I've managed to resurrect my Magicka Sorc!!!

Amorpho · August 2016

I was one of them to be absolutely bummed out (if not enraged) at the massive nerf Magicka Sorcs took in the DB patch. That was my main and only char and loved every bit of it so it broke my heart to have to put it to one side to create and then use 4 other chars instead. It was still playable but I felt like I either had to give up on damage for recovery or recovery for damage. In her case, I couldn't use the Lich set on my back bar because I had a destro staff on my front bar. Furthermore the Lich set takes up head, shoulders and staff, which would have made me sacrifice 2 torugs and 1 Kena. But I didn't give up and, after spending quite a bit of gold yesterday, I managed to pull it off: a build that, fully buffed, has about 2k regen and about 3.5k spell damage (and that is without considering the spell damage enchantment proc and an armour with only 1 Kena, 1 heavy chest and 1 medium legs, every single piece infused). I will probably take a screenshot of the stats in Cyrodiil and post it here later today to show you all. Here it is:
- 5 Julianos (3 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy)
- 2 Torugs
- 1 Kena
- 3 Transmutation (2 purple rings and 1 gold necklace) with spell damage enchant
For the life of me I couldn't scrap my Julianos for any other set (such as seducer or magnus), it would just bring my spell damage too low for my liking. Transmutation is what did the trick for me and I am loving it! I also picked Empowered Ward against Hard Ward (that gives me 10% regen bonus, as well as lasting 10 seconds) and Dampen Magic against Harness Magicka. I am not a Vampire.

But maybe my excitement is for nought because you all thought of Transmutation ages ago! Well, good for you, I'm excited anyway!!

Leon119 · August 2016

Replace the 2 torugs and 3 transmutation with amberplasm

Minalan · August 2016

What's your max magicka, and how much are you giving up with this build? Max magicka is a big component of spell damage as well.

Better off would be: (IMO - assuming I HAD to replace arcane willpower)
5 amberplasm (3xjewelry)
5 Julianos
2 vicious death, torugs, or Magnus

incite · August 2016

Gud 4 yuuuu !

Theeeennxxxxxxx !

Amorpho · August 2016

Minalan wrote: »

What's your max magicka, and how much are you giving up with this build? Max magicka is a big component of spell damage as well.

Better off would be: (IMO - assuming I HAD to replace arcane willpower)
5 amberplasm (3xjewelry)
5 Julianos
2 vicious death, torugs, or Magnus

Oh my gosh! Where has this set come out of??? It's amazing! I didn't even know it existed! It would give me more Max Magicka, more Spell Crit and 40 extra points in Magicka Regen. I will definitely need to download the shadow of the hist DLC then, or just spend another ton of gold on rings staves and shoulders. The problem is, these pieces are super ugly!!!

Jsmalls · August 2016

Minalan wrote: »

What's your max magicka, and how much are you giving up with this build? Max magicka is a big component of spell damage as well.

Better off would be: (IMO - assuming I HAD to replace arcane willpower)
5 amberplasm (3xjewelry)
5 Julianos
2 vicious death, torugs, or Magnus

Amberplasm comes in jewellery!? That's awesome.

Vaoh · August 2016

Magicka Sorc still works. So does Magicka DK.

Any class spec can 1vX and survive. However, the effectiveness and ease of survival depends on the player.

If you're a good player then of course you'll kill people just fine. It's just that on another class, you'd simply be more deadly.

Amorpho · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Sorc still works. So does Magicka DK.

Any class spec can 1vX and survive. However, the effectiveness and ease of survival depends on the player.

If you're a good player then of course you'll kill people just fine. It's just that on another class, you'd simply be more deadly.

That is true although it has become much harder to survive and do damage at the same time with a Magicka Sorc and mind, I have been playing it since day one both in PVE and PVP. So why stick to one class that will make you sweat twice as much, if not because you simply love it? Even then, now in PVP I roll either a Magicka Templar or Stam Nightblade and in PVE a Magicka Templar or a Magicka Nightblade. Unfortunately my Sorc has been limited to crafting so far. But with this gear-change I am considering taking him back to Cyrodiil

Vaoh · August 2016

Amorpho wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Sorc still works. So does Magicka DK.

