Player who remove clear guild banks and then disaper

rentalman UK · August 2016

We are a small guild generated from other guilds we are very mic social and give all players access to the guild bank as we are small and all rare sets that 1 player does not need is banked on guild bank for other players. 1 such player is named removed to avoid hate or disrespect who went into the guild bank and removed 124 rare items. This has been reported to eso and Microsoft both sighting that they will investigate but not advise the outcome of the investigation. Why as a guild can we not be advised on the outcome. We can provide evidence of the crime but we do not now what the punishment is if any. Does that mean theft from guilds is acceptable on this game. As I thought theft is a crime and needs to be irradiated as this is a player multi verse game. And should not be abused. So that the genuine platers who spend a lot 9f time on this game do not feel violated. Please eso address this maybe a banned gamer tag Tisted with offences so the guilds can have a prevention and not look for a time consuming cure. We are aware that we can block the player from our guild but only after the crime. How does that make sense. Please look into th8s as guild access abuse is common and I am sure many guilds and their members get ripped off to no avail. I look forward to the responses and suggestions

Thanking you in advance
Rentalman UK
The last white soul man guild eu server

DPShiro · August 2016

If you gave him access to the guild bank there is no wrong doing in terms of ToS, and nothing will be done.
Just be careful who you give access to in the future.

mmcgibbo · August 2016

I can't help but to laugh at this post even though I know you're serious. Are you saying theft as in something you could press charges against this guy for? Lol dude it's a game and you left the bank open there's nothing you can do about it.

x_Nathan_F · August 2016

Dont give everyone access to the guild bank, only give to people you trust 100%. This is your fault as well for giving him access.

rentalman UK · August 2016

No it is a advise notice to avoid the same happening. To your guild we are a open guild and the items in the bank are one man's rubbish and another man's treasure. But don't take this ***. The idea of this post is prevention for your guilds people who take liberties should be named then it is the choice of your guild what access you want to give them. This is a heads up not a heads off lol. A guild bank is for the guild members we will learn but the whole idea is to name and prevent this happening in your guilds. I now we were loose now we like leaned a lesson. Lol at the expense of out hard working guild members. U now us Nathan f we just play.

SantieClaws · August 2016

The gods nor the guards will intervene in the problem of guild bank robbery.

All you can do it limit bank access to those you know and trust. Khajiit is quite trustworthy yes!

A better system is needed for the guild banks where you could set the different limits of access to the different guild ranks. That way a robber would only be able to get away with a limited amount of goods and cash.

This is a problem in Tamriel. It should not be but all of the worlds - even Tamriel - have their share of what this ones mother she would call 'wrong ones'.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

MokiDono · August 2016

Well, this is a learning experience i guess, because i doubt that CS will restore gear or gold to your guildbank. Cause then, anyone can just let his/her friend "steal everything" from their guildbank, and then ask CS to restore, dupe everything... and there, endless source of gear, mats, gold whatever. And even tracking items wouldn't help with that. Laundering gear, gold is possible, even in this game.

You have to be careful next time.

rentalman UK · August 2016

You are absolutely correct access wrights limits eg green only blue and green purple

You have a very good point thanks for reply

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2016

You should remove the player's name from your post, otherwise there might be some actions taken against you since naming & shaming is not allowed on the forum.

Panth141 · August 2016

rentalman UK wrote: »

needs to be irradiated

Would you prefer to use my Death Ray or sharks with lasers on their heads?

mobicera · August 2016

I find the majority of the responses quite disheartening, people had items stolen, were used by another and some how it is the fault of the one wronged. Something is quite wrong with the picture painted here, I mean seriously wrong.
OP I am sorry for the strife and suffering this person has caused you, and I sincerely wish I could replace the items for you, but alas I am powerless to offer you anything but my empathy and sympathy.
Hopefully this experience doesn't persuade you to trust no one within this game.

starkerealm · August 2016

mobicera wrote: »

I find the majority of the responses quite disheartening, people had items stolen, were used by another and some how it is the fault of the one wronged. Something is quite wrong with the picture painted here, I mean seriously wrong.

Honestly? They're not wrong. This is kind of like leaving your car unlocked, and then complaining when some stranger wanders by, chooses to rifle through it, and takes your stuff.

Yes, it sucks. But, you're not without blame.

