Who asked for prosperous trait?

babedenny · August 2016

Did anybody? Serious question here. To me, it's the most useless trait there is. Just curious if anybody uses it.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

It was me.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

I'm sure some do but personally I find it to be complete garbage. The only thing more useless than the Prosperous Trait is the Snakeblood Passive.

SleepyTroll · August 2016

It was wrobel. I'm jk but seriously. Wtf.

martinhpb16_ESO · August 2016

I made 50g from this trait in one hour its so needed

babedenny · August 2016

I might use it (sporadically) if the buff was 25% loot increase. But, it's not.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

Laugh at this trait all you want. My Imperial will be laughing at you all from her marble palace.

babedenny · August 2016

I want to see a build with 160 gear, all prosperous trait.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

babedenny wrote: »

I want to see a build with 160 gear, all prosperous trait.

I'm actually planning on doing that on my Khajiit NB sneak thief with treasure hunter. :-D

peniku8 · August 2016

I run all prosperous, I love when I see 80g instead of 60g dropping from a mob, I can use that extra 20g to get some Skooma

Minalan · August 2016

Change prosperous to Impen please?

Then at least you can sell it to PVPers.

babedenny · August 2016

Don't spend that 20g all in one skooma place, lol.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

Prosperous is bis in dungeons man.. who needs divine when you can burn bosses down in 30s.. no other trait (maybe apart from training) come even close in dungeons since it actually gives additional benefit.

I wish we have prosperous traits on vma weapons too for that extra 1% gold drop.

DRXHarbinger · August 2016

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

It was me.

Impale coming your way... you're the reason my shackle key turned in 2 prosperous scathing pieces today. ..getting shanked bruh.

babedenny · August 2016

Ok. Well, I did actually want real reasons to use it. So, I guess that's one.

SleepyTroll · August 2016

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

waterfairy · August 2016

The same can be said about well fitted and all the other useless traits. Only 2-3 traits are really useful, the rest are just decon trash or something that will sit in the trader.

babedenny · August 2016

True. I never use well-fitted. The only difference for the purpose of this discussion is that the other traits have been around forever. Prosperous is new.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

Actually this might be true as a dps or tank in dungeons where you take damage and impen works out better in saving cost vs gold gained..

Well I guess prosperous is bis for dungeon healers then, no one will complain you don't pull 20k+ dps in there as long you keep them alive.. so just sit back and loot the gold when you see dead corpses

WTT full divine spc for full prosperous!

daemonios · August 2016

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

Actually this might be true as a dps or tank in dungeons where you take damage and impen works out better in saving cost vs gold gained..

Well I guess prosperous is bis for dungeon healers then, no one will complain you don't pull 20k+ dps in there as long you keep them alive.. so just sit back and loot the gold when you see dead corpses

WTT full divine spc for full prosperous!

Erm... That's not how gear damage works in this game. It has zero to do with damage taken. Nothing. Zilch. Your gear degrades based on (1) how much XP you gain - which should be the same for all group members, unless your group is all over the place - and (2) how often you die - which should be around zero for anything except trials.

I think 99% of grinds will earn you XP, be it killing mobs, going on treasure chest hunts, etc. Therefore your gear will degrade, and your Preposterous bonus will disappear when a given piece is at 0%, forcing you to repair it. That will cost you in-game gold or real money, depending on whether you repair at a vendor or use normal/crown store repair kits.

The only kind of grind that might work, and I just thought of this so I might be wrong, is forcing locks on chests and safeboxes, as that won't reward you with XP (either that or it just doesn't advance your Legerdemain but still rewards you XP, I'm not 100% sure now). You'd still have to subtract the 9g per lockpick (vendor cost) or whatever they cost in guild stores, since you lose 1 or more lockpicks per container and it's not efficient to spend hours farming them. For killing mobs, running dungeons or picking chests, I don't think Preposterous is actually beneficial at all.

DocFrost72 · August 2016

It can stay, but it needs a BIG buff. As it stands, I believe impen having sturdy's old buff actually outperforms it (assuming you repair with gold).

Jaronking · August 2016

babedenny wrote: »

True. I never use well-fitted. The only difference for the purpose of this discussion is that the other traits have been around forever. Prosperous is new.

Well fitted is good in PVP for a roll dodge build its not useful for end game PVE because if you spend all your time roll dodging your not doing any DPS.Every trait in the game is better than prosperous even old exploration is better than it.

Jaronking · August 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

Actually this might be true as a dps or tank in dungeons where you take damage and impen works out better in saving cost vs gold gained..

Well I guess prosperous is bis for dungeon healers then, no one will complain you don't pull 20k+ dps in there as long you keep them alive.. so just sit back and loot the gold when you see dead corpses

WTT full divine spc for full prosperous!

Erm... That's not how gear damage works in this game. It has zero to do with damage taken. Nothing. Zilch. Your gear degrades based on (1) how much XP you gain - which should be the same for all group members, unless your group is all over the place - and (2) how often you die - which should be around zero for anything except trials.

I think 99% of grinds will earn you XP, be it killing mobs, going on treasure chest hunts, etc. Therefore your gear will degrade, and your Preposterous bonus will disappear when a given piece is at 0%, forcing you to repair it. That will cost you in-game gold or real money, depending on whether you repair at a vendor or use normal/crown store repair kits.

