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Black Rose is OP
SRIBES
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You're pretty much gimping yourself if you don't use it as a stamina build. Heavy armor is balanced without black rose but OP with it, needs a nerf.
Black rose = fotm
That's the reason it's a problem, it's FOTM. Looking back on the game a few updates ago stamina builds were using a variety of different sets, now it's just black rose or gtfo. The addition to all these new sets is awesome for the game, it was opening up opportunities for players to have different and unique builds but this just isn't the case for stamina builds.
Ya ya ya
Ya good?
Let us take a gander into its set bonuses.
(2 Piece) 1064 health
(3 Piece) 967 Stamina
(4 Piece) 967 Stamina
(5 Piece) Increases magic and stamina return from the constitution passive by 40% AND adds 154 weapon damage.
*It is essentially giving 400+ stamina/magic back every four seconds if the player is in 7 heavy, on top of this it gives x2 max stamina, weapon damage, and health. This increases the users damage, tankiness, and sustain all in one set; it is just to much. It's a must for all stamina builds.*
Proposed Solution:
•Reducing the amount of sustain it gives via the constitution passive from 40% to 25%
•Replacing the third piece that gives maximum stamina to give maximum magicka instead.
•Remove the 5th piece that gives weapon damage OR change it to give spell damage?
This alters the set so it is now opened up magicka users but also makes it less viable for stamina users. The set gives to many utilities causing it to be OP, there isn't a better option if you're going for a small scale stamina build approach. It's just another BIS item set. Nerf black rose.
Edited by SRIBES on August 8, 2016 8:38PM Black rose = fotm
That's the reason it's a problem, it's FOTM. Looking back on the game a few updates ago stamina builds were using a variety of different sets, now it's just black rose or gtfo. The addition to all these new sets is awesome for the game, it was opening up opportunities for players to have different and unique builds but this just isn't the case for stamina builds.
Ya ya ya
Ya good?
Let us take a gander into its set bonuses.
(2 Piece) 1064 health
(3 Piece) 967 Stamina
(4 Piece) 967 Stamina
(5 Piece) Increases magic and stamina return from the constitution passive by 40% AND adds 154 weapon damage.
*It is essentially giving 400+ stamina/magic back every four seconds if the player is in 7 heavy, on top of this it gives x2 max stamina, weapon damage, and health. This increases the users damage, tankiness, and sustain all in one set; it is just to much. It's a must for all stamina builds.*
Proposed Solution:
•Reducing the amount of sustain it gives via the constitution passive from 40% to 25%
•Replacing the third piece that gives maximum stamina to give maximum magicka instead.
•Remove the 5th piece that gives weapon damage OR change it to give spell damage?
This alters the set so it is now opened up magicka users but also makes it less viable for stamina users. The set gives to many utilities causing it to be OP, there isn't a better option if you're going for a small scale stamina build approach. It's just another BIS item set. Nerf black rose.
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✭✭✭Lolwut?
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ya good?
Don't nerf mah stuff bruh.Why have damage when you can have damage, sustain and tankiness all in one pack...PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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✭✭✭✭✭Black rose easily outshines any other heavy armor set, once a set does this, the other sets must be adjusted etc
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Black rose easily outshines any other heavy armor set, once a set does this, the other sets must be adjusted etc
NO. The last thing we need is more buffs and op ***. This game is already dumbed down and skilless enough.Black Rose for PVP OP
Black Rose for PVE Tank OP
Hmm OP?
U could say that again....
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✭✭✭Just a reminder that I have a 5% discount on my inflated prices for Black Rose in Rawl.
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✭Nah, the set already got nerfed on the Dark Brotherhood PTS, it's good as is. No need to start swinging the nerf hammer the moment heavy armor becomes viable.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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SRIBES✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »Nah, the set already got nerfed on the Dark Brotherhood PTS, it's good as is. No need to start swinging the nerf hammer the moment heavy armor becomes viable.
Heavy armor is viable without it. Every stamina build and their mother is using black rose, it's OP asf. 10% is hardly a nerf to the set.1 -
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✭✭Why is saying ya a thing now on alliance forums. Is everyone friends in game and just sit in team speak saying ya to each other?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭You're pretty much gimping yourself if you don't use it as a stamina build. Heavy armor is balanced without black rose but OP with it, needs a nerf.
Black rose = fotm
Ya ya ya
Ya good?
No, it's not only Black Rose that is OP. Heavy armor in general is overbuffed.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
SRIBES✭✭✭✭✭Why is saying ya a thing now on alliance forums. Is everyone friends in game and just sit in team speak saying ya to each other?