There are literally tens of thousands of stories out there, like @rentalman UK's, spread across multiple MMOs. He has control over the guild's permissions, and bank access. He allowed someone he shouldn't have to pick and choose off the menu. They decided to take everything and run. That is, ultimately, on him. He gave them the authority to do that, and they followed through.

rentalman UK · August 2016

I have removed the persons gamer tag as a act of kindness as a mark of maturity. Thank you for asking me to remove the name was just hacked off. As eso and Microsoft say they will investigate but not disclose any outcome. There should be a list to name and shame dubject to valid excessive proffered eichmann we gave 16 pages of. Moving forward the guild members list there items that they may have needed as one man's rubbish is another man's treasure I did not lose anything but it is about the guild and not me hence these posts. I do not like to [SNIP]. But awareness avoids ignorance. A lot of my friends are guild masters of there guilds and this is just a heads up. They may not be bad people and each should judge on their own merit not bitterness based others ( this is me being civilised) lol

Thanks all for all the posts your time is appreciated

Regards and thanks again

[Edited for Profanity]

rentalman UK · August 2016

Actually stark as much as I appreciate your comments I am not the guild master. He is on holiday lol . But as 25 of us made the guilds as a players mic social guild I seem to have a voice and am just venting. U are correct record open access but we trust all but moving forward we will be more cautions

Thanks anyway for reply all replies are appreciated even when negative

starkerealm · August 2016

rentalman UK wrote: »

I have removed the persons gamer tag as a act of kindness as a mark of maturity.

The problem with naming and shaming is... we're in no position to evaluate the veracity of your claims. There's no way to know if your guild bank was actually hit, or if you're simply cheesed off at someone for completely unrelated reasons.

I remember reading threads where someone's gone, "This one player's a bot, I can prove it." And then six or seven posts later you have the guy they're accusing coming in saying, "hey, I was just grinding, and then you started swearing at me."

Hell, I remember someone threatening to report me because I screwed up their grinding rotation in Old Orsinium... which, I didn't, and I was just running the quest. It's not much of a leap to believe that somewhere, some irked 13 year old, posted that I was a bank thief, in retribution on these boards.

So, yeah, there's real reasons not to name and shame... beyond it simply being against the rules.

starkerealm · August 2016

rentalman UK wrote: »

Actually stark as much as I appreciate your comments I am not the guild master. He is on holiday lol . But as 25 of us made the guilds as a players mic social guild I seem to have a voice and am just venting. U are correct record open access but we trust all but moving forward we will be more cautions

Thanks anyway for reply all replies are appreciated even when negative

As much as it sucks, that's all you can do. The easiest safety measure is to make sure your guild has a recruit rank with no bank access. Then a member rank above that. You can promote people to full member after a couple days, once you've gotten to know them. But that will massively cut down your risk of getting hit by a bank thief.

Most guilds restrict bank access to officers or leadership. If someone needs something, they can ask for it, but only the most trusted members can interact with it.

Obviously, you pick what feels right for your guild, but those are your options.

Saoirse_Siobhan · August 2016

I've seen a few posts in zone chat or guild chat warning against inviting a certain player known to empty guild banks. This was quite a few months ago though.
Maybe something should be implemented like you can only withdraw a certain number of materials and items within a certain timeframe? Except for guild officers of course.

rentalman UK · August 2016

Very good idea or as suggested earlier ranks with level withdrawal eg 1st level white items 2nd level white and green
3rd white green blue
4th white green blue purple

Seems a good way for avoidance as a guild us supposed to be togetherness. So guild members do not feel left out and helps frequent participation

ArchMikem · August 2016

ZOS isn't going to do much of anything about this since access to the bank was given to the thief willingly, and Microsoft isn't going to do bleep all cause they don't meddle in the internal affairs of individual games.

My Guild is very social as well, though our GM is careful in who he gives out his trust to. Only those people he's actually played with, such as done dungeon runs, gone into cyrodiil, donated Gold to the guild, and talked to heavily over Guild chat gets a rank in the Guild that allows Bank access. It's only the smart thing to do.

Milvan · August 2016

Well, as Maquiavel used to say, *** mo homini lupus, or perharps it was Thomas Hobbes? Plato? Well, I don't really remember.

