When people advertise their DPS...

one_eye · August 2016

I often see DPS players, when looking for groups, advertise their DPS. So something like "30k DPS LFG..."

I play as a DPS and use the AUI addon which shows your DPS (damage per second), your total damage dealt during the fight, and the length of the fight, so I have a good idea of what kind of damage I'm doing (assuming, of course, the numbers are somewhat accurate).

But how are players arriving at whatever number they're advertising? The damage you do per second is completely relative. Depending on the enemy itself, the number of enemies, how long the fight lasts - all these things factor into your actual DPS. Sometimes I do 9k, sometimes I do 38K.

Are they just using an average?

Totalitarian · August 2016

I'm not sure. But yes, you have a point. DPS varies, and becomes a function, so you can find your DPS for any specific point in time with calculus, similarly find total damage dealt.

And because DPS varies with the number of mobs, and AOE, it can be misleading. I could probably hit 90k DPS on my healer, but I'd have to let you know it was with Meteor + Blazing Spears on a big group of enemies.

Also, just because you can hit 30k DPS does not mean much. Just because you can get 30k DPS on the Blood Spawn test does not mean you'll do that. For example, try doing 30k DPS on Lord Warden Dusk as he flies around everywhere and teleports. Also DPS != mechanics. If you get good DPS, but die every time to Lord Warden Dusk portals, your effective DPS is basically 500.

Generally, mechanics > DPS. The dead don't contribute to DPS...unless you're using Vicious Death in PVP lol. Also, that '30k' number is idealized. If you manage to get 30k DPS in vMA with anything other than overload-spam Sorcerer, you're going to be a god in terms of dungeons.

Make sure to ask where they get that number from

Autolycus · August 2016

They are most likely advertising their self-buffed Blood Spawn dps test. They could also be using their metrics from the Atronach in AA. There are few (if any) other viable means of measuring dps in manner that is accurately indicative of what will be pulled in a trial setting, at least historically speaking. Blood Spawn, however, is approaching its end of usefulness as a test imho, since the duration of a Blood Spawn test is approaching ~30sec. for the top end. I should note that testing against most dungeon bosses, or something in the open world, is not a very good test, because most of the enemies in this context do not have comparable resistances to that of a trial boss and do not survive long enough to constitute a valid measure.

Nestor · August 2016

I tend to avoid those who advertise their DPS when looking for a group. If that is what they are advertising, then that may be all they care about. Of course some people will only group with someone who does advertise a high DPS rate, but that is the same thing, only in reverse.

All I need to know is what Role your going to perform in the dungeon group.

one_eye · August 2016

Autolycus wrote: »

They are most likely advertising their self-buffed Blood Spawn dps test.

Good info, thanks. I wondered if that's what it could be.

SirAndy · August 2016

There's a huge difference in my dps numbers depending on:

- When running in a group, fully buffed by my own and group buffs, while someone else holds aggro on the boss and i hack away.

- When running solo with only my own buffs, hacking away on the boss while dodging, blocking and running circles to avoid red.

To me, the latter is the much more important number because that's what i can sustain by myself.

kylewwefan · August 2016

Ask how many times Maxxus the Many teleports on them....

Nadar · August 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

There's a huge difference in my dps numbers depending on:

- When running in a group, fully buffed by my own and group buffs, while someone else holds aggro on the boss and i hack away.

- When running solo with only my own buffs, hacking away on the boss while dodging, blocking and running circles to avoid red.

To me, the latter is the much more important number because that's what i can sustain by myself.

^^this^^

Personally I avoid picking up anyone that feels the need to advertise their DPS in an LFG as well as joining anyone putting a DPS requirement (or CP requirement) on an LFM for anything other than the DLC dungeons. For the base vet dungeons, if someone feels that DPS or CP level is that critical, I would likely be the one carrying them - which I don't mind except it is also likely they'd have a bad attitude that I don't care to put up with in a pug group.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

Better call yourself a DD before Champ sees this post .

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2016

I just gotta say ..... Ok want a cookie then ? Like really who cares your dps and that guy is a healer world spins on....

It's just like those dps players who have to post their dps after every SINGLE FIGHT IN A DUNGEON..... That's just annoying and clutters chat. We get it " your better than every one else ".

one_eye · August 2016

I don't advertise anything buy my role when I'm looking for groups. But I can understand why some DPS players do.

I can recall many times where I've been trying to group for pledges and dungeons, and players have specifically asked me about damage stats. I tend to just avoid those situations because there's no clear answer, and I just don't want to get into it.

Reverb · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I just gotta say ..... Ok want a cookie then ? Like really who cares your dps and that guy is a healer world spins on....

It's just like those dps players who have to post their dps after every SINGLE FIGHT IN A DUNGEON..... That's just annoying and clutters chat. We get it " your better than every one else ".

Yes! Why do so many people do this?! Nearly every group has someone that will post their stats after every fight. Maybe the bosses I can see, but nobody cares what your dps is against trash mobs! Why would you think anyone cares?!

WuffyCerulei · August 2016

I think it's more so to make people think they're sooo wonderful at DPS, when DPS can range depending on what you're fighting. Fighting a boss, my DPS is lower. Fighting mobs, it's much higher.

Alcast · August 2016

FIrst thing you should ask: On what boss did you get those numbers. Most ppl show dps from Bosses with adds around which will increase your DPS by miles.

So it is important to know on what boss how much DPS is possible. That ofcourse is only possible if you are experience and you know yourself how much you can get there

cavakthestampede · August 2016

Most serious DPS is listing their average DPS on specific fights (Dungeon bosses without major movement mechanics, or trial bosses where they will reliably have full buffs).

