AugustoCP wrote: »

No, it doesn't take "years". I'm almost done researching 9 traits on everything (already at at least 7 traits on everything, 8 on most) and it only took me a few months.

Not sure how up to date this is still (finished research a long time ago)

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Traits

Researching all traits for a single item will take between 77 days 19 hours 30 minutes and 127 days 18 hours, depending on the number of points invested in the appropriate skill and if you have ESO Plus. There are 6 different woodworking item types that can be researched, and 14 different clothing and blacksmithing item types that can be researched. This means that it will take an absolute minimum of 155 days and 15 hours (about five months) to research all woodworking traits, and roughly 355 days (about eleven and a half months) to research all clothing and blacksmithing traits.

I think the math is a little off. 14 items 3 at at a time and 77 hours per item. Actually comes out to 14/3 = 4.666. Round that up to 5 rounds of trait research which comes out to 77x5 = 385. Which is more than a year.

These's times assume you start a new research immediately after one ended.

Personally I'd rather see motif's be account wide. I started with one character as blacksmith and one as clothing/woodworking back when the game launched. Not knowing 2+ years later there would be dozens of motifs and their rarity makes it almost impossible to get one character let alone two.

I kind of feel like motifs bought via the crown store should at least give two books, instead of for one toon, considering their cost.
If you steadily research as you naturally play the content, you scarcely notice. My main has nearly every blacksmith trait researched on every armor and half the weapons, as well as the large majority of all the clothing done and almost all the woodworking done, and I started that character up in February.
If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun.

The_Linderman wrote: »

I kind of feel like motifs bought via the crown store should at least give two books, instead of for one toon, considering their cost.

That's an interesting thought. Or perhaps 3 copies of the book even for if you have separate blacksmith/clothing/woodworking characters. But they should definitely remain bound on acquire from the crown store so no one can sell those and are only useful on the same account divvied up among your own crafters.

Why do you need to research traits on all characters??

E-Zekiel wrote: »

I think it's a little much. IMO what they should do is cap research times at 1 day. Then I'd be content.

Yes I'm aware this'd make it so researching traits could be done in like a month, but I honestly think longer than that is freaking ridiculous.

If they were going to do that they might as well just scrap researching traits all together and just make it so anyone can craft anything without any requirements at all.

Danksta wrote: »

E-Zekiel wrote: »

I think it's a little much. IMO what they should do is cap research times at 1 day. Then I'd be content.

Yes I'm aware this'd make it so researching traits could be done in like a month, but I honestly think longer than that is freaking ridiculous.

If they were going to do that they might as well just scrap researching traits all together and just make it so anyone can craft anything without any requirements at all.

I'd be okay with that. I think obligatory timesinks are silly. I think any one trait taking longer than a day is even more silly.

*shrug* But I feel that for those that insist on timesinks, 1 day is a decent balance. Not unlike how mounts work.

First, the time to research all traits depends on whether it is done on one or more than one character. Spreading it takes considerably less than a year. Focusing all research on one character takes just a hair over a year. I know this from experience, having finished my last trait in April 2015, just over a year after the game released.

Regarding the timesink aspect of researching, I don't think it's really a player issue to have long research times. It' more that zos created a mechanic that would keep some players online, since there is a need to complete the research before quitting the game. It's not quite like mount training, since that was obviously extended with the intent of selling riding lessons. I have no doubt zos would sell 'research tokens' if they thought they could get away with it though.

As to making research account wide, there are good arguments on both sides. I'm finishing 8th traits on 2 alts right now. I won't train them in nirn, because not only is that expensive, but also because that trait has become essentially worthless. The only down side to researching on multiple alts is bank space for research items....a lot easier now with crafting bags. Since I've already done the research, it doesn't matter to me what happens with the system. Research was always too long, but if zos doesn't change that, players are no worse off than those like me who put in the time.

