as an oh *** until you're safe. After that initial oh *** you shouldn't need a shield. Unless you like walking in lava.

acw37162 · August 2016

They gave you two morphs a stronger shorter one and a longer smaller one.

Pick your poison the days of 20 seconds shields are torn for at least a few more patches.

Vaoh · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

The first part of your post explains the rest of it

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Magicka Templar and ANY Stamina class is the current way to go in PvP. Your idea for shields would seriously be a bad idea. Both of the current morphs are great and serve their own purposes, meshing differently with Dampen Magic/Harness Magicka.

As a Magicka Sorc who knows his stuff, and has played ESO in the past few months, I assure you that shields do not need any more nerfs. Were not even close to the top dogs of PvP meta anymore.

lrizo · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Gotta disagree here chief, most 501 sorcs that stuck with their class learned how to adjust rather than just say *** it.

And by "terrible" I don't know if you mean by default or skill, because yeah in theory mag sorcs should be worse than any stam build out there atm, but skill will always come out on top, and from what I see the only sorcs that are left, are skilled.

Mojmir · August 2016

lol no

Unsent.Soul · August 2016

I'd say OP doesn't have a decent rotation. Probably flustered at casting the shield often (if needed)

Learn to adapt, if you want to be effective, you'll need a rotation. I'm learning as well but it can be done.

Minalan · August 2016

lrizo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Gotta disagree here chief, most 501 sorcs that stuck with their class learned how to adjust rather than just say *** it.

And by "terrible" I don't know if you mean by default or skill, because yeah in theory mag sorcs should be worse than any stam build out there atm, but skill will always come out on top, and from what I see the only sorcs that are left, are skilled.

The few die-hards left are good, but they would be unbeatable as magicka Templars.

Basically it comes down to latency, ridiculously good reflexes, practice, and animation cancelling everything...

Vaoh · August 2016

lrizo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Gotta disagree here chief, most 501 sorcs that stuck with their class learned how to adjust rather than just say *** it.

And by "terrible" I don't know if you mean by default or skill, because yeah in theory mag sorcs should be worse than any stam build out there atm, but skill will always come out on top, and from what I see the only sorcs that are left, are skilled.

No, I mean it. And I mean terrible skill-wise, because it is far harder to play a Magicka Sorc now than ever before. If you aren't extremely familiar with the class and shielding at the right time, chances are you won't do very well.

When I say a Magicka Sorc is strong, I'm not talking about a Sorc who can kill another typical CP501 player without help once in awhile. I mean a Sorc who can run around and 1vX like the nerfs never happened. Those Sorcs are extremely rare. Only a handful of Magicka Sorcs have put up a fight anymore against me because the nerfs to shields/sustain made this class spec so much tougher to play.

Nowadays when I fight a group of players, the first enemy I tend to target is either a cocky Nightblade or a Magicka Sorc. Magicka Sorcs only threaten me in 1vX when they start pulling out the Overload. That's when they have to die before Nightblades.

9/10 would be an understatement actually. May be closer to 19/20 tbh. From what I've seen in Dark Brotherhood, almost all of the Magicka Sorcs serve as free AP.

My favorite is when I run far away from an enemy zerg, and the Magicka Sorcs chase me down because they can also Bolt Escape. When I get far enough, and their zerg support is ~10-15 seconds off, I slaughter them because they are so used to having long shield durations than they don't bother to recast. Makes all Magicka Sorcs look pitiful

But yeah, those Sorcs who stuck with being Magicka-based in PvP are absolutely not all skilled. Not even close. They are stuck in their old ways, hoping to be as strong as those Magicka Sorcs who carry on 1vXing despite the nerfs.

Hashtag_ · August 2016

Or you could L2P.

Minalan · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Gotta disagree here chief, most 501 sorcs that stuck with their class learned how to adjust rather than just say *** it.

And by "terrible" I don't know if you mean by default or skill, because yeah in theory mag sorcs should be worse than any stam build out there atm, but skill will always come out on top, and from what I see the only sorcs that are left, are skilled.

No, I mean it. And I mean terrible skill-wise, because it is far harder to play a Magicka Sorc now than ever before. If you aren't extremely familiar with the class and shielding at the right time, chances are you won't do very well.

When I say a Magicka Sorc is strong, I'm not talking about a Sorc who can kill another typical CP501 player without help once in awhile. I mean a Sorc who can run around and 1vX like the nerfs never happened. Those Sorcs are extremely rare. Only a handful of Magicka Sorcs have put up a fight anymore against me because the nerfs to shields/sustain made this class spec so much tougher to play.

Nowadays when I fight a group of players, the first enemy I tend to target is either a cocky Nightblade or a Magicka Sorc. Magicka Sorcs only threaten me in 1vX when they start pulling out the Overload. That's when they have to die before Nightblades.

9/10 would be an understatement actually. May be closer to 19/20 tbh. From what I've seen in Dark Brotherhood, almost all of the Magicka Sorcs serve as free AP.

My favorite is when I run far away from an enemy zerg, and the Magicka Sorcs chase me down because they can also Bolt Escape. When I get far enough, and their zerg support is ~10-15 seconds off, I slaughter them because they are so used to having long shield durations than they don't bother to recast. Makes all Magicka Sorcs look pitiful

But yeah, those Sorcs who stuck with being Magicka-based in PvP are absolutely not all skilled. Not even close. They are stuck in their old ways, hoping to be as strong as those Magicka Sorcs who carry on 1vXing despite the nerfs.

It pains me to agree with you. You won't find the really good sorcs in a Zerg though. They're solo, trying to pick a fight at a keep or sitting on a resource they just flagged, waiting for enemies to show.

