NOT an auction house. A mini public trader.

Cryptical · July 2016

How about a publicly accessible trader?

Able to have about 5 listings at a time, so it doesn't compare to the 30 you have with your guild.

But open to everyone in the alliance, so while each individual has few listings the trader can have HUNDREDS of people selling things.

People who sell fewer things, and cannot get into one of the Big Money trader guilds, can still have a venue without walking around spamming the chat.

People who are gouging through those trade guilds will have to wake the f up and mend their ways, because there will be viable competition through the Public Trader

Cryptical · July 2016

Stick it in the main city of the alliance's 4th or 5th zone. Keep the lag of those main population hubs to a minimum by spreading the players out over a wider area.

TechnoDreamVision · August 2016

I like your idea but I would like to add some other points. Sale of 3 items in 3-days time period or sale of 5 items in 5-days time period. If all your items sells and you put 3 or 5 more for sale and if all items do not sell you cannot use the trader for penalty period of some length of days. I would limit quality from white to blue and minimum sale price has to be doubled what the item is worth. From my personal experience, farming for purple and gold-quality items are very time consuming and I believe the sellers have a right to place that item for sale for their asking price (of course the buyers have to be educated shoppers). Additionally, I would limit the postings to 2,000 to 3,000 items and I would have one non-guild public trader in the last zone in the alliance. I see that trader’s location a freebooter/privateer zone and players have to fight or sneak their way to get and out there. Players should have some decent combat skills or evasive skills to get there – think of it as an award for people with low level characters with not much gold playing the game to get the chance to buy good gear/mats for not much money.

Lysette · August 2016

How about simpler than this - the fences in outlaw refuges could buy stuff at half the average market price - ZOS would have to find this market price of course, what are database queries basically - so they should not happen live during the servers are open to the public, but during a maintenance run - every week - and anyone can sell goods then at half the market price to a fence instead - so there is no listing required, but it comes at the cost of getting just half as much as via a guild trader.

This said, there is a problem with this, because there could be inflation if too many are using this - so the amount of what can be sold like this should be limited - maybe a certain amount per week - this could be easily monitored.

Danikat · August 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

How about a publicly accessible trader?

Able to have about 5 listings at a time, so it doesn't compare to the 30 you have with your guild.

But open to everyone in the alliance, so while each individual has few listings the trader can have HUNDREDS of people selling things.

People who sell fewer things, and cannot get into one of the Big Money trader guilds, can still have a venue without walking around spamming the chat.

People who are gouging through those trade guilds will have to wake the f up and mend their ways, because there will be viable competition through the Public Trader

I like this idea. I think it would be a good compromise between the normal system of having a universal trade system and the one ZOS decided on instead.

Milvan · August 2016

I can't understand all the hate towards the guild vendors and why you guys want to change it so much.

I think is great the way it is now. Trade guilds are great for socializing, they have raffles, auctions and all sort of stuff to make money to get they guild vendors and the taxes aren't even that high.

Lysette · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

I can't understand all the hate towards the guild vendors and why you guys want to change it so much.

I think is great the way it is now. Trade guilds are great for socializing, they have raffles, auctions and all sort of stuff to make money to get they guild vendors and the taxes aren't even that high.

Simple, there are a whole lot of new players, who have no way to sell anything other then to a merchant which gives them like nothing for it. They basically have to farm and do writs or steal and sell to fences to make some money.

Sometimes I am really happy, that I am as well in a russian guild, they trade nothing at all - they give it away, when they do not need it, send it to guildies for them to use.

Danikat · August 2016

The taxes are extremely high if you're a low level, occasional player. I was able to find a trade guild that doesn't charge taxes, but that means they don't have a trader so I'm only able to sell to people in the guild and what they buy is fairly limited.

But it actually bothers me more when I'm trying to buy things. If someone in my guild isn't selling it my only option is to search traders in multiple locations hoping I come across what I want and it's not insanely over priced when I do. And if I don't find it that means I have to start all over again.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't used to Guild Wars 2 where I can open the Trading Post interface from anywhere in the game, search for any item and see every single one currently for sale, choose to buy any amount I want at the lowest price or put in an offer for the amount I want to pay and then pick it up when I get to a city.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

oh look, another one...

Milvan · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

(...) who have no way to sell anything other (...)

I'm sorry, but how they don't have a way to sell anything?

- They can join a trade guild;
- It don't even need to be a trade guild, just a guild with a guild vendor;
- They can still spam WTS on the zone chat, if they offer the proper price, they will sell it really fast.

There's ways to sell it, don't say that there isn't because there is. I'm not a great trader myself, but I'm part of two big trade guilds with well located nice and sexy guild vendors and they never ever have treated me with mandatory contribuitions etc.

I still don't understand why people hate on the current guild vendor system so much.

Lysette · August 2016

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

Lysette · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

(...) who have no way to sell anything other (...)

I'm sorry, but how they don't have a way to sell anything?

- They can join a trade guild;
- It don't even need to be a trade guild, just a guild with a guild vendor;
- They can still spam WTS on the zone chat, if they offer the proper price, they will sell it really fast.