See. I'm more bugged by the fact I spent a ton of time farming gold to buy all my nirnhoned things to research for them to then nerf nirnhoned a week later. Now I see this about the next update.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/274961/pts-patch-notes-v2-5-0/p1

AVAILABLE TEMPLATES
We will be supplying four Shadows of the Hist character templates: one template per alliance that is level 49 and one alliance-agnostic template that is level 50 with 300 Champion Points. In addition, we’ve made some improvements to the crafting options included in templates:
All crafting lines except Provisioner will be maxed out. This will be addressed in a future PTS patch.
You will have full knowledge of all Equipment Traits, including Nirnhoned.
You will receive a new item, “The Ultimate Crafting Crate”. This crate contains:
10x of “The Alchemist’s Crate”
10x “The Crafter’s Materials Crate”
1x “Crafter’s Limitless Library”
1x “The Traveled Crafter’s Crate”
Their contents are as follows:
“The Alchemist’s Crate” contains 200x of every kind of Water, every kind of Alchemy Reagent, and every kind of Oil (used in poisoncrafting). This includes the new Reagents introduced with Poisoncrafting, as well.
“The Crafter’s Materials Crate” contains 200x of every kind of Refined Material, of every level, for Clothiers, Blacksmiths, and Woodworkers. It also contains 200x of each kind of improvement material.
“The Crafter’s Limitless Library” contains the full Style Book for every Style that your character does not know. This allows you to pick and choose which styles you’d like to learn, or you can just read all the books and learn everything.
“The Traveled Crafter’s Crate” contains 200x of every Trait item (including both Nirncrux variants), ever refined Style Item currently available, and 200x Crown Mimic Stones.

So if i waited three months I could have just bought a character that not only already can do all 9 traits. He has 200x of each type of nirn stone to start. Plus all other crafting mats

k9mouse wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with current time it takes to research. It helps to keep the boys from the man! If a player want to be a real crafter (thus add meaning to that title), do the time needed. I ALL the traits research forever now. It not bad to have long term goals to work towards.The harder an objective is; the rewarding the reward is.

I hope ZOS does NOT listen to such QQ that people who wants everything handed to them. The crafting times are fine in the way they are now.

I'll remember those words as I skillfully select an item and the trait, then press E twice to research it.

Dat waiting skill doe. Such clicking, much wow.

Asmael wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with current time it takes to research. It helps to keep the boys from the man! If a player want to be a real crafter (thus add meaning to that title), do the time needed. I ALL the traits research forever now. It not bad to have long term goals to work towards.The harder an objective is; the rewarding the reward is.

I hope ZOS does NOT listen to such QQ that people who wants everything handed to them. The crafting times are fine in the way they are now.

I'll remember those words as I skillfully select an item and the trait, then press E twice to research it.

Dat waiting skill doe. Such clicking, much wow.

Before you ask, I got 8 traits everywhere, just a few 9 missing.

I did my time also, plus I had to farm for gold to buy items to research way back when. I have been here since beta and never left. Items are dirt cheap now compared what I had to pay for them back during early access and beyond.

Ok. I was like WTF man? That isn't fair. That clears things up

k9mouse wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with current time it takes to research. It helps to keep the boys from the man! If a player want to be a real crafter (thus add meaning to that title), do the time needed. I ALL the traits research forever now. It not bad to have long term goals to work towards.The harder an objective is; the rewarding the reward is.

I hope ZOS does NOT listen to such QQ that people who wants everything handed to them. The crafting times are fine in the way they are now.

It is not rewarding at all to research. I can literally select 3 things from each tree and log off for a week and come back. Rinse and repeat. Getting CP takes less time than researching traits and they're account wide....

Also, mount speed should be account wide. Bc honestly, the most painful thing about a new toon is how slow the mount is. #getonboardthetriggertrain

I know about time sinks. Played EQ from launch for almost a decade. Pure melee at that. Maybe it's because of that I cringe at research being so long.(and no, I don't begrudge the new players there that jump to lvl 80 with tons of AA Just because I struggled through the hard parts.) A year is a bit...steep. hats off to everyone that's done it but if it were shortened or just made account wide I wouldn't complain /grin. Crafting for me is about 1/3 of the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

You should be happy that research time is real time ( you continue to research when not playing ), instead of only when logged in on that toon.

Shhh, don't give zos any ideas lol.