The only kind of grind that might work, and I just thought of this so I might be wrong, is forcing locks on chests and safeboxes, as that won't reward you with XP (either that or it just doesn't advance your Legerdemain but still rewards you XP, I'm not 100% sure now). You'd still have to subtract the 9g per lockpick (vendor cost) or whatever they cost in guild stores, since you lose 1 or more lockpicks per container and it's not efficient to spend hours farming them. For killing mobs, running dungeons or picking chests, I don't think Preposterous is actually beneficial at all.

Wait I never knew that so when grinding if my gear is training and it breaks I no longer get that bonus.I never knew that that's why it taken me so long to level other characters.Thank you learned something new.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

Actually this might be true as a dps or tank in dungeons where you take damage and impen works out better in saving cost vs gold gained..

Well I guess prosperous is bis for dungeon healers then, no one will complain you don't pull 20k+ dps in there as long you keep them alive.. so just sit back and loot the gold when you see dead corpses

WTT full divine spc for full prosperous!

Erm... That's not how gear damage works in this game. It has zero to do with damage taken. Nothing. Zilch. Your gear degrades based on (1) how much XP you gain - which should be the same for all group members, unless your group is all over the place - and (2) how often you die - which should be around zero for anything except trials.

I think 99% of grinds will earn you XP, be it killing mobs, going on treasure chest hunts, etc. Therefore your gear will degrade, and your Preposterous bonus will disappear when a given piece is at 0%, forcing you to repair it. That will cost you in-game gold or real money, depending on whether you repair at a vendor or use normal/crown store repair kits.

The only kind of grind that might work, and I just thought of this so I might be wrong, is forcing locks on chests and safeboxes, as that won't reward you with XP (either that or it just doesn't advance your Legerdemain but still rewards you XP, I'm not 100% sure now). You'd still have to subtract the 9g per lockpick (vendor cost) or whatever they cost in guild stores, since you lose 1 or more lockpicks per container and it's not efficient to spend hours farming them. For killing mobs, running dungeons or picking chests, I don't think Preposterous is actually beneficial at all.

Are you sure gear grade is based on xp gain? Im 99% certain its based on damage taken, one easy way to test it out is go and jump off cliffs (but dont die because that will obviously degrade it) and your health/armor would both take damage. Or you can wear a newly repaired set of gear and go turn in a quest and see if it would degrade your gear.

Personally I repair gears after every dungeon run and my dpses usually cost 300-400 gold, my healer never goes above 200 even tho I pull 30k on trashes and close to 20k on boss.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Every trait in the game is better than prosperous even old exploration is better than it.

That part is debatable

especially if you have all areas explorerd.. which is probably why they made it to prosperous so it can be used at anytime at any level for anything and been able to "benefit" from it.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Didn't someone do a test were impen beat out prosperous as far as grinding goes due to the cost of repairs, unless of course you u just don't repair, but then would you even get the bonus in broken gear?

Actually this might be true as a dps or tank in dungeons where you take damage and impen works out better in saving cost vs gold gained..

Well I guess prosperous is bis for dungeon healers then, no one will complain you don't pull 20k+ dps in there as long you keep them alive.. so just sit back and loot the gold when you see dead corpses

WTT full divine spc for full prosperous!

Erm... That's not how gear damage works in this game. It has zero to do with damage taken. Nothing. Zilch. Your gear degrades based on (1) how much XP you gain - which should be the same for all group members, unless your group is all over the place - and (2) how often you die - which should be around zero for anything except trials.

I think 99% of grinds will earn you XP, be it killing mobs, going on treasure chest hunts, etc. Therefore your gear will degrade, and your Preposterous bonus will disappear when a given piece is at 0%, forcing you to repair it. That will cost you in-game gold or real money, depending on whether you repair at a vendor or use normal/crown store repair kits.

The only kind of grind that might work, and I just thought of this so I might be wrong, is forcing locks on chests and safeboxes, as that won't reward you with XP (either that or it just doesn't advance your Legerdemain but still rewards you XP, I'm not 100% sure now). You'd still have to subtract the 9g per lockpick (vendor cost) or whatever they cost in guild stores, since you lose 1 or more lockpicks per container and it's not efficient to spend hours farming them. For killing mobs, running dungeons or picking chests, I don't think Preposterous is actually beneficial at all.

So training gear breaks before all others? That seems strange.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

It was me.

Impale coming your way... you're the reason my shackle key turned in 2 prosperous scathing pieces today. ..getting shanked bruh.

I already planned to put a hospital room in my house.

Jaronking · August 2016

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Every trait in the game is better than prosperous even old exploration is better than it.

That part is debatable especially if you have all areas explorerd.. which is probably why they made it to prosperous so it can be used at anytime at any level for anything and been able to "benefit" from it.

Yes it very debatable and I'll argue with you that it is wrong lol.Its not a good trait when you compare it to every other trait.Those have their uses for example training will help you grind to 50 faster I'd your a player who wants to get into end game content quickly.Well fitted cuts down the cost of dodge rolling,impen raises your crit resistance, Sharpened increases your armor pentration.I believe the reason people don't enjoy or appreciate prosperous is because it gives no combat bonuses or a way to get to the combat bonus.It gives a small amount of additional gold for a limited time.Which is negated by repair cost.If they replaced prosperous with another trait and combined it with training many players would appreciate the change.