But really bro, I'm all for horizontal managed guilds and trusting my comrades, but you gave him permisson to do it. Of course the system could be more elaborated and there could be more layers of permissions, but it don't and we need to adjust to that.

rentalman UK · August 2016

I appreciate comments as just brooding lol but I am a guild officer guild master on hols and venting on me and venting here lol yes we are 2 trusting and will learn thanks all for comments posts etc all comments are valuable

Acharnor · August 2016

I know alot of folks won't have sympathy for you and attribute it to your own decision making in giving access but this does not change the fact that this type of player is the worst kind of scum!

KaleidoscopeEyz · August 2016

Unfortunately for you and your guild nothing will happen as no crime was committed. If you give players access to your bank, they can withdraw from it however they want. If it means wiping it clean then so be it. My suggestion to avoid this would be to not give people access to withdraw unless you really know them and trust them but it's a risk you take.

nine9six · August 2016

Much needed overhaul.

Which means it'll never happen.

Sorry to hear about your loss. Hopefully, he comes home one day and his apartment is empty save for his Fleshlight.

Hey, I'm not evil...

KochDerDamonen · August 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I find the majority of the responses quite disheartening, people had items stolen, were used by another and some how it is the fault of the one wronged. Something is quite wrong with the picture painted here, I mean seriously wrong.

Honestly? They're not wrong. This is kind of like leaving your car unlocked, and then complaining when some stranger wanders by, chooses to rifle through it, and takes your stuff.

Yes, it sucks. But, you're not without blame.

There are literally tens of thousands of stories out there, like @rentalman UK's, spread across multiple MMOs. He has control over the guild's permissions, and bank access. He allowed someone he shouldn't have to pick and choose off the menu. They decided to take everything and run. That is, ultimately, on him. He gave them the authority to do that, and they followed through.

It's not even comparable to that. It's like complaining that your kid raided the fridge when he moved out. The guildbank has simple 'rights' atm, which is the problem. When you give someone the ability to withdraw, you're saying that you trust them and they can take what they want. You should be able to have tiers of this, allowing numbers or types of items to be taken to limit the access of people without removing the option entirely.

Bonzodog01 · August 2016

It's interesting to note that on the Xbox One EU server, there is actually a guild made up of "bank robbers", who are an entire group of like-minded individuals that specialise in tricking their way into withdrawal access to guild banks, then cleaning them out of anything valuable before promptly leaving.

SantieClaws · August 2016

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

It's interesting to note that on the Xbox One EU server, there is actually a guild made up of "bank robbers", who are an entire group of like-minded individuals that specialise in tricking their way into withdrawal access to guild banks, then cleaning them out of anything valuable before promptly leaving.

Khajiit can only hope that one day they wake up to find their own bank empty ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

elvenmad · August 2016

This happens in EVERY mmorpg which has 'guild's and has done for 15+ years ,
its like putting 300 random kid's off the street in a candy store and saying "don't touch"

It is really sad to hear when this happens, but this is why Guilds have rank systems with different bank access privileges, its there for a reason...........for scum like this.

I have run many guilds in multiple games over the past 15 years and in a perfect world all members should be able to trust each other and make it work how it was always designed to work the guild bank should be available for ALL members to use and share things they don't need, its there for everybody to help each other, but this kind of thing happens all too often.

In most of my guilds I have always had a number of trusted officers, usually players who are online often and they have full access while 'normal' members can only deposit, if they need something they can either ask a officer or mail the a withdraw request if they are offline, I really hate putting access restrictions on people BUT it is for there own benefit, you never know if there is a bank robber amongst you UNTIL its too late.

DeadDealer · August 2016

only a problem of stupidity of Guild Master

L2P

Milvan · August 2016

DeadDealer wrote: »

only a problem of stupidity of Guild Master

L2P

illusionarythade · August 2016

I am sorry you had your trust abused, however honestly this is a situation of your own making. There is a Guild Ranking system in place and you are playing an Online game with thousands of other players, quite frankly they are not all nice people and it is a legitimate career in almost all MMO's I have played to go around stealing from Guilds. It is extremely common and very likely to happen if you just keep your bank vault open and say "No," its like asking a dog not to touch the treat you put in front of it requires trust and friendship from both sides. Some healthy paranoia is not shameful, it is sensible. Use the Ranking system it really works.