There's ways to sell it, don't say that there isn't because there is. I'm not a great trader myself, but I'm part of two big trade guilds with well located nice and sexy guild vendors and they never ever have treated me with mandatory contribuitions etc.

I still don't understand why people hate on the current guild vendor system so much.

This WTS and WTB in zone chat is spam - no one likes that and someone with some decency will not do it like that. And guilds with a trader require you to regularily sell stuff and contribute to the guild trader - but a lot have not enough to sell to fulfill the requirements, because they are not farmer or crafters, but just players, who want to play the game - those need a way to get reasonable prices for their few goods as well, and not just a few gold coins from a merchant.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

Lysette · August 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

Milvan · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

(...) And guilds with a trader require you to regularily sell stuff and contribute to the guild trader - but a lot have not enough to sell to fulfill the requirements, because they are not farmer or crafters, but just players, who want to play the game - those need a way to get reasonable prices for their few goods as well, and not just a few gold coins from a merchant.

C'mon! Most of the guilds requires like what? 5k per week of taxes or donation, 15k tops? And most of them won't really kick you if you don't contribute. If you can't make 5~15k of tax sales or donation in a week, perharps you should reavaluate your trading techniques.

The guild vendor system makes guild works together to keep their guild vendors running, and you must contribute of course. Most of them are friendly, even the ones in Rawl'ka. Of course there is some abusive ones out there too, but you don't have to stick with them.

Please Zos, don't change it, the system is great the way it is now.

Lysette · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

(...) And guilds with a trader require you to regularily sell stuff and contribute to the guild trader - but a lot have not enough to sell to fulfill the requirements, because they are not farmer or crafters, but just players, who want to play the game - those need a way to get reasonable prices for their few goods as well, and not just a few gold coins from a merchant.

C'mon! Most of the guilds requires like what? 5k per week of taxes or donation, 15k tops? And most of them won't really kick you if you don't contribute. If you can't make 5~15k of tax sales or donation in a week, perharps you should reavaluate your trading techniques.

The guild vendor system makes guild works together to keep their guild vendors running, and you must contribute of course. Most of them are friendly, even the ones in Rawl'ka. Of course there is some abusive ones out there too, but you don't have to stick with them.

Please Zos, don't change it, the system is great the way it is now.

and what about people who have just stuff for about 2000 gold to sell per week - those have no reasonable way to get the value of their stuff - 5-15k, I said those who are neither farmers nor crafters - who just want to sell some stuff they got. No one wants to buy that - that is why we need something else.

You say trading techniques, but these are people who do not have any intention to be a trader nor learn any trading stuff - they just want to get some decent money for the few items they have. And nothing really supports this in this game.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

(...) who have no way to sell anything other (...)

I'm sorry, but how they don't have a way to sell anything?

- They can join a trade guild;
- It don't even need to be a trade guild, just a guild with a guild vendor;
- They can still spam WTS on the zone chat, if they offer the proper price, they will sell it really fast.

There's ways to sell it, don't say that there isn't because there is. I'm not a great trader myself, but I'm part of two big trade guilds with well located nice and sexy guild vendors and they never ever have treated me with mandatory contribuitions etc.

I still don't understand why people hate on the current guild vendor system so much.

Im in the same boat. In 3 trading guilds. Two have shops in wayrest. One is in Mournhold. So in assuming these are atleast on the bigger side for trading guilds? They all randomly recruit. And the only rules pretty much seem to be, to be considered active and avoid a purge you must sell or buy atleast one thing from the guild store. Or buy a weekly raffle ticket 1k-2k depending on guild.

But i guess there are jerky guild leaders out there, because it doesnt really seem like something people would make up.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Lysette · August 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins. You cannot expect that everyone is interested into being a trader or finding methods to sell stuff - they are simple people, they want to play and get some coins for their stuff.

Potenza · August 2016

Yes to this. Don't have to rely only on being in a trading guild to sell things.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins.

Ok now im confused. So your complaint is merchants dont pay enough for items? Or that people wont buy things that arent worth anything?

Milvan · August 2016

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes to this. Don't have to rely only on being in a trading guild to sell things.

Well, you currently don't have. But it's kind more efficient.

Lysette · August 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins.

Ok now im confused. So your complaint is merchants dont pay enough for items? Or that people wont buy things that arent worth anything?

It is both - there are a lot who are not in a trading guild because they would never have enough stuff to sell to fulfill the requirements - and their other option is merchants - which give them like 0-19 coins for their stuff - new players, I was talking about new ones - older players have their money, but new ones are screwed, if they do not have a trader mind.

Makes me wonder how many just give up on this game, because they cannot earn money - just because ZOS was again not generous enough to let merchants give them some decent price for their stuff - and not just 0-19 - that 0 is so typically ZOS.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes to this. Don't have to rely only on being in a trading guild to sell things.

Well, you currently don't have. But it's kind more efficient.

Agreed. I like to sell things, and buy more things! But i also dont want to play Auctionhouse the MMO. Standing around in town yelling and buying how exciting!