Any class spec can 1vX and survive. However, the effectiveness and ease of survival depends on the player.

If you're a good player then of course you'll kill people just fine. It's just that on another class, you'd simply be more deadly.

That is true although it has become much harder to survive and do damage at the same time with a Magicka Sorc and mind, I have been playing it since day one both in PVE and PVP. So why stick to one class that will make you sweat twice as much, if not because you simply love it? Even then, now in PVP I roll either a Magicka Templar or Stam Nightblade and in PVE a Magicka Templar or a Magicka Nightblade. Unfortunately my Sorc has been limited to crafting so far. But with this gear-change I am considering taking him back to Cyrodiil

Yeah I know. I will always main a Magicka Sorc and sometimes play Stam Sorc/a few other class specs.

Sorcerer is simply my class in ESO. It's the class I love to play most but the flaws in it are glaring right mow. There's a reason the large majority of Sorcs have rerolled since Dark Brotherhood. Other classes offer so much more.

Amorpho · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Magicka Sorc still works. So does Magicka DK.

Any class spec can 1vX and survive. However, the effectiveness and ease of survival depends on the player.

If you're a good player then of course you'll kill people just fine. It's just that on another class, you'd simply be more deadly.

That is true although it has become much harder to survive and do damage at the same time with a Magicka Sorc and mind, I have been playing it since day one both in PVE and PVP. So why stick to one class that will make you sweat twice as much, if not because you simply love it? Even then, now in PVP I roll either a Magicka Templar or Stam Nightblade and in PVE a Magicka Templar or a Magicka Nightblade. Unfortunately my Sorc has been limited to crafting so far. But with this gear-change I am considering taking him back to Cyrodiil

Yeah I know. I will always main a Magicka Sorc and sometimes play Stam Sorc/a few other class specs.

Sorcerer is simply my class in ESO. It's the class I love to play most but the flaws in it are glaring right mow. There's a reason the large majority of Sorcs have rerolled since Dark Brotherhood. Other classes offer so much more.

I know... it's heart-breaking. I hope ZOS will pick up on these stats and realize they have done something fundamentally wrong with that class. It is further proof that when ZOS changes things, it's never progressively...

andreasranasen · August 2016

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

Pretty sure this is PvP. If you go into PvP with low of regen, you will die. A lot.

Draxys · August 2016

Having to sacrifice something on your character?!?!? Oh, the horror!!!

Seriously, that's the way every class and spec needs to be. Right now it's only magicka DK that's actually balanced, with magicka sorcs coming second.

Amorpho · August 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

You're right. My Maigcka pool is what's taking the hit at just over 35k, and my crit is at 38%. But mind, the 3 small armor pieces are still purple and I had no mage-guild skills in front bar and my undaunted mettle is only at 1 of 2. If I had structured enthropy + meteor + bound armament I would easily get to 40k which isn't too bad. In this meta you don't want to pump your shields a lot since they last a lot less.
As far as your build is concerned, if I were to be in a 1v1 with you, you would most certainly die. I would stack my 3 shields (nullifying your 70% crit) until you run out of magicka (which at 800 regen would happen very quickly!) and then quickly kill you. I've taken a screenshot but it hasn't uploaded it on OneDrive. I'll try again later today.

Francescolg · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

There's a reason the large majority of Sorcs have rerolled since Dark Brotherhood. Other classes offer so much more.

Or the contrary could be that case, namely that most sorc players were already other classes which rolled Sorc just because it was imba the first 1,5 years after release. Then, after the latest nurfs to the class, they stopped playing. "So many people quitting the sorcerer class" doesn't mean that all those players have been playing Sorc from day 1, to the contrary I'd say!

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2016

Amberplasm is the go-to PVP set hands down for any Sorc that likes to duel.

andreasranasen · August 2016

Amorpho wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

You're right. My Maigcka pool is what's taking the hit at just over 35k, and my crit is at 38%. But mind, the 3 small armor pieces are still purple and I had no mage-guild skills in front bar and my undaunted mettle is only at 1 of 2. If I had structured enthropy + meteor + bound armament I would easily get to 40k which isn't too bad. In this meta you don't want to pump your shields a lot since they last a lot less.
As far as your build is concerned, if I were to be in a 1v1 with you, you would most certainly die. I would stack my 3 shields (nullifying your 70% crit) until you run out of magicka (which at 800 regen would happen very quickly!) and then quickly kill you. I've taken a screenshot but it hasn't uploaded it on OneDrive. I'll try again later today.