Other numbers are just sort of an average otherwise. For example, on dungeon bosses I never do less than 18k (high movement bosses), and as high as 30k (spamweave-spamweave-spamweave-spamweave, buff, spamweave-spamweave-spamweave) so I'll list 18k when generally advertising.

AverageJo3Gam3r · August 2016

365 ghallerhorn LFG for weeklies. Wait, what game is this?

Kammakazi · August 2016

It's because they want to get content done and not wipe on easy trash pulls and bosses.

If you've ever played any other MMO, it's the same way.

NoMoreChillies · August 2016

just wish there was a universal DPS dummy we could all use the same metrics to measure our DPS

Vangy · August 2016

That's precisely why you dont advertise your DPS parse from when u take a rez and then start spamming execute for boss from 25% to 0. Im sure everyone, even the noobiest nub can put out 40k dps on just execute phase. A good benchmark for DPS parse is bloodspawn or mantikora from start to end with no deaths involved. Ie: your meter has been ticking from start of the fight to the end of it.

Also doing 55k-70k on trash packs dosent count.....

Wolfchild07 · August 2016

I wouldn't know what my actual DPS is. I only ever advertise my CP's so I don't join a group and they're going on about "Hur dur, you don't have 531".

Regardless of DPS though, even if it's high, the group can still fail.

Reverb · August 2016

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Regardless of DPS though, even if it's high, the group can still fail.

It's much less likely though. There almost nothing in ESO that can't be overcome with really good dps. A group of 4 strong dps will clear all 4-man content much more efficiently than 2 dps a healer and a tank. Really, only groups without great dps need heals or tanks.

kadar · August 2016

Is this a "give us a DPS test dummy" thread?!

If so, I agree.

BohnT · August 2016

Reverb wrote: »

. There almost nothing in ESO that can't be overcome with really good dps. A group of 4 strong dps will clear all 4-man content much more efficiently than 2 dps a healer and a tank. Really, only groups without great dps need heals or tanks.

Good luck trying to beat the new dungeons without a tank an healer. Every mechanic is triggered at certain health amounts so your DPS won't help you very much. Aditionally some bosses require a Tank simply for the fact that the boss oneshots every other role.
No hate just wanted to prove you wrong. But for the other dungeons its really easy to complete them with only 4 dds

Asmael · August 2016

Tell yourself they were so proud of their DPS after AoE-ing down a trash pack that they just HAD to share it.

Also, #BringBackNinglenel

Bromburak · August 2016

one_eye wrote: »

I often see DPS players, when looking for groups, advertise their DPS. So something like "30k DPS LFG..."

Randoms ... You can basically ignore them.

"Hi and Bye" people are leecher, don't waste your time they usually have no discipline for any kind of team play.
If you want to have fun and raid with good people try to build a regular group with friends or guild.

Autolycus · August 2016

BohnT wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

. There almost nothing in ESO that can't be overcome with really good dps. A group of 4 strong dps will clear all 4-man content much more efficiently than 2 dps a healer and a tank. Really, only groups without great dps need heals or tanks.

Good luck trying to beat the new dungeons without a tank an healer. Every mechanic is triggered at certain health amounts so your DPS won't help you very much. Aditionally some bosses require a Tank simply for the fact that the boss oneshots every other role.
No hate just wanted to prove you wrong. But for the other dungeons its really easy to complete them with only 4 dds

Such is the case with any dungeon immediately following its release. We'll be doing the same for this one in a short while, of that I'm quite confident. This was true for vWGT and vIP for quite some time (and is still very true for a large segment of the community), but "we" have been successful in 4-dps runs of these as well. We've already been able to skip some mechanics in these dungeons with high damage too.

Note: I define "we" vaguely, simply as a segment of the community. This is not limited to my guild/friends/etc.

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2016

I generally ignore anyone who says crap like that.

Instead, what you want to say, is "I will pull the highest DPS possible within our group". For example, if the healer doesn't have Spell Power Cure and the tank is not constantly popping warhorns, your DPS is going to be 5-10k lower than usual. Which is why exact numbers are crap. Also, if the group has a novice tank who keeps moving the boss around, your DPS is going to be a few k lower than usual.

AtmaDarkwolf · August 2016

Reverb wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I just gotta say ..... Ok want a cookie then ? Like really who cares your dps and that guy is a healer world spins on....

It's just like those dps players who have to post their dps after every SINGLE FIGHT IN A DUNGEON..... That's just annoying and clutters chat. We get it " your better than every one else ".

Yes! Why do so many people do this?! Nearly every group has someone that will post their stats after every fight. Maybe the bosses I can see, but nobody cares what your dps is against trash mobs! Why would you think anyone cares?!

I have FTC addon, and for the longest freaking time I kept getting 'nice dps' and 'wtf you bragging about that?' (When I was doing spectacular 1k dps lol) or others, and I always thought that somehow they were tracking me. The sad thing is I had some option on in FTC that displayed my dps to party members (but not me) after combat ended.

So it could be the same, (I since turned it off and bound it to a key i never use if anyone actually WANTS to see it) where they simply don't KNOW they are spamming you (Fail on FTC's end considering it spams your group but not you somehow)

Armitas · August 2016

Best advertisement is "X dps, and will rez and move out of bad."

Chelo · August 2016

Sadly a lot of the end game stuff are dps races =S

redspecter23 · August 2016

When I talk about dps numbers within my guild, I use a vet Spindleclutch Bloodspawn test. One tank using only pierce armor and one healer with no outside buffs and using FTC with damage sharing turned on. At least that's what I'd use as a semi official number for any of my dps toons. Other numbers can be useful for relative dps but can be wildly inaccurate especially if you're talking multi target as that's mostly just based on the number of things you hit.

On a related note, when they implement housing, it might be a great time to add training dummies to the game so we can have a standard for dps checks... on second thought, that might be the exact reason ZoS will use for never adding them.