Ya
The information on ya is unclear and strange, on the contrary the origin of it is not. It all began when little sribes started this thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268300/best-player-na/p1Edited by SRIBES on August 8, 2016 5:55PM0 -
KisoValley✭✭✭✭✭Why is saying ya a thing now on alliance forums. Is everyone friends in game and just sit in team speak saying ya to each other?
Seen quite a few NA players do it on different games, not just this game. Seen Ok, Average, Decent etc. and on this game it seems to be Ya.
As for the topic, BR already got nerfed, the set isn't the problem, heavy armour got overbuffed, that's the problem. I know quite a few people who ran BR pre patch who were good, yet now they're gods even with BR being nerfed, simply because of the changes to heavy armour.Edited by [Deleted User] on August 8, 2016 8:16PM0 -
Tormy✭✭✭Heavy armor didn't really get over buffed tho for stam dps and pvp medium armor is still much better. I'm assuming OP is running a "one shot" nb build and running into some heavy armor builds and now QQing11
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Chuga_Rei✭✭✭✭✭I got asked why i would waste my tel var on "that crappy set" like 6 weeks ago.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭How much stamina and magicka per second does blackrose provide? In general could you explain why this set is OP/ needs nerfing?Edited by Armitas on August 8, 2016 6:55PMRetired.
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✭✭Blackrose is balanced for heavy magic tanks. Can we balance it without making it useless for magic DK please?7 -
Ashnunn✭✭✭Why do we have to nerf everything that gives survivability in this game? lets just make it so we stand across from each other and spam attack until the other person dies.... sounds like a much better game.
#NERFANYTHINGTHATGIVESDEFENCE
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SRIBES✭✭✭✭✭Why do we have to nerf everything that gives survivability in this game? lets just make it so we stand across from each other and spam attack until the other person dies.... sounds like a much better game.
#NERFANYTHINGTHATGIVESDEFENCE
I'm not asking to nerf everything that gives survivability. If you actually read the post maybe you would understand the set also gives damage and makes you tanky. It's the FOTM set for stamina builds and is just OP in general. We might as well just remove all the sets that aren't FOTM because that's what the game has come down to.
#REMOVEEVERYSETINTHEGAMETHATISN'TFOTMEdited by SRIBES on August 8, 2016 7:48PM1 -
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✭Sad ppl spend tons of gold and time maximizing their build get crushed by forum warriors. Buff other heavy armor sets. No I don't have or use black rose.Edited by DHale on August 8, 2016 7:53PMSorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.10 -
Magus✭✭✭✭✭I've been meaning to try black rose for a while but since you mention it's OP, I will give it a try right away. Thanks? Not sure what your agenda is here.Edited by [Deleted User] on August 8, 2016 9:02PMDuraeon / Maoh
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*It is essentially giving 450 stamina/magic back per second if the player is in 7 heavy, on top of this it gives x2 max stamina, weapon damage, and health. This increases the users damage, tankiness, and sustain all in one set; it is just to much. It's a must for all stamina builds.*
It's not per second. It's once every 4 seconds. I don't remember it increasing constitution by 450, but if that is the number then 450 S/M divided by 4 is 112.5 Stamina and Magicka a theoretical second which is not increased by CP or 20% magicka recovery from potions. It also only occurs if you get hit, so if you are chasing someone while attacking you have 0 recovery.
Look at amberplasm, it gives max magicka, crit, spell damage, and 300 stamina and magicka recovery which is (should) be increased by CP and recovery buffs such as from potions. Even with all that recovery it comes with cost reduction and more recovery via the passives for wearing it.Edited by Armitas on August 8, 2016 8:09PMRetired.
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*It is essentially giving 450 stamina/magic back per second if the player is in 7 heavy, on top of this it gives x2 max stamina, weapon damage, and health. This increases the users damage, tankiness, and sustain all in one set; it is just to much. It's a must for all stamina builds.*
It's not per second. It's once every 4 seconds. I don't remember it increasing constitution by 450, but if that is the number then 450 S/M divided by 4 is 112.5 Stamina and Magicka a theoretical second which is not increased by CP or 20% magicka recovery from potions (forget what that buff is called). It also only occurs if you get hit, so if you are chasing someone while attacking you have 0 recovery.
Look at amberplasm, it gives max magicka, crit, spell damage, and 300 stamina and magicka recovery which is (should) be increased by CP and recovery buffs such as from potions. Even with all that recovery it comes with cost reduction and more recovery via the passives for wearing it.
100% agree and to be honest, I much prefer these block heroes in heavy armor but I don't play a ganker build (which is why so much QQ about heavy armor lately). Just have someone fear them and time a burst and they die pretty easily. Way easier to kill than the roll dodge spammers in medium running eternal hunt and shadow image.Duraeon / Maoh
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✭✭✭I wear Black Rose and I died, does that mean it needs a buff?
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