Sypher wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Breton would have been better for this build though because of the low regen...

True but I plan to play an elemental based destro build soon so that's why I went high elf

Makes sense. Exactly what elemental spells are you going to use? Destro mageblade is honestly much stronger in open world without them and with minimal regen, unless you have something like a heavy attack > meteor > agony / flame reach one shot combo in mind.

he's right though. sure, it's all good to use shadow image to get away, but not to your spawn. while the skill is designed that way, people can't follow you there with their gap closers etc /that are actually also designed that way). the skill is fine, the special district spawn rules / protections aren't, though. they favor shadow escapes more than they should. the immunity after going through doors is better. once you wasnt to start selfbuffing and initializing your attack, you lose your proctection and you cannot regain your special protection in combat.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Great steal and video.

But there is one thing I don't like.
Don't get me wrong Sypher but you shouldn't use shadow image to port back on to different floor levels or unreachable spots for opponents. It wasn't a problem in this situation but in general it's a question of fair play.

Haha, you should. It the benefit of having shade. Drop down from high, do your thing then dissappear is need be.

It's a difference to disappear by shadow image mechanics that are intentional or exploiting terrain ignorance by shadow image bugs.

You're legit able to get up onthe places by claiming or spawning. So you're allowed to put down a shade. So you're allowed to teleport back...

Those places in IC aren't exploits. Unless you gap close to get up, you're not exploiting anything.

Now you really walk on thin ice.

If you seriously think that porting into a safe zone during combat is ok while there is no way for your opponents to reach this area, then your understanding of competitive PvP and fair play is totally out of control.

The reason why the game shouldn't let you port back up to the safe spot of your faction is the idea of being silenced in a safe zone. So it shouldn't allow you to cast anything and this includes shadow image.

How about fixing bugs instead forcing players to argue of what is right or wrong?

It's not in a safe zone. You can't cast abilities in a safe zone. I don't know what you're on about?

You might should read what you have said before, here is a reminder.

You're legit able to get up onthe places by claiming or spawning. So you're allowed to put down a shade. So you're allowed to teleport back...


Several areas in IC including your mentioned spawn place is a safe zone that's why you are silenced.
But boundaries differ in all 6 areas, that can give you have an advantage or disadvantage depending on faction and area.
Lets say you come out of sewers in Temple District as DC member, it's a little room and silence stops when it would actually make sense, because I can attack anyone coming out of the gate on the left and cover the whole way to the center of Temple district without any risks for my self. If safe zones would work as expected you are not able to cast anything and this includes shadow image , so you cannot port back either. And trigger for safe zone is actually spawn or using any entrance like doors into partial areas of IC, thats why trophy vault balconies work the same way.

Waylander wrote: »

I assume we are talking about the first fight in relation to the comment re fair play and terrain ignorance?

Originally yes, see my answer here.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3251934/#Comment_3251934

But now Brrofski started talking about spawn points and thats a total different story.

IMO, I wish all classes had access to a teleport skill like Shadow Image. It would throw a curl ball at the crazy gap closer meta and promote smarter game play.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Great steal and video.

But there is one thing I don't like.
Don't get me wrong Sypher but you shouldn't use shadow image to port back on to different floor levels or unreachable spots for opponents. It wasn't a problem in this situation but in general it's a question of fair play.

Haha, you should. It the benefit of having shade. Drop down from high, do your thing then dissappear is need be.

It's a difference to disappear by shadow image mechanics that are intentional or exploiting terrain ignorance by shadow image bugs.

You're legit able to get up onthe places by claiming or spawning. So you're allowed to put down a shade. So you're allowed to teleport back...

Those places in IC aren't exploits. Unless you gap close to get up, you're not exploiting anything.

Now you really walk on thin ice.

If you seriously think that porting into a safe zone during combat is ok while there is no way for your opponents to reach this area, then your understanding of competitive PvP and fair play is totally out of control.

The reason why the game shouldn't let you port back up to the safe spot of your faction is the idea of being silenced in a safe zone. So it shouldn't allow you to cast anything and this includes shadow image.

How about fixing bugs instead forcing players to argue of what is right or wrong?

It's not in a safe zone. You can't cast abilities in a safe zone. I don't know what you're on about?

You might should read what you have said before, here is a reminder.

You're legit able to get up onthe places by claiming or spawning. So you're allowed to put down a shade. So you're allowed to teleport back...


Several areas in IC including your mentioned spawn place is a safe zone that's why you are silenced.
But boundaries differ in all 6 areas, that can give you have an advantage or disadvantage depending on faction and area.
Lets say you come out of sewers in Temple District as DC member, it's a little room and silence stops when it would actually make sense, because I can attack anyone coming out of the gate on the left and cover the whole way to the center of Temple district without any risks for my self. If safe zones would work as expected you are not able to cast anything and this includes shadow image , so you cannot port back either. And trigger for safe zone is actually spawn or using any entrance like doors into partial areas of IC, thats why trophy vault balconies work the same way.

He's not in a safe zone.

And I didn't mean safe zones. I mean jumping across a ledge where yo uspawn or whatever. People can still target you with range or another building to get to you.

If he were in a safe zone he wouldn't be able to put the shade down...

so why do i get insta killed by proction rules if i gap-close into that "not-a-safe-zone"?

Sypher wrote: »

Drop the kena and bloodspawn, go 5 Alchemist 5 Vicious Death 3 will power.

Is there a Roronoa Zoro build I don't know about?

KenaPKK wrote: »

Did Sypher even shade poof back into a safe zone or spawn area? I didn't watch that closely, but I didn't think he did. This Bromburak guy has been making odd posts like this in multiple threads.

Stop detracting from enjoying the video. >.>

He likes over-salting his food before eating, I guess lol.

Cool but could you not. Last night because of your video, copycats were everywhere, except they needed run in packs of 3 and then still couldn't get kills on me but were quite annoying. It was nice having this playstyle not prevalent in the game for the last month, we don't need to see it again.