The recasting of the shields, it gives about 4.5 seconds left if you don't cancel it JUST right. Time a CC and burst them dead. Six seconds hardened ward is too short, but I agree twenty was too long. The right answer should have been about eight on the Hardened morph.

AgentofKhaoss · August 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

lrizo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

You don't know how PvP is nowadays. Things have changed. Magicka Sorcs are a rarer species, and those who do play Magicka Sorc are terrible 9/10 times.

Gotta disagree here chief, most 501 sorcs that stuck with their class learned how to adjust rather than just say *** it.

And by "terrible" I don't know if you mean by default or skill, because yeah in theory mag sorcs should be worse than any stam build out there atm, but skill will always come out on top, and from what I see the only sorcs that are left, are skilled.

No, I mean it. And I mean terrible skill-wise, because it is far harder to play a Magicka Sorc now than ever before. If you aren't extremely familiar with the class and shielding at the right time, chances are you won't do very well.

When I say a Magicka Sorc is strong, I'm not talking about a Sorc who can kill another typical CP501 player without help once in awhile. I mean a Sorc who can run around and 1vX like the nerfs never happened. Those Sorcs are extremely rare. Only a handful of Magicka Sorcs have put up a fight anymore against me because the nerfs to shields/sustain made this class spec so much tougher to play.

Nowadays when I fight a group of players, the first enemy I tend to target is either a cocky Nightblade or a Magicka Sorc. Magicka Sorcs only threaten me in 1vX when they start pulling out the Overload. That's when they have to die before Nightblades.

9/10 would be an understatement actually. May be closer to 19/20 tbh. From what I've seen in Dark Brotherhood, almost all of the Magicka Sorcs serve as free AP.

My favorite is when I run far away from an enemy zerg, and the Magicka Sorcs chase me down because they can also Bolt Escape. When I get far enough, and their zerg support is ~10-15 seconds off, I slaughter them because they are so used to having long shield durations than they don't bother to recast. Makes all Magicka Sorcs look pitiful

But yeah, those Sorcs who stuck with being Magicka-based in PvP are absolutely not all skilled. Not even close. They are stuck in their old ways, hoping to be as strong as those Magicka Sorcs who carry on 1vXing despite the nerfs.

It pains me to agree with you. You won't find the really good sorcs in a Zerg though. They're solo, trying to pick a fight at a keep or sitting on a resource they just flagged, waiting for enemies to show.

The recasting of the shields, it gives about 4.5 seconds left if you don't cancel it JUST right. Time a CC and burst them dead. Six seconds hardened ward is too short, but I agree twenty was too long. The right answer should have been about eight on the Hardened morph.

You are right but I think it shold be a little longer than 8 seconds. I think 12 seconds for Hardened and Empowered ward should be reworked.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

It is 6 seconds for hardened Ward
and 10 seconds for Empowered Ward (at Rank IV)

Thanks for the correction.

10 seconds is still not enough.

Not enough? You must not have a very powerful Sorc then... Honestly if you REALLY need the shield even 6 seconds is plenty!

RebornV3x · August 2016

No shields currently are garbage I still get 2 or 3 shot with full shields and that 6 second shield duration us just dumb.

idk · August 2016

@vonfelty

Zos made the magica shields fall in line with the stam shields with the duration. Magika shields are still superior due to how they scale.

Essentially Zos wants us to decide to play offensive or defensive but the old duration of the magika shields permitted both easily. It's a fair trade off.

Minalan · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@vonfelty

Zos made the magica shields fall in line with the stam shields with the duration. Magika shields are still superior due to how they scale.

Essentially Zos wants us to decide to play offensive or defensive but the old duration of the magika shields permitted both easily. It's a fair trade off.

It's be more 'fair' if I had a magicka CC break or dodge roll:

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

RebornV3x wrote: »

No shields currently are garbage I still get 2 or 3 shot with full shields and that 6 second shield duration us just dumb.

If you're getting 2-3-shotted with a shield up then the issue obviously isn't the duration...

Minalan · August 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

No shields currently are garbage I still get 2 or 3 shot with full shields and that 6 second shield duration us just dumb.

If you're getting 2-3-shotted with a shield up then the issue obviously isn't the duration...

Viper + velidreth + Nightblade.

Yeah.. He needs to L2P...

Izaki · August 2016

vonfelty wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

vonfelty wrote: »

I haven't played for a few months, but I log into discover the wars were reduced from 20 seconds to 6 and 8 seconds respectively. I know the wards were a bit OP, but being required to press a single key every six or eight seconds is a bit much and tedious. Why even have the skill if it requires carpel tunnel?

I'd be willing to have a morph with half the strength with double the time.

Or better yet make one morph 20 seconds but be proportionally weakened. Even if it still requires me to press the button every 5 to 6 seconds because the wards are so weak, I'd still be pressing it less every time the 6 second cycle time goes through.

Keep a morph with the 6 or 8 second at full strength for those with the wherewithal to keep pressing it like a rat in a skinner box.

Thanks.

It is 6 seconds for hardened Ward
and 10 seconds for Empowered Ward (at Rank IV)

Thanks for the correction.

10 seconds is still not enough.

You play with wards in PvE? What kind of healer do you have..?

RAGUNAnoOne · August 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@vonfelty

Zos made the magica shields fall in line with the stam shields with the duration. Magika shields are still superior due to how they scale.

Essentially Zos wants us to decide to play offensive or defensive but the old duration of the magika shields permitted both easily. It's a fair trade off.

It's be more 'fair' if I had a magicka CC break or dodge roll:

Or sneak attack bonus without needing a full set.

DHale · August 2016

Even a sorc its its heyday can't output the damage of a good stam build very few builds running 4 k spell damage. I could get 4 k weapon damage with purple gear heck.. Maybe blue.