The 7 Deadly Sets (Hunding's, Night Mother's, Julianos, Kena, Agility, Willpower, Clever Alchemist)

GrumpyDuckling · August 2016

ESO end-game content significantly encourages players to put together builds that pump out fast damage - which means that out of the 200+ total sets that the game boasts, we see a majority of players using some form of the 7 listed in the title (give or take a few that could be arguably be included - Morag Tong, Elegance, etc).

The issue with these high damage sets is not with the player base overvaluing them - it's with ZOS creating content that makes high damage sets almost exclusively the only way to play end-game content. We do not have much incentive to use many of the 200+ sets in the game - some of which could be really fun and interesting to use - because for most of us it's not worth significantly increasing the difficulty, for both ourselves and our teammates, by using a fun-but-weak set that hemorrhages DPS.

I'm optimistic that ZOS will be able to look at their numbers and see that most of their player population uses the same 7-15 sets while competing in end-game content, and make adjustments accordingly. It would be great to see an update which would give oomph to many unique and underused sets.

I think we can all agree that more set and build diversity - especially for end-game content - would be a welcomed benefit to the ESO experience.

Totalitarian · August 2016

One of the problems with many sets is that they aren't scaled up to cp 160.

However, ZOS has been doing a good job of rescaling trials and loot, so we've actually been seeing a lot more diversity in terms of sets. Now we see Dreugh King set, Vicious Ophedian from Sancum Ophedia, and we'll likely see a lot more sets from vDSA, AA, and Hel Ra.

I expect this trend to continue as ZOS continues to scale up loot.

Gilvoth · August 2016

noted [for reference], and thank you

psychotic13 · August 2016

I know what you mean, but with the last load of sets they upgraded with DB and now more this patch, we've had more choice now than in a long time.

There are a lot of sets now that will able to compete with the ones listed, necropotence, amberplasm, eternal hunt, vicious ophidian and the list goes on, and then there's also sets people use as tanks like bloodspawn and armor master and the same applies to healers for spell power cure

Xvorg · August 2016

Totalitarian wrote: »

One of the problems with many sets is that they aren't scaled up to cp 160.

However, ZOS has been doing a good job of rescaling trials and loot, so we've actually been seeing a lot more diversity in terms of sets. Now we see Dreugh King set, Vicious Ophedian from Sancum Ophedia, and we'll likely see a lot more sets from vDSA, AA, and Hel Ra.

I expect this trend to continue as ZOS continues to scale up loot.

Having things like clever alchemist, pariah transmutation or gossamer, I still don't understand why CP 100 sets such as Lord's Mail, Unsassailable or Soulshine are not revamped

X3ina · August 2016

Getting old sets up to cp 160 is good, but adding any piece available is nonsense. In the past we had to sacrifice something to get better in another thing, and now its just a gring. All you have to do is to slot setpiece X in a gearslot A.

Xvorg · August 2016

X3ina wrote: »

Getting old sets up to cp 160 is good, but adding any piece available is nonsense. In the past we had to sacrifice something to get better in another thing, and now its just a gring. All you have to do is to slot setpiece X in a gearslot A.

Yup.

Dreugh king's slayer 4 pcs was a good option to increace your wpn dmg, but you knew you had to sacrifice 1 LA pc to get the buff (2 heavy, necklace and sword).

Now it's in easy mode (jewelry, weapon + 1 pc armor) and gives you insane wpn dmg.

Ghettokid · August 2016

Well im stamplar dps and i use night mother, agility and kena. But i dont use hundings as 5piece even i could get 4k unpuffed wd with it. Imo eternal hunt and morkuldin are so much more fun to play than hundings. And i also think eternal is able to compete with hundings nowadays. Morkuldin isnt as good but I love to use it with ww.

Brutusmax1mus · August 2016

Eternal hunt can only compete in pvp, doesn't come close to Hundings on pve.

Qbiken · August 2016

So what exactly do you want ZOS to do? I can agree that a few sets are used more than others (do not see however how that´s a problem). The solution to this would be to buff other sets while leaving the sets that are mostly used alone.

GrumpyDuckling · August 2016

Qbiken wrote: »

So what exactly do you want ZOS to do? I can agree that a few sets are used more than others (do not see however how that´s a problem). The solution to this would be to buff other sets while leaving the sets that are mostly used alone.

Read the last sentence in the third paragraph from my original post"

"It would be great to see an update which would give oomph to many unique and underused sets."

In other words, make other sets more end-game viable.

kaithuzar · August 2016

Good write up, however, I believe there are many set combinations which ARE viable yet people haven't spent the time & GOLD to figure them out. It's ridiculously expensive to make a new build & you have no idea whether it's going to work for your playstyle or not. The few millionaires that are doing it may easily end up wasting their money because often times the people that know how to creatively come up with new awesome builds don't have the gold to do so & the people with the gold just aren't very good at new creative build ideas; it's rare to find someone with both.

Take cradle of shadows last boss for example. I stopped dps, put on more of a tanky setup & ran around gathering up all the blue orbs for my team. That allowed the healer & other dps to perform their respective job roles without worrying about dodging & becoming resource exhausted. Once I took on this role, the fight was easy & smooth.

Destyran · August 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

One of the problems with many sets is that they aren't scaled up to cp 160.

However, ZOS has been doing a good job of rescaling trials and loot, so we've actually been seeing a lot more diversity in terms of sets. Now we see Dreugh King set, Vicious Ophedian from Sancum Ophedia, and we'll likely see a lot more sets from vDSA, AA, and Hel Ra.

I expect this trend to continue as ZOS continues to scale up loot.

Having things like clever alchemist, pariah transmutation or gossamer, I still don't understand why CP 100 sets such as Lord's Mail, Unsassailable or Soulshine are not revamped

Templar op with soul shine!!! I wish!!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

One of the problems with many sets is that they aren't scaled up to cp 160.

However, ZOS has been doing a good job of rescaling trials and loot, so we've actually been seeing a lot more diversity in terms of sets. Now we see Dreugh King set, Vicious Ophedian from Sancum Ophedia, and we'll likely see a lot more sets from vDSA, AA, and Hel Ra.

I expect this trend to continue as ZOS continues to scale up loot.

Having things like clever alchemist, pariah transmutation or gossamer, I still don't understand why CP 100 sets such as Lord's Mail, Unsassailable or Soulshine are not revamped

Templar op with soul shine!!! I wish!!

Would not be better then the old julinanos/kena/willpower, at least accoring to this http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLink.php?itemid=44235&level=66&quality=5 . maybe if you combined them. but it is only an extra 210 and 129(altogether 339) Spell damage. This would make the old Willpower(189)=Molag(129)+torags(129)(447) still better. and that spell damage is up all the time. and you don't have to wear 2 heavy.

Dracane · August 2016

Better don't hope that ZoS makes adjustments. Because these adjustments will be lazy nerfs to named sets.

Jaronking · August 2016

You can't have build diversity in end game PVE because its all about min maxing as much DPS and heals as you can.Its different for PVP you can have these sets and so well but ZOS won't allow that to happen.Most of the other sets you listed no end game PVE player will use because VO and TBS are the best sets for MAX damage. A stambuild in PVP would use Viper sting and Dreug king slayer because you can have diversity their End Game PVE YOU can't get that because you would lose DPS.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

Nobody has mentioned Vicious Death. It's still very much a thing in Cyrodiil.