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins. You cannot expect that everyone is interested into being a trader or finding methods to sell stuff - they are simple people, they want to play and get some coins for their stuff.

i hate saying this... but for those people it really is a matter of learn to play. do some research, look at the big guild traders see what is being offered for sale and what isn't..

going to do a delve or a trial? you need to learn what works and what doesn't.

trading is the same....

cravnbeer · August 2016

Guild traders is one of the best trade systems in a MMO. I do not see why people find it so difficult. Just join a Trade guild and sell or if you want to start one be my guest just note running a trade guild is not easy.

Guilds are rarely at max capacity so joining one should not be difficult.

Lysette · August 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins. You cannot expect that everyone is interested into being a trader or finding methods to sell stuff - they are simple people, they want to play and get some coins for their stuff.

i hate saying this... but for those people it really is a matter of learn to play. do some research, look at the big guild traders see what is being offered for sale and what isn't..

going to do a delve or a trial? you need to learn what works and what doesn't.

trading is the same....

I know this, because I play EVE for long enough - since 2008 - and production, industry and trade is my thing - but I know as well people by this - and a lot have no interest in business stuff at all - they just want to sell and get something for it, what they deem worth it - even it is still underpriced what they get - but at least they deem it worthy - not so in ESO, what you get from a merchant is just rude - and so typically ZOS - they shoot into their own foot with it - people who are not interested into trading stuff will just give up and play something else, where they can earn money easily.

Milvan · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

(...) there are a lot who are not in a trading guild because they would never have enough stuff to sell to fulfill the requirements

As many of us stated in many topics and in this very discussion, you are judging the whole because of a tiny small part. There is hardcore trade guild out there? Yes, but most of them (even the ones in Rawl'ka)are friendly to all players and requires non-significant contributions.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes to this. Don't have to rely only on being in a trading guild to sell things.

but that is the case already...

Lysette · August 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

(...) there are a lot who are not in a trading guild because they would never have enough stuff to sell to fulfill the requirements

As many of us stated in many topics and in this very discussion, you are judging the whole because of a tiny small part. There is hardcore trade guild out there? Yes, but most of them (even the ones in Rawl'ka)are friendly to all players and requires non-significant contributions.

Like was said before - 2-5k - or 15k - that is a joke for someone who has just a few items to sell, which might not even get him 2k gold. These people are left alone with this system and they will most likely leave, if they cannot get money for their stuff, which they deem worth the effort.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, that is a problem I have seen in my guild, which I inherited - all just want to sell, no one wants to buy - this way it will never work without a guild trader. The only person who bought something was me. The problem is less the system, the problem is people and their greedy nature.

that's the thing.... the only way you make sales is if you offer something that people want to buy.

the idea that an ah or some variation is going to be a panacea for all those people who say they can't sell stuff is just plain nonsense.

ooh look i got this blue weapon drop i'll sell that... no you won't. the reason you won't is that several hundred thousand other people also got the same drop.

it has nothing to do with greed or any other human frailty.... it is the simple fact that to make a sale you have to offer something that someone wants to buy.

but a guild without a guild trader where all members just want to sell stuff, cannot work - and that is the case with many - how many who are in a guild are in that guild to buy?- they join with the intention to sell - because they could buy before without to be in the guild - so their reasoning is "I join this guild to sell stuff".

And this is the problem with this system - it collects members who want to sell, but not to buy - because if they would want to mainly buy, they would not need to be in a guild.

yes.... but it has to be something that there is a market for.....that people want to buy.

i have been in random guilds that have no trader but do have store. i always look to see what is on offer..... most of the time it is just junk that should either have been deconstructed or sold to npc.

i have even seen people try to sell the recipe that you are given free when you start the provisioning writs.

Yes, this are exactly the people I am talking about - they have no clue about markets nor do they want to have one, they just want some coins for the stuff which is more than a merchant offers them, which is like nothing at all - a few coins.

Ok now im confused. So your complaint is merchants dont pay enough for items? Or that people wont buy things that arent worth anything?

It is both - there are a lot who are not in a trading guild because they would never have enough stuff to sell to fulfill the requirements - and their other option is merchants - which give them like 0-19 coins for their stuff - new players, I was talking about new ones - older players have their money, but new ones are screwed, if they do not have a trader mind.

Makes me wonder how many just give up on this game, because they cannot earn money - just because ZOS was again not generous enough to let merchants give them some decent price for their stuff - and not just 0-19 - that 0 is so typically ZOS.

I see. Thank you for expanding. And i agree as well. At least with the trader bit. Being a life time rpg player the idea of grinding out gold to purchase upgrades is not something that is unsual to me. But this game makes it near impossible. I remember starting and the first set of gear i ran across one piece was around 700 gold. I thought not bad. Then I noticed i was getting 1 gold a mob kill.

Anyway grinding isnt enough in this game to make money. You also have to find a way to sell what you gathered. And if you are just a normal player playing through the game chances are all you found is crap, and no one is going ro buy that.