Not really. I can't duel, but in groups my spells hit like a truck. All about the potions and dark conversion to get your magicka up fast and quick.

andreasranasen · August 2016

Amorpho wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

You're right. My Maigcka pool is what's taking the hit at just over 35k, and my crit is at 38%. But mind, the 3 small armor pieces are still purple and I had no mage-guild skills in front bar and my undaunted mettle is only at 1 of 2. If I had structured enthropy + meteor + bound armament I would easily get to 40k which isn't too bad. In this meta you don't want to pump your shields a lot since they last a lot less.
As far as your build is concerned, if I were to be in a 1v1 with you, you would most certainly die. I would stack my 3 shields (nullifying your 70% crit) until you run out of magicka (which at 800 regen would happen very quickly!) and then quickly kill you. I've taken a screenshot but it hasn't uploaded it on OneDrive. I'll try again later today.

Again dark conversion, potions and less cost reduction. Trust me, you're good on the regen.

Amorpho · August 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Something doesn't sound right. You say you have about 3.5k Spellpower + 500 with Kena and 2k regen. My guess is that your Max magicka is in the 30k range which is very low. You can't have it all buddy, gotta sacrifice one of them.

My Spellpower is 4700 proc, weapon damage at 2600, Max magicka at 42k, spell crit 70%, regen at 800. That's all you need lol.

You're right. My Maigcka pool is what's taking the hit at just over 35k, and my crit is at 38%. But mind, the 3 small armor pieces are still purple and I had no mage-guild skills in front bar and my undaunted mettle is only at 1 of 2. If I had structured enthropy + meteor + bound armament I would easily get to 40k which isn't too bad. In this meta you don't want to pump your shields a lot since they last a lot less.
As far as your build is concerned, if I were to be in a 1v1 with you, you would most certainly die. I would stack my 3 shields (nullifying your 70% crit) until you run out of magicka (which at 800 regen would happen very quickly!) and then quickly kill you. I've taken a screenshot but it hasn't uploaded it on OneDrive. I'll try again later today.

Not really. I can't duel, but in groups my spells hit like a truck. All about the potions and dark conversion to get your magicka up fast and quick.

If by "group" play you mean blasting away on enemy players engaged by your teammates while you're at safe distance, I agree

I've killed many times hit in the back by 2 power overloads while engaging someone else. If you were in a small group or 1v1 or 1vx you wouldn't even have the time to use dark conversion. That skill is great in pve and to refill during a quiet moment in PVP, but it is absolutely useless in the heat of battle in PVP...

Amorpho · August 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Amberplasm is the go-to PVP set hands down for any Sorc that likes to duel.

That set is definitely on my wish list!

andreasranasen · August 2016

Amorpho wrote: »

If by "group" play you mean blasting away on enemy players engaged by your teammates while you're at safe distance, I agree I've killed many times hit in the back by 2 power overloads while engaging someone else. If you were in a small group or 1v1 or 1vx you wouldn't even have the time to use dark conversion. That skill is great in pve and to refill during a quiet moment in PVP, but it is absolutely useless in the heat of battle in PVP...

Well after the nerf of shields, being safe at a distance is the way to go. I do very well in PvP for a mag sorc, always in the top 5 each week. I rather have massive power and a little struggle with regen than decent power and great regen. If ur at a keep defending you always have time to use dark conversion, as long as you keep popping stam potions

wouldn't recommend it to new players though. I've been rolling my sorc, my sorc only since launch.

Check it out:

https://youtu.be/xNJcvGOCVjU

Dracane · August 2016

Using a setup that almost all Sorc DDs use, can hardly be called a resurrection.
It's not only about gear and stats. You can have awesome stats and can still suck.

It's about the Sorc abilities and how they work. And they need buffs and adjustments.